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Bombing hard on a 200 million budget!


Current stats from box office mojo:

DOMESTIC (48.9%)
$42,035,063

INTERNATIONAL (51.1%)
$44,000,000

WORLDWIDE
$86,035,063

What I take from this (besides it doing poorly) is the percentages between domestic and foreign. International audiences aren't that interested in a storyline about Native Americans.

Looking at Oppenheimer, a storyline that involves the whole world (as a nuclear war would), the spread is DOMESTIC (34.2%) and INTERNATIONAL (65.8%), so the international audience was really interested in that movie.

So based on the 2.5 X budget rule to get into what is known as 'profit territory', this needs to make 500 million dollars.

It won't come close. At this rate, it will be lucky to finish around 120 million - 150 million box office (assuming it has legs.)

If they spent 400+ million (production budget plus marketing budget) that will be a big loss.

I haven't seen it but was put off by:

1) unappealing trailer/subject matter
2) unattractive looking Leo (he looked terrible)
3) long runtime of 3h 26m (that's 26 longer than Oppenheimer)
4) weird title








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I haven't seen it also (not really the sort of cinema film I go to, will probably watch it on TV) but I am guessing flower moon is the name of a person (eg, Dances with Wolves) and it's about people who...try to get them or her

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Flower Moon refers to a full Moon in May.

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EPIC bomb!!!!!!!! Audience attendance has dropped 60-70% from the embarrassing opening weekend, word of mouth is terrible on this one. Ignore the excuses Scorsese fans make, this film is actively being avoided at the movie theatre.

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My brother asked me to go, I said 'No, sorry, the trailer looked terrible.'

He saw it and said that it was just okay, too long though.

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The one trailer I saw didn’t interest me but I saw the film at the IMAX and thought it was very good.

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Sorry, this bomb can't compete with the big boys. Back to my "F-Troop" marathon.

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At the end of the day, none of this matters to Apple because this movie was designed specifically for Apple's Streaming Services which is why it has the long runing time it does so moviegoers can relax and pause the movie as they go along.. They should've just made it into a Mini-series

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It's a big investment for apple. I know they're rich but spending hundreds of millions to have a movie on their streaming service doesn't seem like good business.

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Possibly not. But whether it proves to be a wise investment or not won't be determined by the box office.

Personally, I hope it does prove to be good business -- irrespective of the merits of the film -- because otherwise we're reaching a point when mega-budget films aimed solely at adults are effectively a thing of the past.

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It is a long term investment towards gearing goodwill for their streaming service.

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Commercial success is based on consumer satisfaction. “Goodwill” doesn’t have squat for making money. I LOVE Apple, and I will never watch this bloatfest.

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Like RedLetterMedia said about Scorsese’s previous film, The Irishman, films like these don’t have a chance with modern theater going audiences and rely on streaming where more people are willing to watch a film like this.

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Marty isn't a draw anymore and he needs streaming companies like Netflix and Apple to fund his overbudgeted flicks which is kind of funny because he's such a major champion of the theatre going experience and is so concerned about the future of cinema.

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And Netflix shut their wallet to him after the disastrous box office of the Irishman. Scorsese then finessed Apple and hogged 200 million to make 1 movie when Apple could've spent that on 10-20 indie films and given others a chance to express themselves.

Scorsese: Why is nobody else making CINEMA ART masterpieces the way I am? Does no one care about CINEMA ART as much as I do??

Also Scorsese: *turns around* I need 200 million dollars mINIMUM for my ARTWORK

The artwork: over 3 hours of DiCaprio making this face ---> :(

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Get woke, go broke.

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The story isn't compelling the leading lady is ugly and that's that you can't do anything about it ...

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