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This is why we need feminism


So that men like Edward or Tony won't be considered "weak" because they are sensitive or unwilling to have a dick fight with other toxic hypermasculine alpha dogs.
And "being like a woman" (Do you have a vagina? Are you a pussy?) won't be considered a bad thing.

Thank you Tom Ford. Only a gay man can understand how fragile masculinity is coz he was probably treated similarly by his heterosexual peers

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your post shows how you didin't get the movie... she called him ''weak'' and he told her at the point they were arguing that she was the one running away , that's the only reason he wrote the book to show her that she was the ''weak'' one , Tony and Ed are only portraid as ''weak'' men to deliver this deeper insight.

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Feminists would blame Tony for he and Susan's failed marriage. Most of them are blind and completely unhinged and bigoted man-haters.

The Constitution guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcome.

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I am not sure a feminist would have helped. Unless she had a loaded gun.

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The most feminine people in this film were not Tony/Edward, but the rapists. They're the ultimate feminine types. They act impulsively on their emotional impulses like anger.

Statistically these rapists would have most likely been raised by single mothers (over 70% chance) and would have lacked a strong father figure in the household.

Edward is just a struggling writer. There was nothing in the film to suggest he was really sensitive and weak. It would have made sense if he broke down crying a lot or punched walls in anger or became an alcoholic or something -- the types of things that emasculating men tends to encourage. It would have made sense if he was a manipulative and passive-aggressive type of person in the relationship with insecurities and tendencies towards emotional abuse.

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The most feminine people in this film were not Tony/Edward, but the rapists. They're the ultimate feminine types. They act impulsively on their emotional impulses like anger.

I can't agree with this statement - anger and the desire to rape aren't generally understood to be feminine traits. And neither is impulsiveness - especially in single mothers who can be especially resilient and courageous.
Edward is just a struggling writer. There was nothing in the film to suggest he was really sensitive and weak.

OTOH I do agree with this point. There are a number of lamebrain posters on this board - most notably FartyKat - who yammer on endlessly about Edward being "weak". They watch the scene where Susan dines with her mother, find the woman repulsive, but then parrot her opinion of Edward as if it were fact. If you're not mentally deficient, it's very obvious what Susan's mother meant by "weak" - Edward hadn't inherited sufficient wealth.

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Yes, but couldn't you argue the fact that Tony was so incredibly weak that he couldn't even bring himself to attempt to fight for his family? I mean, after all, they did end up getting raped and murdered.
- and yes, I get that the whole novel is a visualization of Susan reading Edwards book so therefore Tony is a personification of Edward in the past, but you could argue that if Edward had fought for his relationship in a more masculine way instead of letting Susan walk all over him, that things could have been different.

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On the contrary, this is why we need masculism. He should have pulled out a gun and blew all 3 away.

There will always be psychopaths in this world; man and woman. It has nothing to do with patriarchy but it sometimes does take masculine strength to deal with it.

Femininity serves a purpose; and so does masculinity. I don't mean 'man enough to show your emotions', but man enough to break someone's jaw when the situation calls for it, which is what Tony lacked.

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Men don't need feminism.

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The most retarded thread of the year gratz @docstar84 you are crowned CUCK Of the year .

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The most retarded thread of the year . . .

Not really - he made a good point. OTOH your comment . . .

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