Iron man wanted to keep things as they were. ie he was married and had a kid . So he didn't want to lose them. If not for that they could've had an instantaneous return of all the snapped. Then he died!
Am i wrong?
Yes, you're wrong.
shareWhy?
shareTony didn't want to "keep things as they were", he just didn't know how to undo Thanos' snap after the gems were gone, nobody did. It wasn't until Scott returned from the Quantum Realm 5 years later that they came up with the time travel plan.
shareAnd he only came out of retirement if they were to come back at that time. Not 5 years ago.
shareYou can't change the past, it's already been explained by Tony and Bruce. It's a multiverse time travel, a change in the past will only make a new timeline, it wouldn't affect the original future.
The situation that you described, where a change in the past will affect the original future only happens in a single universe time travel, like the one in "Butterfly Effect" and "About Time". Especially in "About Time" where when he change the past AFTER he had a child, he found that he change the future significantly that he ends up with a different child.
Tony didn't think so. He very specifically told Hulk to bring back the snapped to the current time (that is 5 years after the snap) He said, specifically, that he didn't want to chance negating his marriage and the birth of his daughter. If everyone came back 5 years ago, anything could have happened. Bringing them back 5 years later, everything that happened in that five years , including his marriage and his child, stay in place.
At any rate it was pretty stupid...
shareWhat would have been a "Smart" or better way for the story to have gone? In your own opinion, and how would the story have played out?
shareNot in the messy way that it was done. It was a jumbled mess. I would not have advanced the time 5 years for one...
shareBut what does "not in a messy way" or not as a "jumbled mess" translate to and what would you have wanted to be done differently that would have made the film neater, for lack of a better word?
How would you have done it instead?
Again I would not have advanced the time 5 years.
shareHow would you have determined HOW long the time advancement should have happened? What event could you have forced or determined when to reverse the SNAP or to just have decided move on from those that that were decimated? How would you have avenged those souls or was that not necessary?
I would have done no more than a few months and I would not have used time travel and a plot device unless it was mapped out without all the paradoxes or at the very least the paradoxes fixed by the end of the movie
shareBut why a couple of months what is the reason WHY it should or shouldn't be a couple of months? What is it about the story that determines the length of time.
Other wise it is just an arbitrary contrivance that has no meaning.
The five years passed in A:E because it took that long for an accident to happen that set events in motion.
Because with the 5 years move it opens a whole Pandora's box of potential errors. Especially for the TV series.
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Galactus03, the things you're complaining about are the very things that JUSTIFY the five-year time jump
It would've been way too cliché to have the Avengers completely undo the snap within a short time.
The dramatic reason for "five years" is because it HURTS. That time gap carries consequences. Morgan Stark is one of trillions of newborns (universe-wide) who'd all be undone if they wound back time. People have had time to move on from their lost loved ones. Or worse, they couldn't deal with it and killed themselves, leaving the un-snapped to deal with THAT loss.
It makes the morality of un-snapping a bit more ambiguous (although they were still clearly right to do it). And it ensures that the consequences will be broader, bigger and more severe.
In short, it's way more interesting, narratively, to have them un-snap after five years instead of just winding back time (or not having a time-skip at all).
Lastly, it also raises the interesting possibility that 2018 Thanos actually succeeded.
Yes, his culling was undone. But in five years, intelligent life across the universe got a taste of heightened resources available to lower populations. Maybe they'll be more careful going forward. And that's what Thanos really wanted - the culling was only his means to that end.
Time travel is a very overused trope. It’s unfortunate that they chose to include it.
shareYes it's overused, but I was OK with it for two reasons in particular:
(1) they made it clear you can't change the past, making this story distinct (very nearly unique) among time-travel movies - this means the biggest payoff in nearly every time-travel movie. the un-doing of consequences, isn't available here
(2) it gave the audience a chance to relive the last ten years in a way that's very visual, nostalgic and satisfying
Until "Endgame" ended, I hadn't really appreciated how big a span of my life these films covered. Bond films, like nearly every other franchise out there, stand alone (i.e., aren't deliberately episodic). And while a TV series can easily span that time and longer, the scale of cinema is just ... bigger. And therefore more significant.
I'm looking forward to "Far From Home," but I can't shake the feeling that a big piece of entertainment has, for me at least, come to a close. Having a chance to relive it in an organic, logical way affected me big time.
I agree that it was handled well, despite my misgivings about the concept in general.
shareI agree.
I am not sure what method other than time-travel could they have used to restore the 'past'! This movie could have been Infinity War in reverse if they didn't go for time-travel. In that this time, they go to different places where Thanos had hidden the stones (which means to keep him alive), collect them, Thanos escapes and then have a fight with Thanos again then SNAP and restore. A rerun of IW.
That was pretty much his condition for getting involved wasn't it?
It's pretty funny though because this "hero" would have caused all kinds of heartache / problems by insisting on the five year gap for the returnees. e.g. 15/16 year old young couples - one now a paedo in those relationships; marriages wrecked where one partner now remarried; returnees finding partners / family commited suicide post-snap without them; the initial planetary-wide food crisis, lack of jobs, etc...
Thanks Tony 🤔
Tony said he only help if he could keep his family. If they could've got the people back at the instant they dusted no.one would be the wiser. Apart from all the crashed cars and planes etc.! Also no one has thought about when all these billions of beings all over the universe came back. Where did they come back to? The place they disappeared from???
shareYes is the answer IMHO. I think that's why all the dusted avengers were late to the fight because some had come different planets.
I guess Spiderman-Far from home will answer some questions.
Actually, the opposite is a problem I have with all time travel fiction that seeks to "undo the wrong" - the more time passes, the more unjust that "do-over" becomes. Children are born and loved, only to be erased when time it reset, with no guarantee whatsoever they'll ever be re-born.
This movie is unique in that regard (although the "Sarah Connor Chronicles" series gets close). You can NOT undo the past five years, even if you wanted to. Tony doesn't want to, but it turns out it'd be impossible anyway.
So no, that's not the ONLY reason 5 years passed. There's at least one other VERY important reason: the Russos wanted all the snap-deaths to "count." If time-travel simply places them back at the points of their disappearances, there are no real consequences.
All of you pointing out how awkward it will be for the snapped and their families ... that's the whole POINT. It's NOT supposed to be easy - just preferable to the alternative.
And it's even debatable whether it's actually preferable. They might never have considered "fixing things" if the snap had been caused by a universe-spanning natural disaster, instead of a purple monomaniac who's read too much Malthus.
"This movie is unique in that regard (although the "Sarah Connor Chronicles" series gets close). You can NOT undo the past five years, even if you wanted to. Tony doesn't want to, but it turns out it'd be impossible anyway"
I think changing the past was considered possible w the stones. Before snapping, Tony even made sure Hulk understood to bring people back to the present time, and not to undo the past.
True that - no arguing that Dr. Strange used the time stone to change the past by undoing the damage Dormammu did
Which was apparently the straw that broke Mordo's back
That and the other deviations of "Natural Law" that was happening during the watch of the Ancient One. Poor Benjamin Bratt...
shareNow an interesting question.... is Dormammu to be considered a superior or inferior threat, compared to Thanos?
shareAlso you're at (666) as I am looking at your username lol
shareFun fact: An average of 8 million people fly everyday. Since it was midday when the Thanos battle went down, lets be conservative and say only half a million of those people were in the air during the snap. That means when they were brought back 5 years later, 250,000 or so poor bastards will re-appear thousands of feet in the air. And that is just on earth.
sharePlanes, Trains, and Automobiles!
shareIf we're being that specific, the entire solar system is flying through space. They would reappear in completely empty space where the Earth and solar system was 5 years ago!
shareHahahahaha. There are lot of questions like that which will be swept under the carpet my friend.
Hopefully, Spiderma-Far from home will give us some idea of what happens. There is one scene where Peter Parker goes to school and hugs his friend like they haven't seen each other for years. Shouldn't his friend be in college and 5 years older, assuming he wasn't dusted?
If Ned hadn't been snapped, then yes, he would be 5 years older and out of High School.
However, it is fairly obvious that Ned was snapped as was Flash and MJ, since they all appear in Far from Home. There is no violation of probability that they all were snapped. They've all come back now and are back in High School.
The interesting bit is that now there would new pupils in Peter Parker's class. Perhaps, even new teachers for some subject. Also, what about the state of the school itself and there were issues with running the country for 5 years. So many questions, nicely glossed over by Endgame (I am not complaining as I enjoyed Endgame very much).
shareI don't think they were glossed over. We were shown that things had happened: places abandoned and so forth. But it had also been five years. Things were returning to normal. Cap and Iron Man met Hulk in a restaurant and they were eating ice cream. Kids came over to him to ask for his autograph. These are markers that things were improving.
shareHonestly I think thats part of it. They wanted Tony to be married with a family. But I think they also wanted to show the world in a gloomy state so the audience got a sense of the destruction Thanos caused. They also probably wanted to include an older Cassie Lang who goes on to be Stature.
Personally I would've made it two years. Thats long enough for Thor to grow his hair back and have at least a noticeable gut.