Sure it's a decent nice lovey feel-good movie, but best picture? Give me a break. It won because Hollywood likes to stick it to the conservatives and give the award to Mexicans who are currently being treated poorly under the Trump lead government.
Look how many Mexicans have won it last few years, rightly so for some of them, but for this? What a joke.
How original. I know I will be wasting my damn time responding to this but let’s go.
I guess that’s why The Shape of Water also managed to win the Golden Lion at the Vince Film festival. You know, before it was awarded with so many other awards. Point is, a large number of people found Del Toro’s film to be beautiful and masterfully crafted.
Every year the best picture winner is always argued against (hilarious how so many conservatives who can’t stand Hollywood and their supposed self-congratulatory awards come into these discussions pretending like they care about what should have won instead), but when a very non-conservative film like this wins, naturally individuals like yourself will bring up with the tired “PC liberal Hollywood” argument. THREE Mexican directors won in the last five years? My goodness... this is too much! Hollywood liberals are trying to erase the hundreds of white directors that have won every other time from history. Even if this film hadn’t been directed by a “minority”, right-wingers would still criticize the amount of praise it received for it being too liberal. Any excuse to whine about an industry you alt-righters hate. Cry me a river!
A film like Dunkirk was indeed great, but to use the arguments you use against The Shape of Water, obviously it’s no wonder your crowd would have awarded Nolan’s film best picture. It’s more “clean” for you compare to Del Toro’s work. And if TSOW did win for the reasons you and plenty of others claim, then I say... SO FUCKING WHAT!!!
For an industry that’s supposedly so liberal, underpresentation is in fact still an ongoing problem. The majority of talent in Hollywood is speaking out and demanding people of all backgrounds to have bigger and better roles, but the more old-fashioned crowd sees this progress as a threat and tries to undermine it with anti-liberal rhetoric. Yet, youse guys have no issue and are loving what this current administration and world-class hateful clown running this country are doing with all the messages they are spreading and schemes they cook up. (All of which are the complete opposite of “big bad” Hollywood). They’re as right-wing and powerful as it gets, and unlike Hollywood, they put laws into effect that mostly screw the powerless. So that in mind, it’s GOOD on Hollywood’s part to try to send infinitely more positive messages out there.
I'm not even conservative, I'm from another country entirely so don't make assumptions you know nothing about. The Academy Awards is no longer about the movies but making stupid predictable political jokes about Trump and then giving all the minorities their 5 minutes in the sun, it's a Liberal circlejerk, especially with that sickening Jimmy Kimmel hosting it every year now, bring back Gervais, at least he was funny.
The agenda and narrative has become so obvious it's just boring and frustrating to movie lovers like myself. Last years highlight was when the wrong movie got ran out, and look what won - Moonlight, obviously won because Jada Smith kicked up a fuss about not enough blacks getting nominated and winning etc, blah blah.
Dracula is a SJW troll who lurks just to attack anyone who does think highly of PC crap from Hollywood. Notice how he turns the argument to Darth Trump for no reason except to show how deranged he is.
Fish Movie one of Del Toro's worse. Can't be Sci Fi because it's unbelievable. Will be remembered as hilarious B movies in the future that somehow got an Oscar for best pic!
I think you're spot on. This movie had no business being nominated. 2017 was the worst year of movies EVER. Sure, set design and cinematography were worthy. That's it. Friggin horrible.
share100% the truth
shareI really don't have any side in this argument, but I think it's funny that you're telling someone not to make assumptions after you claimed a movie only won Best Picture because the director is Mexican. Ricky Gervais also never hosted the Oscars.
It's a Hollywood awards show which means every year it's going to be predominantly liberal. It's best not to get too invested because that's not going to change.
Dunkirk should've won, it was clearly the most competently made film out of the bunch, but I guess it didn't tick all the right diversity boxes.
shareThat's just a really fucked up thing to say man.
shareThat's not my opinion, the fact it lacked a diverse cast was the result of discussion during its release and probably impacted its performance with Oscar voters. From a film goers perspective, Dunkirk was one of the most cinematic experiences I've had at the theatre for years.
https://www.screengeek.net/2017/07/25/dunkirk-criticized-lack-gender-racial-diversity/
It's more than that. There was a #metoo moment in the movie, when the evil creepy Shannon character inexplicably "hits on" the mute woman. I knew right then and there it was going to be best picture. The film hits all the right notes: men are awful, white men are awful, women are oppressed, women are powerful and courageous, all women are beautiful, minorities are oppressed, minorities are powerful and courageous, gay people are oppressed, and on, and on.
Strip away the politics and look at the film objectively and you have a rather clunky superhero-romance film. Nothing is particularly unique. Supporting characters are cartoonish. Film has little depth to it. I rate it a generous 6/10 and it didn't come close to cracking my top 10 list of the year, let alone best picture.
So yes, it only won because of politics.
“The film hits all the right notes: men are awful, white men are awful, women are oppressed, women are powerful and courageous, all women are beautiful, minorities are oppressed, minorities are powerful and courageous, gay people are oppressed, and on, and on.”
Yep. The film is an intersectionality lovers (pardon the pun) wet dream.
I write scripts for a living. It’s my job. I depend on it to put food on the table. And it’s crazy — not to mention disturbing — the degree to which the SJW playbook has made inroads into ALL genres of storytelling. It is now affecting the types of stories I’m able to tell and (just as importantly) HOW I am able to tell them.
When. Will the madness. End???
filmklassik Breath of fresh air for people to actually realize this, and not defending the stupidity. Hoping these 'awards' organizations start losing credibility.
shareyou are right
shareGoddamn Mexicans stealing all the jobs from us American directors!
shareI was surprised at this too. I would have thought by this time the wall would have built so that Mexicans are kept out. Does the president even twitter about this? Must be some stormy weather at the White House preventing them from Trump-grab this opportunity.
shareWell maybe every single conservative/non-liberal in the USA should move to California to fix how far left Hollywood/LA is, then.
Seems legit, right?
Listen, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it's really fucked to bring up race in such a shitty, rude, disrespectful way .saying somebody won something because they are Mexican in a public post like that is really shitty and classless . Just so you know
shareNothing classless about it if it's true, although I think the SJW themes were much more important.
shareTrue.
But also because Del Toro is fa... I'm sorry - a plus size.
Alfonso Cuaron and Inarritu won their Oscars before Trump came along
And as average and bland as this movie was, it was still infinitely better than the supposed runner-up Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri. So I'm glad this won just so that that other abortion didn't.