[deleted] - Get Out (2017) Discussion

[–] mat (20) 7 years ago

This is very bad for this movie. It's gonna get hated. Because obviously it didn't deserve the nomination. Don't get me wrong, I liked it. But 2017 was a really good year in movies. And Get Out definitely was not among the best (where's Florida Project? I, Tonya? Blade Runner? Even Disaster Artist deserved it more (and definitely Franco deserved it more than Kaluuya...)

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

It kinda feels like apples to oranges comparing Franco and Kaluuya's performances but I think they're both worthy of a nod. Particularly during the hypnotism scene, Kaluuya nailed it in my opinion.

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[–] mat (20) 7 years ago

You could say that about any performances (@apples and oranges)

Both movies felt more like comedies to me. And both actors played serious roles in those comedies (as much as you can play Wiseau seriously, that is :D ).

You say Kaluuya nailed the scene in which he was hypnotized.
Franco nailed the whole character. He really WAS Tommy in Disaster Artist. Throughout the whole movie.

I'd like to again point out I actually liked 'Get Out' and Kaluuya. I just feel sorry for the others who were IMHO even better.

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[–] kuku (3510) 7 years ago

Yeap, leaving BR2049 to technical awards is unspeakable. And James Franco deserved to be nominated as actor.

But hey, if Villeneuve or Franco wanted a nomination, they should have taken hormones and changed their gender! What are they expecting? To win an Oscar in 2018 being white males?

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[–] marecek (122) 7 years ago

Well, the winner was a white male - and not transgendered as far as I know, but do keep spreading your paranoid nonsense.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

It was honestly my favorite film of last year so I'm really glad for the nomination. Having said that I'm surprised for a couple reasons. First, horror movies rarely receive nominations for best picture and second his friend Rod was definitely an over the top character that seems unfitting for an Oscar nominated film. But no complaints from me on this.

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[–] kuku (3510) 7 years ago

People just try to prove the world that they're not racist, so they push forward whatever looks like less racist, which is "Get Out" this year.

The problem is that is a never-ending and dangerous road. People get used quickly to that, and start to consider it as an acquired and essential right. The day you say "well, that was enough, time to go forward by your own merits", they burn down the city, because you're taking from them something that is theirs, or so they think.

Funny times to come ^_^

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

I don't buy the argument that this is nominated merely to prove they're not racist (not saying that has never happened, just don't buy it on this one). This film was critically acclaimed and was loved by critics and audiences alike. If they still only had 5 best picture nominations this may not have made the cut, but with 10 pictures nominated this doesn't seem that far fetched. Lady Bird was nominated and personally I thought Get Out was the far better film.

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[–] kuku (3510) 7 years ago

Lady Bird was fulfilling the gender quota. You're comparing among Quota Nominated.

Real Great Movies, like Dunkirk, that's a different league.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

I loved Dunkirk. But go to the Dunkirk board and you'll see plenty of people calling it garbage as well. Different people see things differently and I just disagree with the claim that the only reason this was nominated was to absolve some feeling of white guilt.

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[–] kuku (3510) 7 years ago

Yeap, but don't compare people calling garbage Nolan movies like Dunkirk or Inception with people calling garbage good-but-not-great horror movies like Insidious the Last Key or Get Out.

Different leagues.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Yes, I think it's ridiculous to call Dunkirk garbage but it was a different sort of film (definitely one that took chances with so little dialogue, interesting timeline) so I'm not going to fault someone for simply not liking it or thinking it was as good as I did.

But I also think Get Out is way better than Insidious The Last Key....for me it's not even close. Sometimes certain movies just grab me and that was my experience with Get Out.

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[–] gsmith9072 (454) 7 years ago

Markdown474 It was loved by critics ALSO due to the social themes that make them feel less racist. White people have a fetish for feeling shamed that I find inexplicable. There's nothing other than the themes that make this film stand out. Nothing. Director? Actor? This is garbage. They need to make a category for 'Best Social Themes I Feel Are Important'.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

"Markdown474 It was loved by critics ALSO due to the social themes that make them feel less racist."

Or maybe they just thought it was genuinely a good movie. I thought the directing and acting in the movie were great. It's one of only 2 movies that I've seen at the theater three times and I picked up additional things with each viewing. Different Strokes for different folks but I'm glad it was nominated.

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[–] gsmith9072 (454) 7 years ago

I can assure you, that is NOT the reason. Critics mostly hate horror films. Are you honestly going to try and argue that this one was substantially better than other horrors? Even horrors with great reception, such as The Conjuring, It, and It Follows, would have been laughed out of the room if they tried to get BEST PICTURE, screenplay, or anything. Think about that. The social themes propel this movie, without them it is NOTHING.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Social themes propelling a movie are nothing new and this movie using them brilliantly. Combined with the acting and directing it turned this film into something truly special.

I'm sorry I can't take your assurance seriously because you don't have any further insight to their thought process than I do. I can only speak to my opinion and yes I think it was substantially better than other horrors and last year when I saw it I had told a few friends it was the best horror movie I had seen in years. I enjoyed The Conjuring and It but neither felt like something I hadn't seen before. Get Out was a different experience for me. Again this is only my opinion but I stand by it.

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[–] gsmith9072 (454) 7 years ago

Yes, Oscars love their social themes but nominations don't usually occur with such average movies. You don't need any special 'insight' into the minds of critics, this is all you need to know: If 'Get Out' won Best Picture even you and all the people overrating this film would probably agree that whatever remaining credibility the Oscar's have is permanently shot. I think only then would you realize that the nomination is just a 'statement' nomination and not meant for it to be taken as serious contender. They do that with Pixar's films for screenplay. People are thrilled by film's so-called originality (even if it's just Stepford Wives with racism). The 'experience' of the film just happens to match the climate of the time, perhaps one's position on that (I take a more conservative approach) will also aid in getting this movie overrated.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

We disagree on whether or not this movie is average but that doesn't matter...we are all entitled to our opinions.

I definitely see shades of The Stepford Wives in this movie but it's different enough from that film to stand on it's own.

And being nominated and winning are two different things. With the nominations open to 10 movies I don't find Get Out getting the nod as crazy as you. I will be shocked if it actually wins. I remember back in 1997 when The Full Monty was nominated (and this was back when there were only 5 films nominated) and I was quite shocked. No one thought it had a serious chance against Titanic or L.A. Confidential but it was still nice to see a fun little underdog in the mix like that. I think if you look throughout the years you'll see more of these underdogs than you'd think.

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[–] gsmith9072 (454) 7 years ago

Don't forget screen play, actor, and director. If I would compromise with any category, it would actually be Best Picture, because at least that category doesn't emphasize any technical achievements, but its multiple nominations suggest it is 'high cinema'. Frankly, the satirical elements originate from sketch comedies like MAD TV (where the director comes from). This really did feel like a sketch crossed with the Twilight Zone or Tales from the Crypt.

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[–] TaRaNRoD (1579) 7 years ago

Oh man... Does it make you feel good being so arrogant?? Yes, legitimately speaking, I also thought it was better than most horror films made in the last 20 years or so. There's nothing but the social theme to the movie?? The cinematography is interesting, the acting is excellent, the directing is well executed and honestly yeah, even the script is obviously strong.

I can agree that there were many cliches from the horror genre. The ending was somehow unpredictable, but still didn't quite deliver nor made much effect. Probably that was the weakest point of the movie. It was kinda satisfying, but looked too much like a forced happy ending.

This been said, the way the story was told was really special. You felt that there was something wrong all around the place and yet, also had this little "romantic comedy" vibe around at the same time. I think that they mixed the two genres in a really original and effective way. Because usually black comedies are either too light and funny to be taken seriously (as far as I LOVE those two movies, Dead Alive and Army of Darkness are good examples) , or dark and creepy to a point that you almost forget that it's supposed to be partially a comedy (once again I don't say it as a bad thing because I'm also a huge fan, but Evil Dead 2 is a prime example). Here it's like they fusionned together, and as a result we had a movie that we could take seriously (as far as you take a horror film seriously) and, at the same time, appreciate the comic relief. Maybe it's just me but honestly the funny moments didn't feel out of place or forced. They emerged perfectly into the picture.

There was potential in this movie and assuming that it's once again all about the social theme sounds quite ignorant and pretencious.

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[–] gsmith9072 (454) 7 years ago

It's not an assumption, it's just true. There really is no question in my mind and I don't often say this. I know it's an opinion blah blah blah, but that is the only rational explanation of this overrated decent episode of Goosebumps. People like you seen to think it's great. People who see the movie, think "interesting cinematography", and that's it. It doesn't occur to you that there are probably 100 other movies released with "interesting cinematography", so what makes Get Out so special and Oscar-worthy? It's the social themes. If you don't believe me you can read any review that will confirm what I'm saying. It's the anti-white, self-hating community whom I think misinterpreted this film's intentions but of course the creators are going to roll with it since they are enjoying ridiculous success from this simple popcorn flick. Had this movie had literally any other theme it would be nothing. No 'cinematography' would have excited people to this pathetic extent. Dead Alive and Army of Darkness, gore comedies are hardly black comedies, or at least not the type this thing is. This movie is succeeding because it is a BLACK comedy in today's climate...if you can catch the pun there.

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[–] TaRaNRoD (1579) 7 years ago

Well at the beginning I didn't quite agree... But since it won Best Original screenplay...

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[–] gsmith9072 (454) 7 years ago

Yeah it won because it happened to have the right social theme that impresses a certain crowd. Hopefully the Oscars have destroyed what is left of their credibility.

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[–] TaRaNRoD (1579) 7 years ago

Yeah it's like... It just didn't feel like a carefully thought decision. Honestly imo the nomination itself was the reward... The screenplay is not bad but it certainly isn't oscar level.

It was obviously more about the social theme than the quality of the script itself. I felt like their thinking process was like: "well, this movie talks about racism, how to show that we at the oscars are good guys and are sensitive when it comes to racism".

Plus, it was the worst Oscars i've ever watched. It was SO boring. There was absolutely nothing entertaining and the winners were honestly questionable in most cases. And btw, they've been loosing their credibility for a while now.

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[–] gsmith9072 (454) 7 years ago

Exactly, don't bother to watch that stuff next year, don't be a masochist.

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[–] exatera (3953) 7 years ago

I mean... it was an entertaining enough movie... but an Oscar nomination??...

I find it HORRIFYING that this was nominated. It's like if Jeepers Creepers got nominated for an Oscar.

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[–] modica (4169) 7 years ago

If it wasn't for the ending(the last 20 minutes or so) then I would say that it should have been nominated. Unfortunately, the ending ruined the entire movie for me and I feel that it shouldn't have been nominated. It was to graphic and violent and just doesn't fit the rest of the movie. For me, it seems like there was another ending to this movie and the studio did not like it so they did a reshoot and this is what we got.

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[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 7 years ago

Decent horror film, I enjoyed it, did I think it would be worthy of an Oscar for film or director? Not in a month of Sundays!

But I guess it'll keep Will Smith's wife happy. 🙄

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[–] Renovatio (2990) 7 years ago

It's a good horror comedy (could have been better with the alternate ending), but not worthy of a best picture nomination... But considering that there are 10 nominations for best film now, I'm not surprised... especially that the movie captured the zeitgeist with the media (social & regular) blowing it's social commentary relevance WAY out of proportion...

I mean, even it's inclusion as a comedy in the Golden Globes made the director upset and had a few internet articles about it, so it's been in the news...

But this is the point of having 10 best picture nominations instead of 5... To get more popular, commercial and mainstream movies included... Remember the hissyfit fanboys made over Nolan's batman movies?

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[–] TaRaNRoD (1579) 7 years ago

"Remember the hissyfit fanboys made over Nolan's batman movies?"

Oh yeah... I forgot that episode, now I remember. It was SO fucking childish and ridiculous. Boo-hoo, your movie wasn't nominated for an awards even though it received 8 other nominations. What does it fucking change to your life. Your life was following a course before the oscars announced their nominees, and I can guarantee you that no matter if your movie is nominated or not, it will keep following this course. And honestly is it just me or does this kinda show some insecurities. Like, you don't need a trophy because you've been a great employee and content yourself with having your co-workers who show recognition. Without the trophy or with it, you did a good job. Same here, award or not, it is still the same good movie that you appreciated the first time you've seen it. Add to that Oscars work pretty much like beauty contests nowadays. The more successful and praised you are, the bigger are your chances to get there. Of course they always randomly throw a few unpopupal and unexpected titles and names here and there. However, judging by how many deserving movies are ignored and the amount of shit that make the final list of contenders, I think it's obvious how this all works.

So do you really need your movie to be approved by this association to feel better about yourself? If so we talk about some serious lack of self esteem.

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[–] brux (14724) 7 years ago

Not a best picture in any way.
Kind of an exploitation movie in reverse.
Pretty silly.

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