Oh no... women!
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shareThere is feminism done right and feminism done wrong
shareCan you give us many examples of it done right? Because the group that tends to complain about these things seem to hate it all. I can't see them being positive about any female-led movie, unless it's a pornographic one.
shareT1 & T2.
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If we are just keeping to films with sequences that 'men' may seem acceptable
AtomicBlonde
Mad Max Fury Road
Alien
Aliens
Wonder Woman
The majority of Disney's out put since Beauty and the Beast (exceptions being the Lion King and Aladdin and a Lion does not count a 'male') Admit it you've seen Frozen
The Craft
Resident Evil
Kill Bill
Thelma and Louise
Monster
Salt
Gravity
The River Wild
Long Kiss Goodnight
Lucy - not a great story but good film to park your brain
Peppermint
Scream 1&2
Scream 1&2, add all the 80's slashers with a final girl.
Nobody on the planet was complaining when a woman was kicking the crap out of Jason Voorhees and Michael Myers and all the dudes got slaughtered.
Day of the Dead. Strong female lead. Nobody cared she was a woman.
Annihilation.
Where were all the SJWs championing this film? Too cerebral for them. Too busy trolling real Ghostbusters fans calling them sexist. SJWs pretending to champion Ghostbusters 2018 as being a watershed moment in film history because the leads were women.
Where are those die hard 2018 Ghostbusters fans now? You would have thought they would be still chatting away about the film now, but no, they have gone silent, they only used it as a political platform to accuse people of being misogynists because they dared to criticise a film where women took the main stage then dropped it like a hot potato leaving the real Ghostbusters fans to pick up the pieces.
Fact is there are many many examples of a strong female characters loved by the general audience and that includes lots of men, fanboys, nerds
If its a good film which people enjoy and a good character nobody cares what sex they are.
I can't say Annihilation is a great film or not as haven't seen it. Alex Garland films and books are hit and miss for me.
The issue I think a lot of women have with the films with a supposed female lead slasher that 'people' don't complain about...well they are trope tastic and after a while the tropes are a bit boring. Hence why Scream was such a breath of fresh air.
Also it was why Buffy become such a big hit - the blonde cheerleader who is supposed to be victim No1 actually turns round and makes the monsters run. It inverted the tropes that a lot of women in films find themselves outside a 'message movie'.
As for Cameron for all his 'strong' women. Well with the exception of Rose in Titanic they all hit the same trope notes. Women with warrior hearts, who go gooey for something and will fight anyone who comes to hurt them - Ripley, Sarah Connor, Neytri, Brigham. Even that god awful Battle Angel film. Yes I said it was bad, not Nick Cage 'I want those hours of my life back' but it was great outside looking pretty and my take away from it was I hoped Jai Courtney got paid for his cameo in it and any sequel should just focus on the hunter bloke with the mecha dogs.
But that doesn't change the fact that the majority of Cameron written/directed films focus on women who has the defining feature that is basically them having the sort of personality where you can see grabbing an iron bar and beating someone to death with it if push came to shove at the beginning of the film. Which is a kick in the tail from the final girl who gets to scream a lot, is sacrificially vulnerable and then picks up a iron bar to defend herself at the end of it. Cameron's women just have a little more edge on being almost three dimensional.
As for the Ghostbusters mess, well the people who complained I never saw them as 'real' Ghostbusters fans. They were worse than the 'SJW's they were complaining about and the 'SJW's' came out because the supposed real fans were being bullying dicks. Because that was the fight it was a dick measuring contest to excuse the parlance.
Now I'm not saying the reboot was any good - it wasn't. But the film was more than capable of falling flat without the 'real' fans hitting the internet. Hell look at Ghostbusters 2, it was shit and it paid the price for it without the 'real' fans complaining about everything pre the film actually being released. Also the ones that complained the remake ruined their childhood...well if true and they were under 45 then all I can say is they had shitty childhoods with parents who refused to rent or download more recent films and needed help.
But really so what if women are being put into traditionally 'male' type roles. It's different, and it's the marketing that is the problem as the ad department gets there are a lot of women/girls out there who are an untapped market. They just have been so focused on getting young men in seats they have gotten to a point where they don't know how to market to young women properly - sticking Melissa McCarthy in something or a token waif fu warrior when the foyer is selling soda measures that could double as a lake doesn't work to get young women to buy merch.
Because you are right if a movie isn't good (studio fault more than the supposed SJW's) then I won't want to pay. But I get that it is a work in progress that they are trying females out in roles they traditionally didn't do before and so are just breaking out the boxes that were comfy for some audiences. However if I as a female am told that a film is pandering and all the 'fanboys' come out and tell me so - bad film or not I'll part with my cash just to see what the fuss is about and give them the bird. Hell I wasn't fussed about Captain Marvel (personally hate Carol Danvers as a character) but I went to see the film because....well 'f' the bastards and Brie Larson seems like a decent person who seems to be crumbling a lot of hate that seems reserved for politicians who actually deserve it.
Also personally the girl power action shot in Avengers:endgame was just BS! Didn't work outside a marketing shot to minimise the fact that DC made Wonder Woman before the MCU got their shit together to do a Black Widow one. I say that because Captain Marvel is supposed to be the mega hitter of Marvel but unlike Black Panther she is supposed to needed a very photocall tastic starting squad to juice her up to start her run? But that is studio BS not rising to the occasion of actually doing more than lip service.
Now with regards to Terminator - Salvation and Genysis were fucking awful to the point they make rise of the machines look like Lawrence of Arabia.
With this one if the story works in this film and its lead by women so what as you said. I just don't get the BS outrage over this trailer or others like it. Does a trailer threaten some men that much?????
It pretty much all Started with Fury Road and Force Awakens....when it came to the bitching....I personally think those two films didn't right with the female characters.....the marvel films do it all wrong imo....
share"Day of the Dead. Strong female lead. Nobody cared she was a woman."
Yes because the antifeminism has been revived as a modern thing, largely due to tribalist types being riled up by having a racist misogynist in the White House.
>riled up by having a racist misogynist in the White House.
Because of this Hollyweird needs to shove down our throats thats its woman in the power position, inorganically.
We didnt care before because it was done well, now they have to ram it down our throats and it just isnt honest most of the time. Thats where people find a problem with it, because it aint honest.
We have had final girls for decades and cheered for them, we dont need to be told to cheer for the final girl and if we dont we are all woman haters.
Where were all the people back then who now say that women have been held back and are only just being given strong roles?
shareBecause the group that tends to complain about these things seem to hate it all.
Actually this is not true at all.
The problem is rarely that there is a female lead alone. As others have posted here there are a TON of female lead action films that are not hated. So the thing you have to ask is what did Captain Marvel, Ghostbusters 2016 do differently than so many others.
The answer is clear and simple: They made the gender of the lead the only thing that mattered. Brie Larson said this:
“I’m happy to be on the forefront of the normalization of this type of content and to prove once again that representation matters. Diverse storytelling matters, the female experience matters, and these are markers,”
There is not problem with any of this except the use of the term "normalization". Normalization is actually the opposite of what she is doing. Normalization would be to treat female lead as "normal" Which is what the other films do. She wants to draw attention to the female lead when it honestly does not need to be done.
Young girls do not need to be told that THIS IS A MOVIE THAT IS MADE FOR YOU. Doing this is a disservice to them because it presumes that they do not see things unless they are told to see it. I think they would be able to tell that the lead of Captain Marvel was a woman without having Brie Larson shout it out from the rooftops.
Speaking of Ghostbusters 2016 and Captain Marvel, I liked both films to be honest. I bought Ghostbusters and will own Captain Marvel when it becomes available.
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It's never done right in action movies. Feminism considers violence and warfare to be the domain of males. So strong female characters should really take the moral high ground and solve problems with diplomatic and intellectual solutions rather than participating in the vicious cycle of barbaric violence.
shareFeminism seems to want women to look, talk, and act like the traditional "male." Some of these people who seem to dislike the male gender so much, yet they sure try to mimic it.
I don't know why people in Hollywood think to be liked or respected, a female character has to act like a guy to be considered "strong". It actually has the reverse effect a lot of times for me.
I have a hard enough time watching people like Tom Cruise, Keanu Reeves, or Jason Statham in his movies, just beating the hell out of 10 big dude fighters at once. When I see a 4'8", 80lbs woman doing it, it completely takes me out of the movie most times, unless there is some special superpower involved that would allow it to happen.
I'm guessing in 2019 that makes me sexist, but I really don't care. I'm comfortable with the fact that overall I respect women, and ANYONE for that matter, who is a decent human being (respect is earned, not given). I just love how society can't help constantly lumping people into groups instead of looking at people as individuals. Guess what, some women are "strong", and guess what, some women are NOT. Some women are decent human beings, and some are NOT. Some women fall right in line with stereotypes, and some do NOT. Same for men, black people, white people, gay people, etc. Individuals...see how that works? It's not that difficult.
But when it comes to physics, when an 80lbs HUMAN character throws a 250lbs HUMAN character through a wall and beats them to a pulp, regardless of gender, I find it laughable, and the eye rolls will happen.
I also find gender politics to be unbearably annoying, but then again, I find most politics to be unbearably annoying.
Feminism done right = admit that it seeks female superiority at men's expense, and then destroy itself.
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