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Why is holocaust a big deal?


I think this is 1000000th movie based on holocaust. I don't understand what's the big deal?

Since the origin of the human civilization, there has been millions (if not trillions) of holocausts, mass genocides of certain group of people/race/religion. Then why is it that the Jewish holocaust *beep* has to be continued till the end of time?

Not so in distant past, there has been armenian genocide, native american genocide, mongol rampage, muslim invasion throughout asia, bengal genocide and
satan knows how many. Not so in distant past. In recorded time.

But Jewish holocaust is just most important of them all. May I ask why? Cuz they are jews? LOL. I don't hate jews but overly emphasizing the holocaust is just bitter in the long run. It's not like only Jews are considered as human beings.

People fight, people fight, people kill each other and people forget. It's a fact of life and we should accept the fact and move on.



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Babuandbabu, my friend, you have to understand, these Ashkenazi Jews, only see themselves as another race who should have everything to themselves.
So as they are rumbled, the anti semites card is played.

From what I notice over the years, too many Europeans, go quiet like a mice, when these lot make noise.

If people really wants to know the facts of this hoax, go and investigate the work
of David Cole, who's Jewish. He had to change his name to David Stein, because of death threats by the Jewish cabal.
We as people, do have a choice, to break free from this BIG lie once and for all.

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Babuandbabu, my friend, you have to understand, these Ashkenazi Jews, only see themselves as another race who should have everything to themselves.
So as they are rumbled, the anti semites card is played.

It takes a special kind of stoopid to follow a slander of Jews with "and then they play the anti-semitism card" as if you hadn't just given an enormous anti-Semitic belch yourself.

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Get over yourself. I'm going to set you a task. I am willing to donate £1,000 to any jewish charity of your choosing if you can provide me with....

Any forensic evidence for not six million, not 3 million but any jew being gassed by zyclonB in a homicidal Nazi gas chamber.

I want forensic proof of one jew being gassed.

One.

Regards
Me.

P.S For such an immense genocidal mass murder program to have happened and basically left no forensic evidence is mind boggling.

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Get over yourself.

Says the man who wants to appoint himself as a one-man panel to determine whether the Holocaust happened.
I'm going to set you a task.

Now would be an excellent time for you to go fork yourself. By the way, here's a documentary starring a leading Holocaust denier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxiv3CBMS4M

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Six gazillion gas chamber victims and not a single bit of forensic evidence to prove it. Do you know how difficult it is to dispose of a body. Do you know how tough modern crematoriums find it to dispose of a single corpse considering we are up to 80% water.

Still waiting for the forensics. Six million. One piece of evidence. I challenge you.

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Six gazillion gas chamber victims and not a single bit of forensic evidence to prove it.

You haven't got the slightest idea what you're talking about, do you. You're doing nothing but re-blabbing the same old denier blabbing points long, long ago shown to be crap. And you're looking like quite an idiot doing it.
Still waiting for the forensics.

Go fork yourself. Better yet, go educate yourself. But if that doesn't work, you can always go back to forking yourself.

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Seven months of constant Denial movie posts. How curious. That first Ayn Rand post. Is that supposed to fool us you're not a tel aviv basket case paid by the hour.

Not much of a profession dude is it lol.

Still waiting on that forensic. Chequebook itching to get written. Come on you're a jew so you must love the idea of screwing another goy

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Oh yawn. The "yore a pade agent of Tel-Aviv" crap. Is that really the best you can come up with? And if so, is it maybe traceable to trace elements in the groundwater in your county?

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You're a jewbot.

And into ignore you go. Scratch a Holocaust denier, find an anti-Semite.

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Zort, it's even more obvious what Kid's motivation is when you do a cursory examination of his posting history.

He's a huge fan of Mel Gibson (surprised?) and this little gem of his actually comes from a thread on one of Mel's films in which he is defending his "right" to be a bigot:

The essential truth is this. The terms racism, liberalism, feminism, marxism, socialism etc etc. They're all created to destroy morality. It is the aim of zionism to destroy all that is good in society. That includes family, nation and the cultural identity of nations. These terms are all zionistic in origin. They hate christianity above all religions as detailed in the jewish book the talmud which is what zionists hold above all other religious tomes including the old testament. They view having sex with children under 11 as perfectly natural. As we progress into the zionistic luciferian hellhole you will see an attempt to make paedophilia lawful. Gay marriage is but a step on the road. As the Christian church implodes over gay marriage the zionists will try to take full advantage and push for acceptance of paedophilia. They will do this with the full support of the psychiatric profession.

Purely in terms of the 'racism.' Races will always by nature try to gain dominance of their own so multiculturalism (another zionist invention) is doomed to failure, destruction and slaughter. As soon as economic conditions have reached their destination (yes the zionists want the world to implode so they can ferment race wars) all hell will break loose and all by design. Nations and continets should retain their racial hegemony. If that happened racism would not be an issue. Trading partners fine
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He checks off all the classic boxes - the Kevin MacDonald faux-academic explanations of Zionism as some form of cultural racism, the nonsensical claims about Jewish ritual and the Talmud, along with a tinge of that oh so British branch of Fascism founded by Oswald Mosley.

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Well, again, this is the great Jekyll-Hyde problem of the Holocaust denial movement. They've been trying for fifty years now to reshape their public image, portraying themselves as high-minded scholars and intellects, trying to distance themselves from their well-documented origins as crap anti-Semitic wackadoodles. But they've failed to get any traction on it, because there are too many Kid Charlemagnes in the movement who can't restrain their raw anti-Semitic nature.

The movement's oh-so-carefully constructed mask always slips, and it inevitably does so because it's trying to appeal to the very people -- the Kid Charlemagnes -- who guarantee their failure.

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Yep I stand by all of that and hear this.

It's going mainstream. Peeps are waking up and when it gets past that overton window...

Oh my.

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Wow dig the dumb Christian zionist....

You are aware it's jews pushing the multicult on all white nations aren't you. They have literally created this monster.

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The Great Jew Behold!!!!!!!!!!!!......NOT!!!

As previous post on this thread has said, show me the evidence, and I'll write you a check.
(1). There has been academic research done on the soil, to show if there were any disturbance and there was none. Videos you will find on youtube.
(2) It was the allies and the soviet union that built the gas chambers to frame Germany.

(3) How could a so called gas chamber has a door with glass windows?, figure it out.
(4) Why wont the authorities allow researchers to take samples of the blue stuff from the walls for analysing. NOT allowed.
(5) The Nazi needed a workforce to build weapons, that why there were labour camps.
(6) Those who suppose to have died in the camps, died of diseases being spread throughout the place, that is why Zyklon B, were used to kill of the infections. I must say, even hospitals back then had to use it.
(7) Adolf Hitler and many soldiers/ officers were in part jewish or full jew.

My IMDB friend, there was a Holocaust, 60+ millions people who were civilians and those who fought in the war, you ashkenazi zionist just forget that part of history.

One more thing, It was the jews that killed more people under the Soviet Union, then Nazi Germany.
Lenin,(Jew) killed 60+ million, Stalin, (Jew) killed 120+ millions and many more. Who were the communist leaders.........JEWS

CASE CLOSED.


If Jews were so nice and innocent, why do we have Rothchilds, Rockefellers, George Soros, etc etc, bringing havoc on this planet?

ISRAEL, another holocaust. Genocide on the Palestinian people with the REAL iew's from Black Africa.

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@Big_AL-96, I'm glad you find it funny. Are you still connected to The Matrix?

Thinking about these things, folks like yourself are too scared to ask real hard facts regarding the suppose Holocaust and what you and others fail to realize, the population of the world, are waking up to fact that this sob story is heading down the toilet.

No longer, people will not be afraid to investigate this and determine, it was a mass fraud. Even you are cannot bring yourself that 60+ millions who lost their precious lives on all sides.
Do not make out that the 60+ million lives are not worth anything. Who has benefited most, still this day?... you already know the answer.

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If I were you I'd crawl away now. Your first post was so full of nonsense you're really not someone I can take seriously. A sandwich short of a picnic is a saying we use here.

There's always a certain comic element of the Emperor's New Clothes when Holocaust deniers try to look rational. They're oh so convinced the facts are on their side -- until they actually have to look at the facts. Then you see comedy gold.

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Lol what I find funny, is that let's just say these "deniers" miraculously happen to be right that not one person "was gassed to death for no reason" (which is an absolutely ridiculous claim at that), or that the number is "greatly exaggerated".

What the F do they think happened at these camps anyway?!?! Lol I mean in their fantasy world, they make it seem like these camps were awesome places to live, nothing evil ever happened there, and people could just come and go as they please. Which even they know couldn't be further from the truth.

Obviously trying to rationalize logic with an irrational and illogical people, is a pointless endeavor. But it just seems like a pointless argument. Even if the Holocaust was "greatly exaggerated"... the amount of evil that still happened at those camps should never be defended in any way, shape, or form... unless, ya know, you're a complete racist douche...

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It's obvious you don't much like Jews, or you wouldn't be so darned angry about recognition of mass murder. The holocaust is covered in more movies than other genocides for several reasons:
- it happened in the last 100 years
- it is thoroughly documented
- it was based on systematic promotion of an idiology that was bigoted and was accepted by many millions of people who either actively participated in the killing or will willing accomplices; and
- people involved lived into the modern filmmaking era and some lived in the US and Europe, where people identified enough with the victims to care (unlike you).

Your statements that we should move on and that it's a fact of life are ridiculous reductions of a horrific and heinous crime to an everyday nuisance. Mass murder based on ideologies of hate are never a mere nuisance and not something we should get over. We need to confront them and prevent them from happening.

My real name is Jeff

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But it never happened.

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There's no business like Shoah business.

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In fact most of the people writing and lecturing about the holocaust do not make any money from that - it often costs them money to do it, but they do it anyway. And to claim that it is immoral to try to educate people about the holocaust is ridiculous, as there is a lot of false information being disseminated that needs to be exposed and refuted by the facts.

If you are opposed to the facts being revealed and discussed, what does that make you? I think you know what you are.

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Paradoxically, until the rise of the internet, it was the Holocaust deniers who were in it for the money. David Irving's infamous failure to do due diligence on Leuchter's fatuous Auschwitz report had a simple reason behind it: he wanted to sell copies of it to his minions. Cole made his stupid "documentary" because he wanted to sell copies on VHS cassette. And so on.

But with the coming of the internet, the bottom dropped out of Holocaust denial as a potential money maker -- why pay for what you can get free?

And that's why there haven't been any major new figures in the movement for almost twenty years: there's no money in it anymore.

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Were hymies turned into soap lampshades and shrunken heads??

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Were hymies turned into soap lampshades and shrunken heads??


Are you ever going to grow up and offer something reasonably intelligent?

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Oh, no kidding, he's calling Jews "hymies"?

Every time he does, it's just more evidence of the fundamentally anti-Semitic nature of the Holocaust denial movement.

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Can you answer. It is a perfectly valid question.

So I repeat. Were jews turned into shrunken heads, soap and lampshades as the lolohoax industry has been claiming for decades so much it has entered the public consciousness as fact. Did it happen.

Also Nuremberg trials claim there was a cage with a bear and a cage with an eagle where recalcitrant jews were placed.

Nuremberg also claimed there were homicidal steam rooms. Also jew witnesses to the lolohoax claim jew blood would literally fountain out of the ground. Did this happen?

Also at Treblinka where the Germans dug up hundreds of thousands of buried jews and set fire to them in huge funeral pyres. Where is the ground penetrating radar images to prove ground disturbance? I'll let you into a little non secret. There isn't any. Obviously is this happened with modern technology it would be piss easy to prove. But you can't. Because Treblinka was a transit camp as numerous videos of jews that stopped there prove.

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Your post above reads like a typical denier website - full of claims that are simply false.

There were household items made of the skin of Jewish people, as a matter of fact, but mostly the bodies were cremated, then the remains buried. And there is evidence of ground disturbance at the sites of the camps - even though the Nazis tried very hard to cover up and destroy the evidence of the genocide. Studies done as late as the 1970's found remnants of the poison gas in the soil. Portions of the crematoria remain today, even though the Nazis tried to destroy those structures.

The transcripts of the Nuremberg trials, and some of the documentary evidence, are available through links on the Library of Congress website. Anyone with a shred of decency and integrity can find the evidence for the mass murders there, as well as in many published books documenting the genocide in detail, with citations to primary sources. These books are available in libraries and at retail sites such as Amazon.com.

So, instead of repeating nonsense you find on anti-Jewish websites, why don't you look at peer-reviewed research and reporting by scholars and interviews of the people who were actually there during the time of the genocide? If you don't look at reliable sources, that speaks to your own character and denial of reality - not to the truth of the holocaust.

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What???

Where are the household items made from jews? Where?

Where is evidence of mass ground disturbance at treblinka?

Where are the scientific studies proving zyclonb in soil?

There were crematoria. Yes there were. Dead inmates were cremated in there.

LMAO

Are you even a sentient being?

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Where are the household items made from jews? Where?


The U.S. Senate investigation Report on the holocaust concluded that human skin was tanned at one camp, at least, and witnesses (including U.S. soldiers) said they saw items made from human skin obtained at camps.

Where is evidence of mass ground disturbance at treblinka?


See, e.g., Treblinka: Revealing the Hidden Graves of the Holocaust, BBC Magazine, January 23, 2012.

Where are the scientific studies proving zyclonb in soil?


Naturally, gas dissipates very rapidly in soil, as elsewhere, so finding no trace now doesn't mean there was no trace of the gas in the soil decades ago, immediately after it was used. Nevertheless, there have been several soil studies done in the last several decades showing remnants of the gas in the soil. One such study was done by Jean-Claude Pressac in an effort to disprove that the gassings took place. At the end of his study, Pressac changed his mind - concluding that the evidence that mass gassings took place is irrefutable.

More recently, between 2010 and 2012 a team of British scientists using GPS technology and other scientific techniques uncovered plenty of new evidence that the Treblinka camp was a mass killing center. That is of course added to the eyewitness accounts of camp survivors, guards, and administrators that are a matter of public record, as well as all of the photos and film, and the records mentioning the gassings. They even found remnants of the holes in the chambers used to deposit the gas - holes which were shown not to be caused by the demolition of the site by Nazis trying to hide the evidence from the investigators.

The Institute of Forensic Research in Krakow did a study of Auschwitz-Birkenau using forensics that clearly showed that poison gas was used there on a massive scale, even though the Nazis had dismantled the gas chambers and crematoria, and tried to cover up the evidence. The remains of the chemicals used in the gas were still in the soil in large amounts.

The Nazis went to great lengths to destroy the buildings used in the genocide, but some portions of the crematoria remain. One door to a gas chamber that still exists is discolored blue from the reaction of iron in the door to the gas.

There were crematoria. Yes there were. Dead inmates were cremated in there.


There are thousands of pages of documents, created by the Nazis and their accomplices, and the eyewitness testimony of many people showing that live people were gassed at the camps. There are also many photographs and videos. All were authenticated by people familiar with the camps. Lying about this evidence now is either delusional, bigoted, or both.

LMAO

Are you even a sentient being?


I am a sentient being, yes. I also have feelings and a good understanding of morality and history. I can't say the same for you.


My real name is Jeff

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Poppycock!, who believes the BBC....the great house of lies and mass propaganda.

As Adolf Hitler, who is half Jewish on his mother's side said, "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed"

If you think that the allies are saints, they are not. Them and the Soviet Union , went out to great length to destroy Germany. To this day, documents from the war, is still classified.

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Poppycock!, who believes the BBC....the great house of lies and mass propaganda.


The BBC is more credible than you - because they gave their sources in the article. You did not. The reason you didn't give your sources is that they are not reliable and their claims are not based on primary sources.

As Adolf Hitler, who is half Jewish on his mother's side said, "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed"

If you think that the allies are saints, they are not. Them and the Soviet Union , went out to great length to destroy Germany. To this day, documents from the war, is still classified.


None of the above has any bearing on whether there is evidence to prove that the genocide took place. There is plenty of evidence, however, easily accessible to honest people willing to look at it. For example the following four sources are available at the Library of Congress website, and you can open the links to the documents and see the evidence for yourself:

Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg (Official Proceedings);

Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression (documentary evidence);

Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals Under Control Council Law No. 10 (condensed record of proceedings); and

Final Report to the Secretary of the Army on the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials Under Control Council Law No. 10.

https://www.loc.gov

A source of shorthand notes from a court reporter at the trials -available at libraries worldwide:

Gallagher, Charles J., Nuremberg Trial Collection, 1945-1950.



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*beep* and supposition and unsupported unverified claims.

Regarding Treblinka there's a documentary film detailing how the archaeological dig there was absolute cobblers. The stupid bitch tart found a tile with a star of David and claimed it was evidence of the gas chamber. It was later proven to be the makers mark of a local tilemaker. They couldn't find any evidence of graves at the main sight so dug near a local cemetery and extrapolated that to mean it was evidence of jew bones. She even started crying when she found a jaw bone. It was one of the most hilariously slanted unscientific pieces of *beep* I have ever seen.

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Why don't you tell us the source of this documentary, and how it would refute the millions of pages of primary source documents , interviews of people who witnessed the murders, and independent investigations done over the years? There's a whole industry devoted to holocaust denial now - they continue to sell hate and lies, but have never disproved the fact that the genocide occurred.

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Lol@ primary source documents. Here's the doc.

https://youtu.be/NRjgUU30OJQ

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That documentary is the product of a professional holocaust denier organization known well for its ridiculous, bigoted stereotypes of Jews. Those stereotypes, and its ridiculous arguments against believing the holocaust occurred, are prevalent throughout the video.

For example, the video claims, without any evidence, that human remains found at the Treblinka 2 camp were "most likely placed there by Jews." No evidence to back up this accusation is offered - just as no evidence to back up any claims in the video is offered.

In addition, the video is full of silly arguments a child would know better than to make. One man is shown in Treblinka, waving his arms around at the landscape, saying that there is no evidence of human graves visible now. Of course not! A more amateurish, ridiculous propaganda video could not have been produced.

It's a shame that there are so many people supporting the denier industry. There are many people who make arguments, such as your argument above, that one woman's story proved to be wrong - so the entire holocaust never happened. How stupid and bigoted can one be? Apparently, very stupid, and very bigoted.

Well, that's why it is necessary to have war crimes trials and to preserve evidence for future generations - because there will always be stupid and vicious people who will produce an endless barrage of internet postings and videos on YouTube that offer ridiculous, unsupported arguments that the atrocities never occurred. This will continue to be done in the face of all of the reliable evidence collected from the primary sources you laugh at. In the interest of respect for the lives lost and the suffering of the victims, the truth (and reliable evidence) will continue to be spoken and preserved for posterity.

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LMAO. It shows jews scattering the remains of their Israeli cremated relatives all over the top soil you retard. Lol.

Oh you are funny.

Where are the 800,000 old bean and where is the archaeological data that shows those 800,000 jews were dug up out of the ground. I literally want you now to provide me with a link revealing a massive pit was dug on the site of the camp.

I'll wait patiently. If you fail to provide it in your next message you better not darken this board again pal.

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First, you are showing your ignorance, and your hate, again. Calling me childish names does not change the facts. The facts are that the victims of the mass exterminations in the camps were either cremated en masse or buried in a way that their bodies deteriorated rapidly in the soil - so you would not find bodies in the ground, or even whole bones, later. Even with that reality, fragments of bones from many different bodies were found and recorded at the camp locations. Evidence of all of that forensic evidence is published - but of course you would not have read the actual evidence.

You seem to have no knowledge of the actual forensic evidence presented at the trials and in reports and books produced by scholars and real researchers with no agenda, so that people like you would not succeed in erasing history through nonsense.

As I've said before, you can look at some of the evidence presented at the Nuremberg trials youself, online - see the Library of Congress website for links to the documents:

www.loc.gov

But people like you don't look at real evidence compiled and analyzed by people qualified in forensic science, and you don't read interviews of people who were actually at the scenes of the murders. You don't look at the real evidence because it contradicts your nonsense videos and books and online blogs produced by professional holocaust deniers and other bigots. These videos are so simple-minded and obviously unscientific that they would be a sad joke if not for their intent - to promote hate and a lack of respect for the dead victims of people like you.

As for your threats that I not "darken this board" - your threats are as empty and dumb as the information you peddle as fact on these boards.

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Huuuuugggeee fail.

I asked for ground penetrating evidence of the huge pit where 800,000 Jews were buried at Treblinka. Have you any idea how large that pit would have to be. With modern tech it would show up. You do realise I'm just butchering you don't you.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html

The 1999 survey of Treblinka found no ground disturbance over the whole site. It was a proper survey with ground penetrating radar. It was scientific. It was looking for evidence....forensic evidence.

This obviously left the Jews in a massive quandry so they sent this worthless bent tart sturdy colls and a film crew to fabricate. She found a couple of bones and started crying. She found some Ashes on the top soil and extrapolated that they were from the pyres even though it's well known that Jews travel from Israel and America with their cremated mummy and daddy to dump them there all the time.

She found a tile with a star of David and claimed it was evidence of a gas chamber based on zero evidence at all, it later transpiring it was simply the makers mark of a local Polish tile maker.

All throughout the dig she's walking round with the local rabbi.

It was a hatchet job. She was sent there not as a scientist but simply to find any evidence to confirm a theory.

She failed miserably just as you have.

I asked you to provide me with evidence of ground disturbance that would indicate probably the biggest mass grave in the history of the world. A mass grave that would have meant the soil of the entire area would have been turned over.

There is no evidence because it doesn't exist. Treblinka was a transit camp. When the Jews came up with their *beep* story they had no idea future technology could verify or destroy their claim simply by surveying the sight with radar.

I know this is tough for you and I feel your feels but as I stated if you couldn't back this one up you should leave the board.

I expect to receive your resignation forthwith.

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Really TKid, your should try for once to make your point without your childish, derogatory name-calling and puns. Calling a lady a "worthless bent tart" is quite pathetic and doesn't do what little credibility you have any favors. Is that how you treat women you don't like in real life?

If Treblinka really was just a transit camp then there would be numerous accounts from the tens if not hundreds of thousands of people who were moved through it, and survived the war.

Yet there are no such accounts. And don't tell me that they all kept their stories quiet in order to maintain some kind of conspiracy. It's hard of enough for 2 people to keep a secret let alone thousands.

Feel free to correct me, but from reading your posts over the years. you don't deny the abhorrent practice of rounding up and imprisoning huge numbers of Jewish men and women, including children, elderly, disbaled and the sick, as well as other minority and ethnic groups.

Nor do you deny the huge number of deaths through starvation, over-work and disease.

That in itself is evil even before we get to the mass murders which you so vehemently claim as a hoax and which, funnily enough, fits in with your anti-semitic, white-supremacist agenda.

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Really TKid, your should try for once to make your point without your childish derogatory, name-calling and puns. Calling a lady a "worthless bent tart" is quite pathetic and doesn't do what little credibility you have any favors. Is that how you treat women you don't like in real life?

He's just demonstrating what Holocaust denial is for. It's clearly not for any sort of honest historical inquiry -- these guys demonstrate that anew in every post. But it is a means to spew racist bile. And it couldn't be clearer that's what he's here for.
If Treblinka really was just a transit camp then there would be numerous accounts from the tens if not hundreds of thousands of people who were moved through it, and survived the war.

It also wouldn't have gas chambers and mass graves.
https://web.archive.org/web/20141011194905/http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16657363

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So many words yet nothing to say.

Stop trying to obfuscate. There is no evidence of 800,000 jews being dug up and burned at Treblinka. A huge logistical engineering feat and not a trace left behind.

You can find the remains of iron age settlements but try finding giant pits dug 70 years ago by 'Nazis' and there is no trace.

Now as you obfuscated with your usual verbal vomit I shall repeat the message. I shall repeat till I get a confirmation he will leave the board.


Huuuuugggeee fail.

I asked for ground penetrating evidence of the huge pit where 800,000 Jews were buried at Treblinka. Have you any idea how large that pit would have to be. With modern tech it would show up. You do realise I'm just butchering you don't you.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html

The 1999 survey of Treblinka found no ground disturbance over the whole site. It was a proper survey with ground penetrating radar. It was scientific. It was looking for evidence....forensic evidence.

This obviously left the Jews in a massive quandry so they sent this worthless bent tart sturdy colls and a film crew to fabricate. She found a couple of bones and started crying. She found some Ashes on the top soil and extrapolated that they were from the pyres even though it's well known that Jews travel from Israel and America with their cremated mummy and daddy to dump them there all the time.

She found a tile with a star of David and claimed it was evidence of a gas chamber based on zero evidence at all, it later transpiring it was simply the makers mark of a local Polish tile maker.

All throughout the dig she's walking round with the local rabbi.

It was a hatchet job. She was sent there not as a scientist but simply to find any evidence to confirm a theory.

She failed miserably just as you have.

I asked you to provide me with evidence of ground disturbance that would indicate probably the biggest mass grave in the history of the world. A mass grave that would have meant the soil of the entire area would have been turned over.

There is no evidence because it doesn't exist. Treblinka was a transit camp. When the Jews came up with their *beep* story they had no idea future technology could verify or destroy their claim simply by surveying the sight with radar.

I know this is tough for you and I feel your feels but as I stated if you couldn't back this one up you should leave the board.

I expect to receive your resignation forthwith.

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Stop trying to obfuscate. There is no evidence of 800,000 jews being dug up and burned at Treblinka. A huge logistical engineering feat and not a trace left behind.

You can find the remains of iron age settlements but try finding giant pits dug 70 years ago by 'Nazis' and there is no trace.

Now as you obfuscated with your usual verbal vomit I shall repeat the message. I shall repeat till I get a confirmation he will leave the board.


Huuuuugggeee fail.

I asked for ground penetrating evidence of the huge pit where 800,000 Jews were buried at Treblinka. Have you any idea how large that pit would have to be. With modern tech it would show up. You do realise I'm just butchering you don't you.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html

The 1999 survey of Treblinka found no ground disturbance over the whole site. It was a proper survey with ground penetrating radar. It was scientific. It was looking for evidence....forensic evidence.



I'm going to respond to you only one more time, as it is obviously a waste of my time to try to suggest to a person as biased as yourself that you examine facts from reliable sources rather than point to amateurish, doctored videos from the IHR, which is dedicated to holocaust denial and promoting hatred of Jewish people.

Between 700,000 and 900,000 Jews and approximately 2,000 Roma were murdered at Treblinka between 1942 and 1943. There were six gas chambers at Treblinka. Treblinka, like the other killing centers, was located in a rural area to disguise it as a transport center, but the trainloads of Jews and other prisoners sent there never left the camp.

Your statement that I claimed that the Nazis buried people, then dug them up and burned them is a blatant lie - I never claimed that. The method of killing was gassing, then cremating the bodies afterward. They did not bury the bodies whole in most cases. Very little except a few bone fragments would have been left over for burial. Many bone fragments have been found on site, but most were left where they were buried out of respect for the dead and a lack of resources.

Your claim that the Nazis would have buried 800,000 victims (whole bodies - again, ignoring that the bodies were cremated) in one mass pit is also ridiculous. You have provided no evidence to support any of your claims - just doctored, ridiculous IHR videos with people waving their arms around and saying, "Where is the evidence of mass graves?" Of course the Nazis didn't provide graves for their victims - that is also a matter of record many times over.

But it does no good to offer evidence and reason to someone like you who refuses to look at facts and evidence provided by qualified researchers, trial transcripts, and witnesses who were actually there. You will believe only what you want to believe, which is why any further discussion with you is pointless and degrading to us both.

Sources of facts listed in this post include, but are not limited to:

Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg (Official Proceedings);

Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression (documentary evidence);

Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals Under Control Council Law No. 10 (condensed record of proceedings); and

Final Report to the Secretary of the Army on the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials Under Control Council Law No. 10.

The four documents listed above are available at: https://www.loc.gov

Hilberg, Raul, The Destruction of the European Jews, 1961
Hilberg, Raul, Perpetrators, Victims, Bystanders, 1993.
Gilbert, Martin, The Holocaust, 1985
Hochstadt, Steve, Sources of the Holocaust, 2004 Edition
Dawidowicz, Lucy S., The War Against the Jews, 1986
Bergen, Doris, War and Genocide: A Concise History of the Holocaust, 3rd Edition, 2016


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Cremated then the remains buried.

Why. I thought cremated Jews left no remains but ashes. That's the Auschwitz story anyway. Why did they only have to bury parts of jews at Treblinka? Again you damn yourself.

There is no evidence for crematoria at Treblinka. There is no forensic evidence. There is no photographic evidence just as there is no evidence for gas chambers.

You state that the 800,000 jew parts were buried in their own little plots. Where were these plots. The remains of 800,000 body parts in their own little plots were dug up. What is this insanity and where is the evidence. The only ground penetrating radar study of the camps found no evidence for the existance of any mass burial grounds within the camps as alleged by the soviets.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p133_Allen.html

As can be seen by the aerial photographs of the camp it was tiny; 13 hectares. But even if you go according to the diagrams that were used in evidence the burial areas are pitifully small.

In terms of gas chambers Raul Hilberg maintains that there were three at first, but because they were allegedly not adequate for the job, more were built later on. There were eventually six or perhaps ten chambers. Others have reported the existence of 13 gas chambers at Treblinka.

Again the photographic evidence proves this to be a pipedream.

In Shoah, the nine-and-a-half-hour Holocaust film by French Jewish film maker Claude Lanzmann, Abraham Bomba says. He told how he and other Jewish barbers cut the hair of the naked Jews who were about to be gassed. They worked inside "the" gas chamber (he always spoke of one chamber), which was "around four by four meters" (about 12 feet by 12 feet). Bomba also reported that "140 or 150 women," with children, as well as 16 or 17 barbers, were inside this small room. In addition, there were benches where the women sat while their hair was cut, as well as two or more German guards.

The barbers had to leave the chamber for five minutes while the victims were gassed, Bomba said, and it took just one minute to clear out the 140 or so corpses, and clean the floor and walls, before everything was ready for the next batch of victims.

MEGALOLS. You see jews are epic fantasists. They are unbelievable shysters and always have been. Only for the gullible goyim.

Obviously jews died being transported in cattle cars. There would have been burials. Mass ones of even the remains of 800,000 is insane. It doesn't bare up to any scrutiny.

As I posted the jews believe their blood and fat was combustible enough to not require firewood.

Professor Christopher Browning is considered one of the world’s foremost authorities on the WWII concentration camps of Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor, collectively known as the Operation Reinhardt Camps. In his formal statement for the David Irving vs. Deborah Lipstadt and Penguin Books libel trial in London in 2000, Browning admitted that documents relating to mass gassings at these camps are scant. The same holds true for the material evidence (the mass graves and remains of the camps themselves): it is scarce.

Professor Browning put forth his argument as to why human testimony “proves” that the mass extermination of Jews took place at the Operation Reinhardt camps. He admitted that “eyewitness” reports of mass exterminations at Sobibor and other camps are contradictory and somewhat unreliable, but nevertheless, we should believe them anyway. He wrote: “Once again, human testimony is imperfect. The testimonies of both survivors and other witnesses to the events in Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka are no more immune to forgetfulness, error, exaggeration, distortion, and repression than eyewitness accounts of other events in the past. They differ, for instance, on how long each gassing operation took, on the dimensions and capacity of the gas chambers, on the number of undressing barracks, and on the roles of particular individuals. Gerstein, citing Globocnik, claimed the camps used diesel motors, but witnesses who actually serviced the engines in Belzec and Sobibor (Reder and Fuchs) spoke of gasoline engines. Once again, however, without exception all concur on the vital issues at dispute, namely that Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka were death camps whose primary purpose it was to kill in gas chambers through carbon monoxide from engine exhaust, and that the hundreds of thousands of corpses of Jews killed there were first buried and then later cremated.”


So it IS a religion then. We should just take these financially gaining senile shyster jews at their words. Evidence. Who needs it.

Holocaust historian Robert Jan van Pelt also conceded the evidence for the mass killings of Jews at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec—where allegedly millions were murdered—is very meager.

All you have is soviet propaganda and the mad musings of financially benefiting shyster jews.

Just to extend the debate israeli and polish archaeologists at Soribor 'extermination' camp similarly have found nothing.

Israeli and Polish archeologists, whose forensic investigations of Sobibor are ongoing, made this statement: “We regard the extermination process as a past reality, a series of historically established events, which do not need to be proven by archeological excavations. Archaeology, in our case, has the role of supplementing and filling gaps, especially in terms of site layout, structures and artifacts.”

This sums it up. Physical and forensic evidence or lack of is not to be used to back up or dismiss a theory. Damned by their own words. Lolohoax is a false religion with a false God.

Gilead, I.; Haimi, Y.; Mazurek, W., “Excavating Nazi Extermination Centres,” Present Pasts, North America, 110 05 2009, vol. 1, no. 1, 2009. Online: http://presentpasts.info/journal/index.php/pp/article/view/3/7


You have nothing effectively. You're not going to reply again. Good *beep* off you ludicrous white tosser.

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Holocaust denial isn't about research, in the sense of honest understanding of the actual evidence. It's all about finding pretexts -- on bogus YouTube videos and crank antisemitic sites like IHR and CODOH -- to attack Jews. Has been from the beginning, still is now. Kid Jewsong did a great job of demonstrating it.

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I'm taking you up on your claim that Treblinka was a transit camp. That's not obfuscation.

There are no accounts from any of the thousands of would-be survivors who would have been transited through. Your claim is a lie to support your agenda.

I have no agenda. I am not Jewish, I have little to do with Jews but it is clear to me that after much scrutiny, and regardless of method and mechanics, vast numbers of Jews and people from other minority groups were incarcerated in camps and died as a result of malnutrition, maltreatment, disease and murder.

Your agenda is clearly that you consider Jews to be sub-human and non-white, and that their treatment by the Nazis was justified.

You are angry and full of hatred, TKid. I'd be interested to know how you grew up from a child into the person you are (assuming you have fully grown).

I can only hope one day you see that we are all brother and sisters on this pale blue dot and that hatred and intolerance of races different to your own will only hold us back in our attempt to survive, while causing suffering and further hatred.

Step out of the gloom.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47rbRNSGQUs

6.20 onwards. Jews talking about the transit camp Treblinka.

Geezus that was too easy.

By the way here's those evil nazi ground penetrating radar technicians daring to conclude there is no sign of massed graves at Treblinka.

Bloody nazi ground penetrating radar technicians.

How does it feel to be wrong over and over and over again troll ;-)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47rbRNSGQUs

6.20 onwards. Jews talking about the transit camp Treblinka.

Geezus that was too easy.

By the way here's those evil nazi ground penetrating radar technicians daring to conclude there is no sign of massed graves at Treblinka.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wsxmCTScCE

Bloody nazi ground penetrating radar technicians.

How does it feel to be wrong over and over and over again troll ;-)

870,000 jews is 25 million teeth. What happened to the teeth Unayok? LMFAO

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The people in the video describe being moved from Treblinka to other camps, mainly Majdanek. There was no resettlement via the Treblinka "transit camp" as you well know.

Those seven clips are only few edited seconds of the original video testimonies. If your denialist Youtube friend had used the full clips it would reveal a lot more about what happened.

e.g. Linda Penn describes how her father and brother were murdered upon arrival at Treblinka. That is some "transit" for them and the many other murdered by the Nazis.

Your childish point-scoring continues to unimpress.

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I'm taking you up on your claim that Treblinka was a transit camp. That's not obfuscation.

There are no accounts from any of the thousands of would-be survivors who would have been transited through. Your claim is a lie to support your agenda.

I have no agenda. I am not Jewish, I have little to do with Jews but it is clear to me that after much scrutiny, and regardless of method and mechanics, vast numbers of Jews and people from other minority groups were incarcerated in camps and died as a result of malnutrition, maltreatment, disease and murder.


You clearly respect and adjust your thoughts based on reliable evidence. You do that because your agenda is to seek the truth. One such truth is that just a few years ago, new evidence was unearthed at Treblinka of the gas chamber foundations, tiles from the chambers themselves, and mass burial sites, along with human remains.

The agenda of the deniers is to promote hate and deny the facts. If they could, they would initiate the genocide again, and they wouldn't stop until it was complete. They will never admit to facts proven by reliable sources, based on real forensic research. They don't have any regard for the fact that, given the right circumstances, they could be the target of the same kind of bigotry, disinformation campaigns, and genocide as were carried out during the holocaust.

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lmao you tard.

I just destroyed him like I've been destroying you for days.

All of that evidence you just state exists I've been debunking too as you are well aware you.

The tile...
The mass burial sites...
The gas chamber foundations....

lolohoaxed at last.

I just gave him evidence of jews talking about treblinka as a transit camp and the fool has disappeared. He said the interviews didn't exist so I gave them to him directly from the shoah foundation.

I feel like Trump now. It's just continuous winning

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lmao you tard.

I just destroyed him like I've been destroying you for days.

All of that evidence you just state exists I've been debunking too as you are well aware you.

The tile...
The mass burial sites...
The gas chamber foundations....

lolohoaxed at last.



You haven't debunked a single fact I've stated. All you've offered are false statements from websites dedicated to denial of the facts and based on ignorant and/or bigoted assumptions (with no reliable evidence) that no intelligent, unbiased adult would make.

Example: you claim repeatedly that a few statements by a few Jews about being transported somehow invalidates all of the forensic evidence, the documentary evidence, the photographic and video evidence, the diaries, the memoirs, and the testimony of the people involved in carrying out the genocide that proves that millions of people were murdered at the camps. You have completely failed to refute any of that evidence created by the people who were actually there and by forensic experts.

And then, lacking any real evidence to support denial, you resort time and again to childish insults and bigoted statements about Jews, or about my race, etc. You have only embarrassed yourself in your posts - you haven't persuaded anyone that you have anything intelligent or even honest to say. Good luck wallowing in your hate and ignorance with the other deniers.

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So many words yet nothing to say.

Stop trying to obfuscate. There is no evidence of 800,000 jews being dug up and burned at Treblinka. A huge logistical engineering feat and not a trace left behind.

You can find the remains of iron age settlements but try finding giant pits dug 70 years ago by 'Nazis' and there is no trace.

Now as you obfuscated with your usual verbal vomit I shall repeat the message. I shall repeat till I get a confirmation he will leave the board.

By the way you talk of witness testimony. There is footage I believe in Spielbergs shoah documentary. Several of the jews describe the camp as a transit camp. You state that witness testimony is important. John Demjanjuk received a death sentence thanks to being identified as Ivan the terrible. It later transpired thanks to soviet archive releases that he was miss identified. This ivan the terrible was another Ukrainian. Witness testimony is deeply unreliable.


Huuuuugggeee fail.

I asked for ground penetrating evidence of the huge pit where 800,000 Jews were buried at Treblinka. Have you any idea how large that pit would have to be. With modern tech it would show up. You do realise I'm just butchering you don't you.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html

The 1999 survey of Treblinka found no ground disturbance over the whole site. It was a proper survey with ground penetrating radar. It was scientific. It was looking for evidence....forensic evidence.

This obviously left the Jews in a massive quandry so they sent this worthless bent tart sturdy colls and a film crew to fabricate. She found a couple of bones and started crying. She found some Ashes on the top soil and extrapolated that they were from the pyres even though it's well known that Jews travel from Israel and America with their cremated mummy and daddy to dump them there all the time.

She found a tile with a star of David and claimed it was evidence of a gas chamber based on zero evidence at all, it later transpiring it was simply the makers mark of a local Polish tile maker.

All throughout the dig she's walking round with the local rabbi.

It was a hatchet job. She was sent there not as a scientist but simply to find any evidence to confirm a theory.

She failed miserably just as you have.

I asked you to provide me with evidence of ground disturbance that would indicate probably the biggest mass grave in the history of the world. A mass grave that would have meant the soil of the entire area would have been turned over.

There is no evidence because it doesn't exist. Treblinka was a transit camp. When the Jews came up with their *beep* story they had no idea future technology could verify or destroy their claim simply by surveying the sight with radar.

I know this is tough for you and I feel your feels but as I stated if you couldn't back this one up you should leave the board.

I expect to receive your resignation forthwith.

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Rachel Auerbach, "In the Fields of Treblinka," in: A. Donat, ed., Death Camp Treblinka (1979), p. 38.; Similarly, former prisoner Wiernik claimed that "the bodies of women were used for kindling the fires" at Treblinka. J. Wiernik, in: A. Donat, ed., Death Camp Treblinka, p. 170.

According to Polish-Jewish historian Rachel Auerbach, fuel to burn bodies was not needed at Treblinka because "the bodies of woman," which had more fat, "were used to kindle, or more accurately put, to build the fires among the piles of corpses." Even more incredible, "blood, too, was found to be first-class combustion material," she wrote. /60

Ahh so jewish blood and fat has some special combustable nature to the extent firewood was not required.

This is what we have here. Fantasy and fairtales rolled into one.

But let's face it. It doesn't matter if it really happened. All that matters is some jews believe it happened.

Now toggle one obfuscator. How strange you appear. You're an imdb troll aren't you?

Huuuuugggeee fail.

I asked for ground penetrating evidence of the huge pit where 800,000 Jews were buried at Treblinka. Have you any idea how large that pit would have to be. With modern tech it would show up. You do realise I'm just butchering you don't you.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html

The 1999 survey of Treblinka found no ground disturbance over the whole site. It was a proper survey with ground penetrating radar. It was scientific. It was looking for evidence....forensic evidence.

This obviously left the Jews in a massive quandry so they sent this worthless bent tart sturdy colls and a film crew to fabricate. She found a couple of bones and started crying. She found some Ashes on the top soil and extrapolated that they were from the pyres even though it's well known that Jews travel from Israel and America with their cremated mummy and daddy to dump them there all the time.

She found a tile with a star of David and claimed it was evidence of a gas chamber based on zero evidence at all, it later transpiring it was simply the makers mark of a local Polish tile maker.

All throughout the dig she's walking round with the local rabbi.

It was a hatchet job. She was sent there not as a scientist but simply to find any evidence to confirm a theory.

She failed miserably just as you have.

I asked you to provide me with evidence of ground disturbance that would indicate probably the biggest mass grave in the history of the world. A mass grave that would have meant the soil of the entire area would have been turned over.

There is no evidence because it doesn't exist. Treblinka was a transit camp. When the Jews came up with their *beep* story they had no idea future technology could verify or destroy their claim simply by surveying the sight with radar.

I know this is tough for you and I feel your feels but as I stated if you couldn't back this one up you should leave the board.

I expect to receive your resignation forthwith.

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So you goyim will keep having to donate to Israel. Never forget the trillions

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So you goyim will keep having to donate to Israel. Never forget the trillions


Thank you, Mr. Goebbels.

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