rank the ENTIRE X-Men cinematic universe! - Deadpool & Wolverine (2024) Discussion

[–] jekporkins (1970) 4 months ago

I'm procrastinating at work so I'll play... I like your ranking btw. It is always interesting to see where people put Last Stand.

MASTERPIECES!!!
1) X2

AMAZING!
2) X-Men: First Class

GOOD FUN!
3) Logan
4) Deadpool & Wolverine
5) X-Men: Days of Future Past
6) Deadpool 2
7) Deadpool

FLAWED, BUT WATCHABLE
8) X-Men: The Last Stand
9) X-Men
10) The Wolverine
11) X-Men Origins: Wolverine

BORING & FORGETTABLE
12) The New Mutants

THE ONLY TWO THAT ARE TRULY AWFUL
13) X-Men: Apocalypse
14) Dark Phoenix

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[–] ReelReviews14 (1220) 4 months ago

It's weird, I remember when it came out in 2006, people really enjoyed The Last Stand and it had a very successful run in theaters. Then it seemed like a few years later, everyone hated it, cursed out Brett Ratner as a "hack", and blamed it for "killing" the X-Men cinematic universe. Then after Days of Future Past came out, people started warming to The Last Stand again, and it had its merits and was now seen as a "middle entry" rather than a franchise ender. Now it seems like people are singing its praises again and see it as a "classic" film, so we've gone full circle.

My opinion on Last Stand is the same as it was in 2006, and hasn't changed in all that time: Messy, but fun. They tried to cram WAY too much content into the movie, and as a result it felt rushed and had an abrupt conclusion. But the content we did get was pretty awesome, they had SO MUCH great fan service in that film, like finally giving us Beast (perfect casting!) and so on. Angel and Kitty Pryde were also great, etc., it's impossible for me to dislike that film.

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[–] jekporkins (1970) 4 months ago

I'm right with you... IMO they shouldn't have done Dark Phoenix in this. It felt tacked on and forced. However, as an action-packed comic book movie it delivers like crazy. It's also got a big rewatchability factor I find lacking in a lot of the others. I guess it's just entertaining.

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[–] ReelReviews14 (1220) 4 months ago

I also find it ironic that Dark Phoenix was made to "fix" the problems of the Phoenix Saga and "do it right", but ended up being WORSE than Last Stand. Reminds me of Man of Steel pledging to correctly do what Superman Returns failed to do, but ending up with a far more divisive response and poor critical reviews.

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[–] jekporkins (1970) 4 months ago

Yep, no idea what they were thinking there. I am old and collected those issues when I was a kid. I know the Dark Phoenix saga almost page by page. I get they can't get that same story down, but it didn't even get close.

The casting of Jean Grey was essential to the movie, and instead the producer grabbed the most popular young redhead around (even though IMO she is a very wooden actress), then tried to force the bigger names in the cast to have equal parts in a movie about her. Top it off with the stars being so over the X-Men movies that they sleep-walked through their parts and you've got a disaster before the thing even comes out. I remember reading Marvel considered just shelving the thing completely then just letting it out to try to recoop whatever they could from it.

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[–] ReelReviews14 (1220) 4 months ago

The dumbest thing was hiring the guy who screwed up the Phoenix Saga in the FIRST place (Simon Kinberg) to "get it right" the second time around on film. Hollywood shouldn't be giving screenwriters mulligans. If they really wanted to "fix" the problems of The Last Stand, they SHOULD have started with a clean slate.

The second problem, as you noted, is the Phoenix Saga source material is an entirely different format than a "one shot" like Days of Future Past. In the comics, the Phoenix Saga was a long storyline that took MONTHS to unfold. The slow moving, detailed events taking place meant there was no way they could do it justice in a 90 min. "stand alone" movie, either in 2006 OR 2019. The X-Men animated series in the 90s realized this and made the whole "Phoenix saga" a 5 part story and 4 part followup, rather than a basic two episode story.

I agree on the third part of your premise: I never liked Sophie Turner as Jean Gray, and she lacked the gravitas that Famke Janssen brought to the role. However, she was the least of the film's problems. Neither Turner nor Janssen was able to successfully sell the audience on the whole "dark phoenix" persona due to script problems.

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[–] ByTheVineyard (544) 4 months ago

MASTERPIECES!!!
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AMAZING!
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GOOD FUN!
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FLAWED, BUT WATCHABLE
1) X-Men: Days of Future Past
2) X-Men United
3) Logan
4) Deadpool & Wolverine (not seen but I guess)
5) X-Men: First Class
6) X-Men
7) Deadpool 2
8) X-Men: The Last Stand
9) Deadpool
10) X-Men: Apocalypse
11) The New Mutants
12) X-Men Origins: Wolverine
13) The Wolverine
14) Dark Phoenix

BORING & FORGETTABLE
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THE ONLY ONE THAT'S TRULY AWFUL
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[–] MyPhoneAccount (235) 4 months ago

I actually agree with this one, but I’d add a few to “boring and forgettable”. Logan is the best film and even that’s not a special film once the R-rating is removed.

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[–] pumpspunk (170) 4 months ago

top tier:
1 days of future past
2 logan

great:
3 x2
4 x-men
5 first class
6 deadpool

pretty good:
7 the last stand
8 deadpool 2
9 deadpool & wolverine

borderline but enough in it to make it worth watching
10 apocalypse
11 dark phoenix
12 the wolverine

pretty much worthless:
13 origins wolverine

haven't seen it, and may not bother:

the new mutants.

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[–] OldG (777) 4 months ago

I think the word masterpiece might be a little to much for any X-Men film... but I do have quite a few in the amazing category.

MASTERPIECES!!!

AMAZING!
1) X2
2) Deadpool
3) Deadpool & Wolverine
4) Logan
5) X-Men: Days of Future Past
6) Deadpool 2
7) X-Men (I know this is probably a bit overrated by me... But I remember seeing it in the cinema and going straight in and watching it again a 2nd time... I was just so excited seeing my beloved X-Men on the big screen. Furthermore it has a quite short runtime, so something just happens all the time... And that Magneto opening scene is just awesome)

GOOD FUN!
8) X-Men: First Class

FLAWED, BUT WATCHABLE
9) X-Men: The Last Stand (It has some entertaining aspects... but just doesn't seem to fit very well with the first two films)
10) The Wolverine (The ending is just bad or else this could have been in the Good Fun category)

BORING & FORGETTABLE
11) X-Men Origins: Wolverine (I had high hopes for this one... but it is just dissapointing)

THE ONLY TWO THAT ARE TRULY AWFUL
12) Dark Phoenix
13) X-Men: Apocalypse (this is really the worst one... even worse than Dark Phoenix)

I haven't seen the 'The New Mutants' so can't rank that one.

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[–] bozo_500 (13104) 4 months ago

Masterpiece
-XMen DOFP - not just the best X movie but one of the best time travel movies ever.
-Logan - I guess you'd have to put it in the masterpiece section but 2nd to DOFP.
-X2 - before DOFP this was the best Xmen easy and like one of the best comic book movies ever

Amazing
-X1 - really got overshadowed by X2 but its still a great movie and beginning of the saga.
-First Class - really great prequel. Fassbender was amazing and should really have been Bond based on this (if Craig had bowed out after Spectre)

Good Fun
-X3 - gotta put it here i think, yeah its a come down in quality from Singers 2 films but still huge deal/epic conclusion, at the time felt almost as mind blowing as D&W!
-D&W - ok its dumb and silly but seeing Jackman back in the role for the entire movie was pretty insane, and those mind blown cameos!! (more like supporting roles really).
-Xmen Apocalypse - ppl always score this low I thought it was pretty good, inferior to DOFP of course but its still Bryan Singer, it has that incredible opening, the return to X2 Alkali Lake/Logan cameo, the villain was quite threatening /scary, and does feel a legit sequel to DOFP.
-XMen Origins - I liked it at the time, felt like a cool prequel to the X trilogy kicking off that awesome summer of 2009 (followed by Star Trek and Terminator). still dont quite get the hate (aside will.i.am and the silly Ma&Pa Kent scene)

Flawed but watchable
-The Wolverine - critics and fans were kind of praising at the time and yeah it did feel bit of a step up quality wise from Origins but imo felt abit dull/unessential (amazing end cameos tho setting up DOFP)
-DP 1/2 - tbh just not a fan of DP and felt both films were just ridiculous (DP3 is abit of a different story tho lol)

The only one truly awful
-Dark Phoenix -yeah this was bad, Kinberg proved himself a total hack undeserving of helming the Xmen saga finale/Endgame and buried the franchise (until D&W!), going out on a truly awful entry. better to have ended on XM:A which had great end scene,(why do a 4th anyway? the OG Xmen only had 3 films, as did Wolverine and now DP!)

Not seen New Mutants

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[–] AndyKing1967 (38068) 4 months ago

1. Logan
2. X-Men: Days of Future Past
3. Deadpool
4. X-Men: First Class
5. Deadpool 2
6. X-Men: Apocalypse
7. X-Men United
8. X-Men
9. X-Men: The Last Stand
10. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
11. The Wolverine
12. Dark Phoenix
13. New Mutants

Deadpool & Wolverine - Not seen yet.

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[–] bozo_500 (13104) 4 months ago

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/best-x-men-movies/

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[–] GreenGoblinsOck8 (7699) 4 months ago

Masterpieces
X-Men
X2
X-Men First Class
Days of future past
Logan

I refuse to do the 2nd category
Good fun
Deadpool 1-3
X-Men Apocalypse (I know I'm in the minority on that)
The New Mutants

Boring and Forgettable
The Wolverine

Absolutely awful
X-Men The Last Stand
Wolverine Origins
X-Men Dark Phoenix though I haven't seen it but looked up info and know I'd hate it for making the Shiar all evil.

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[–] OldG (777) 4 months ago

I am a bit surprised about the love X-Men: Apocalypse is getting... I felt so dissapionted after watching it... and haven't watched it again in ages...

Maybe I should give it a re-watch... maybe my expectations was just to high the first time.

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