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Can any industry insiders tell us why movies suck now?


What the hell is going on?

Why is the writing so terrible?

Why are identity politics shoe-horned into so many movies? There are a lot of intelligent people who haven't drank the NPC Kool-Aid, so is the ultimate goal really money, or social engineering?

Is it nepotism? Is there really a social engineering agenda? Who is running it? Who is pulling those strings? Guys like Weinstein? Or more obscure and powerful people that we've never heard of?

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WTF! Why are you posting that rant on this board?

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why not? because it's yet another remake that they are getting wrong, even if it's looking much better than Feigbusters. If you don't like it, don't read it.

Hollywood is the big time. So it's logically incongruous to me that the writing is mediocre at best.

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You have absolutely no knowledge of this movie. STFU!

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And by the way, I do know something about this movie. By looking at its promotional material, and the context in which it's being made. This always gives at least a fair idea of how it will turn out. "You can only judge it once you see it" is the same argument people were giving before the 2016 Ghostbusters came out and come on, it's retarded. And have some manners

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it is not a remake but a sequel.

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afterlife ?

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huh?

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You always have golden age and bad age for anything so same goes for movies. Style of movies has changed and they become more lazy. Studios also want to play it safe and just remake and rehash shit they know will bring them money. Sjw generation grew up sheltered with no touch to reality and no adversity. No adversity no creativity. Playing it safe means probably a boring movie.

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its actually VERY easy to explain, these dumb movies make money. look at the new star wars, look at all the superhero movies, nobody cares about plots, character development or an interesting story. people have shorter attention spans than ever before a complicated story line might confuse them. just keep it simple put in a bunch of CGI.............and DONE. Then count the cash, everyone is happy, and people will love it and buy all the merch and discuss about baby yodas on message boards like these.

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How does that explain the shoehorned-in wokeness?

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ofc there is a "insert current agenda" woven into it

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It has never been this aggressive

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I’m sure someone has had this opinion about movies going all the way back to the 60s.

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Maybe you've just grown old, and like most other old people, aren't able to adapt to the times and can instead only remember "how great it used to be." In the '80s, the old people complained about how poorly written movies were, and how full of minorities and politics they suddenly were, not like in the good old days. In the '70s, '60s, '50s... you name it, old folks couldn't understand how such bad movies with such obvious political overtones were being made, unlike the good movies from when they were young. And I imagine when the first movies came out, a bunch of old people bitched and moaned then, too, wondering why these new motion picture things were so much worse than the plays and operas of their youth.

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In the '80s, the old people complained about how poorly written movies were, and how full of minorities and politics they suddenly were

I was there and I don't remember hearing anybody complaining about politics in movies back then.

Regarding poorly written movies, there were complains were about usual action B-movies. But those complains were legit: you check Chuck Norris movies, they are awful. But I don't remember people saying, for example, that Back to the Future or Raiders of the Lost Ark or Dead Poets Society were poorly written movies.

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Then you weren't hanging around older people. I heard over and over about how they were pushing liberal politics, nudity to normalize immorality, too many blacks in movies, etc. etc. I remember my parents turning off Dead Poets Society because it was pushing a leftwing agenda, with that awful commie Robin Williams teaching children to question authority. "In our day, children listened to teachers, and liberal, free-spirit teachers like that were fired, and we didn't have teen pregnancy and crime!" And do you remember all the criticism of how poorly written the original Ghostbusters was?

Remember the backlash against Good Morning Vietnam, or The Day After? Or any film that showed Vietnam as anything but a justified war that we would have won in a weekend had we just gone all in rather than pussyfooting about and half-assing it?

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What a lame and dismissive perspective. Batwoman, Watchmen (the TV show), Ghostbusters 2016, and Captain Marvel are four movies/tv shows off the top of my head from the last 5 years that are shockingly poorly-written leftist political agitprop that has the full backing and support of almost all of the modern media juggernaut. Along with countless magazines and media critics/personalities who outright insult anyone who dares to give these things the criticism they so richly deserve. This is a cultural phenomenon that never existed before. Not on this scale.

And then people like you come out with low-key vitriol, like "maybe you're just old," like a tool from Orwell's 1984. Does it offend you that I dare speak against Big Brother's brainwashing?

It wouldn't be half as annoying if these agitprop moves were well-written.

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I haven't seen the first two, but I saw the 2016 Ghostbusters film and Captain Marvel. Neither struck me as even slightly political. What did you find in Captain Marvel that was in any way, shape or form political? How were either agitprop? Same for the Ghostbusters film. It was a comedy with no political overtones that I noticed. What did you perceive as political?

I don't see any attempts at brainwashing going on, and i you disliked Captain Marvel or Ghostbusters, that's your call. Why would that offend me? I liked both films I saw, especially Captain Marvel. I have no political motivation for liking it, nor did I ever get even a tiny sense that there was any Message with a capital M being presented to me when I watched. I saw a great superhero film that was no different from any other Marvel film other than it had a female superhero. If casting a woman in the lead role is a political statement to you, then perhaps we just have a different idea of what the term means.

As for the senile generation, I'm making what I believe to be a valid point. Old people have always condemned the art of the modern era as too permissive/liberal/immoral/you-name-it. Not every old person does this, of course, but as a whole, the older generation has forever been of the opinion that things were better back in their day, and kids these days are going to hell in a handbasket.

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these movies being political or deliberately polarizing, you need that explained to you?

I'm not playing this retarded game with you

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In other words you thought about it for a moment and realized you can't come up with a single scene, line, or moment in Captain Marvel that was remotely political, but are too stubborn to admit you're wrong.

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it is social engineering. the same way u see a bunch of interracial couples in commercials these days

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Internet, streaming + videogames?
Nobody gives a shit about making or watching a good movie anymore?

NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT GOING TO WATCH A MOVIE ANYMORE

I remember when I looked at trailers, I was excited something was gonna come out, other stuff I was like "that's not good enough/I'm not interested in that".
If a movie was good, I'd maybe watch it again or I waited impatiently to rent the vhs/dvd.
Now I watch everything, I can watch it instantly in my giant tv, and most of it is shit. But I am almost never excited to be watching something, and I am certainly never waiting for something to come out.
New Kubrick movie? New sci fi/action coming out? New thriller/cliffhanger? New political drama? I don't think so.
There's NOTHING coming out nowadays, only superhero shitfests that have zero impact on anybody, including pimple ridden fanboys.

If these are the premises, what do you think Hollywood is gonna churn out?

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Yeap, I remember when you didn't want to be late at the movie theater because the first 10 minutes you had trailers, and you didn't want to miss a single one of them.

Not anymore.

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Those were the days!
Now they are instantly old news, since they were out already online.

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Very true

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I'm not sure cinema's age is a factor here, rather it's the way it is enjoyed that is outdated and irrelevant.
Music is way older, but it was doing fine.
Till napster.
I think online distribution killed digitalized media relevance, hence quality.

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ok but recored music is not an artform, music is.
Which started being recorded in the middleages I think.
But last century they reinvented its distribution model and the result was the impact it had on people from the fifties on.

Cinema needs a new model, better than netflix or it will turn into tv.

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Allright that is correct, but it's not what made most recorded music relevant.
It's listening to it as many times as you want that changed everything.
Plus the LP format.

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Nah, that's where videogames or live theatre is going, not cinema.

Cinema is watching a series of images in the order the artist intended them.
There should be no further interaction. No gimmicks. No Dragon's Lair, no different paths nor VR.

Maybe that's why it's losing ground to more interactive forms of art.

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I agree that nobody has a right to say what cinema, or any other artform, should be. I agree that cinema needs to evolve somehow (in its distribution if you ask me).

My opinion is, cinema is not a form of storytelling, that's how it's being used mainly nowadays, it was certainly NOT invented for that reason and its chief intrinsic value is certainly NOT stories, but capturing moving images (hence, documenting a "reality").

The interaction of cinema with the viewer is the same as any other passive art forms, ALL of which expect an audience OTHER than the artist. Otherwise it's just tugging your own dick.

I understand your pov, but having the viewer as a part-creator takes the essence of cinema away (having the director tell you what you are gonna see - cinema is the Lodovico treatment from A Clockwork Orange, not the Matrix). And again, there are other artforms that are doing freedom way better than cinema ever could.
Videogames don't have to be based on reflexes, most of them are quite tame and easy, any old geezer can pick'em up and have fun with them, worse case set them on easy and they are seriously for anybody with opposable thumbs. And some of the best ones have great stories to tell (see the Witcher games: that's deep storytelling, way better storytelling than the tv series).

BTW, nice chatting with you, you have different ideas than me but they are interesting and it's clear that you love cinema.

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Its oversaturation. Back in those days you talk about, how many movies did you watch in a day? a week? A month? Sometimes you wouldnt see nothing new for a whole week. Now i average 5-10 new movies a week.

Would modern audiences settle for going down to supply from back then? I dont think so.

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Not really. Back in "those days" I watched a movie almost every night on tv, and they were all new for me since I was younger and had waaaaaay more to see then than now.
So that's about 5-7 movies a week.
Now I watch 5-10 movies a week like you, couldn't give a shit less about each one.
Now they are way more available, way cheaper to obtain and watch, and they are definitely less memorable, innovative, inspiring, etc. NOTHING IS AMAZING.

Back then a good 30 % of them were GREAT film. Now if I see 3 good movies a year I'd call it a good year.
In reality, back then the creativity bar was so high that that stuff like Predator or Die Hard, which are awesome, were almost regular fare. I mean, they were good, everybody knew they were good, but nobody considered them timeless masterpieces (like they are now) in a sea of crap because, you know what, lots of other lesser movies were also good.
Now everything is blah. Vanilla with some more vanilla on top.

I had some minor anticipation for Ghostbusters afterlife. I heard it was okish. Well, nothing to watch there, other than the final 10 minutes of nostalgia value. And this movie was something I had some interest in.

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So its the investment that counts. People like it more if they have to pay for it? I suppose there is psychology in that. We dont value what we obtain easily.

Also since you were young back then your total movies watched was far less, now you got more to compare to. I noticed that trend with myself, its a lot harder to impress me now than, say, when i first saw Hellraiser.

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Well,

i can talk about my experience: it's about access. Back in the days access was not so easy to movies (specially in socialist country, we mainly had chinese, russian, indian and movies from the east block) but we were watching those as being masterpieces.

I remember when Dallas was on TV and we were gathering at the neighbor with the color TV to watch how Bobby is getting trashed by JR ...

Jaky Chan movies were Oscars for us ...

Hell, we usually paid to illicitly and illegally watch movies Saturdays on VHS translated by a woman speaking over the video. Shitty movies like American Ninja or No surrender No retreat 2 were the perfect movies for a saturday night.
We were lucky when we watched a Van Damme or S Seagal movies. Or Terminator 2, omg.

There was a line of at least 100 people to see this movie in cinema (I'm not exaggerating).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJZRWLCNnDA

now it's just too easy and with too many options.

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