Let It Die: Ghostbusters


https://lebeauleblog.com/2019/01/22/let-it-die-ghostbusters/

When I was growing up, Ghostbusters was a funny movie with state-of-the-art special effects. Somehow in the last thirty-odd years it has become a lightning rod for angry debates and a whole lot of ugliness. If you’d have asked me what my favorite movie was when I was thirteen, I probably would have picked the supernatural comedy. But now I say, it’s time to let Ghostbusters die.

Last week, Jason Reitman (son of Ivan, the director of Ghostbusters and its sequel) announced that he was going to make a follow-up to his dad’s movies. The new movie would ignore the existence of Paul Feig’s controversial remake from two years ago. That movie rankled fanboys by daring to imagine a team of female Ghostbusters.

Say what you will about the remake. I personally thought it was all right. Melissa McCarthy turned in a surprisingly restrained performance which doesn’t generate nearly as many laughs as Bill Murray did in the original. But taken on its own, it wasn’t half bad.

That said, it’s darn near impossible to watch the 2016 Ghostbusters without drawing comparisons to the original. Not only does the new movie hit all of the same story beats as the first movie, the original cast keeps showing up in cameos. Every few minutes, Feig offers up some form of fan service to remind us that this is Ghostbusters we’re watching.

But it almost didn’t matter how good or bad Feig’s Ghostbusters was. An extremely vocal group of fans (I would argue a minority of fans) declared the remake dead on arrival the minute it was announced. They didn’t want new Ghostbusters and they sure as hell didn’t want a bunch of girls.

Retroactively, a lot of these guys will complain that they are being painted unfairly as sexists. But I can’t think of another way to frame that conversation when fans were complaining about a movie that hadn’t even been made yet. And their objections almost always came back to the gender issue.

Most Ghostbusters fans would have preferred a reunion of the original cast instead of a new team. I get that. But that was never going to happen. Despite decades of prodding from Dan Aykroyd and probably every studio executive who could track him down, Bill Murray was a consistent hold-out.

Murray cited the 1989 sequel, Ghostbusters 2, as a reason for his reluctance. And he’s not wrong. I know there are a lot of people out there who grew up loving the second movie, but it’s a very weak copy of the original. Murray does what he can to liven things up, but clearly the magic was gone.

Comedy is hard. You can’t really predict what will be funny until the joke has been told. A lot of the appeal of the original Ghostbusters was the loose, improvisational tone. The movie slows down a lot any time it focuses on the special effects. Watching it today, it’s easy to get bored during some of the laugh-free lulls.

The sequel and remake made the mistake of upping the ante on all that ghost stuff. Big special effects require planning, structure and repetition to get all the visual components right. These things are anathema to comedy. It’s why so few special effects-heavy comedies are actually funny.

For every Ghostbusters or Men in Black, there’s an Evolution (Reitman trying and failing to recapture the Ghostbusters magic again) or RIPD (the less said the better). Or for that matter, there’s Ghostbusters 2 and Men in Black II (I will argue Men in Black 3 is pretty good.) When these movies work, they are little miracles. Sequels and remakes are almost sure to fail.

Hopes for a third movie featuring the original cast officially ended with the passing of co-writer and star, Harold Ramis. Ramis had been working with Dan Aykroyd and Ivan Reitman on a script for a third movie. Murray would only commit if he was killed off at the beginning of the new movie, but Reitman insists the script was shaping up to be very funny.

The 2016 movie, while not great, at least attempted to do something worthwhile by giving some talented comediennes (still underutilized in 2019) a potential franchise and giving young girls (a perpetually under-served demographic) some cinematic role models who could be funny and kick a little ass.

And man, did that make people mad!

Over two years later, I’m still not sure why that is. There’s no doubt that toxic fandom played a big part in sinking Feig’s well-intentioned remake. Fans of the boy Ghostbusters cried loudly that the new movie (not yet filmed) would ruin their childhoods.

This will always be a losing argument. But it’s especially poor when applied to Ghostbusters, a franchise that consisted of one good movie and a really lackluster sequel. But these fans don’t see it that way. I’m generalizing here, but for the most part I believe the following description to be accurate.

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I agree. Ackroyd and Murray are in their late sixties, retirement age.

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The sequel really was a disappointment..I see why Bill Murray was embarrassed and didn't want to do another. Evolution was kinda silly as well. Make a similar movie but don't call it Ghostbusters and have it star Bill Burr, Louie C.K. Kevin Hart and a few other truly funny YOUNG comedians. And don't put much money into it, money ruins comedy!

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Honestly, if they couldn't make a decent sequel thirty-ish years ago when the guys were all young and full of comedic energy, what are the odds they can pull it off now?

Better to put the studio's money into some other ghost-related comedy than the old fellas. I mean there are entire low-budget TV channels that show nothing but ghost shit, obviously there's a market.

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The original was kind of a fluke and if I remember right wasn't the sequel almost the exact same plot line? And maybe the Ghost part of the movies were just 5 percent of the fun/laughter, the real fun was simply the one liners by our intrepid Ghost hunters. There might not be another story to tell because there never was a story to tell in the first place.

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Can only do Ackroyd as a teacher to new Ghostbusters now.

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Meh. People are going to press the whole PC culture for the failure of reboots/prequels/sequels/rehashes/whatever.

I was a child in the 80s. 11 for the original film and 16 for the sequel. The sequel was damn near worthless. I'm even less interested in a reboot. And barely even more interested than that in seeing what's left of the original cast trying to put something out. None of this would bring me back to the theater. I'm not going to say not to make it, I don't have to watch it but the reasons I don't want to see another Ghostbusters has nothing to do with these motivations and more to do with the concept that one was good enough. It was great but you're just not going to be able to bring back what made the first one work.

Maybe doing something new would fair better? Did they ever think of that?

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Oh Lord! That sequel was so awful. I should have asked for my money back!

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Ghostbusters has the potential to be a franchise one adventure after another. To continue the adventures of the original cast naturally they needed a sequel sometime in the 90's otherwise a new movie wouldn't be a traditional sequel.

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2016 and 220 films are in a rock and a hard place fans want the original cast but that's never going to happen.

A new team of characters in a brand can work as seen with Star Trek many times.

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I disagree with 86% of what that OP article stated.

Same old regurgitated bullshit, doing what most people do...try to pass off opinions as facts.

I personally don't think the sequel was "lackluster" at all. I still watch it and laugh my ass off. Yes, some people were sexist about the 2016 version, but a lot of people didn't want a pointless remake of a classic movie that was fine the way it was.

It sucks that out of all the movies in the universe, Ghostbusters had to be the franchise dragged into the endless toxic politics that now drive this nation, and continues to be the constant persuasive argument pieces written by people looking to push one agenda or another.

The politics of all this is destroying the joy of Ghostbusters. It sucks.

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I don't get the hate for 2 either. People had a problem with the all female Ghostbusters because they clearly saw it as a gimmick like doing an all female Die Hard, of course it was a reboot that fans didn't want, even through different versions of things can work there's usually no good reason to remake or reboot.

I can't imagine why Ghostbusters is caught into sjw politics, nobody cares if one Ghostbuster is a woman, would it been more accessible if the team consisted of two men and two women? Maybe if you got different writers. 2016 team failed not because they're women because the original has a very unique has a very unique style that the 2016 movie doesn't come close to and also Bill Murray, Dan Ackroyd and Harold Ramis had a strong on screen chemistry that the female Ghostbusters don't come close to.

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If you ask GB3 is stuck between a rock and a hard place, fans want the entire original cast but that's never going to happen.

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A Ghostbusters movie without Bill Murray was something that the fans, the cast & crew and studios didn't want, wish they made that compromise to get GB3 off the ground years ago, I know the Hellbent script didn't have Venkman and introduced new Ghostbusters.

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Problem with franchise movies is that your up against an expectation that can not be matched. Fans like seeing the same people again and again because if you have good people why not use them but the fact is the same people bring the same expectations.

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