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MINDBLOWING spoilers

posted 7 years ago by Shxyma (20)
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*Loki's death: some might say that it was necessary because (for now) there won't be any more Thor movies, so he's not needed and that's why they killed him off in the first 10 minutes but I have to say I respectfully disagree. I did not appreciate that.
*Stark's banter with Doctor Strange: I thought it was genius to have them be the first to meet, it really set the tone for me and it was much more entertaining than when Thor met Strange (plus it was hilarious) and I loved how they constantly kept going back and forth which later on (I think) contributed to Strange saving Stark's ass but that also could be because it was in fact the only way they could've "won". Speaking of that theory, a lot of people online and a couple of friends did bring it up, that it could be that one odd that Strange saw when he went ahead in time and while I'm quite the fan of that theory I just don't see how it could possibly set things right again.
Also, Stark's new suit is the best thing ever and I'm obsessed.
*Spiderman in space: I loved the addition of his new suit but I don't think they showed it's potential enough during the fight scenes which was a little meh for me and it was the only downside.
*Unexpected "deaths": while I think it was a poor choice to kill off Loki in the beginning, it was an even bigger disappointment when they killed off Gamora, since there is another Guardians movie coming, so I don't know how that will be executed without her and it was established that her death was certain and there's no comeback. Vision's death didn't really hit it for me because he is a robot and they might be able to fix him.
Winter Soldier, Black Panther, Spiderman, all of the Guardians, Strange, Scarlet Witch, Nick Fury and Maria Hill all turned into ashes but its very clear that they will be making a comeback in the next movie which everyone knows. It felt like it was quite randomized between the ones that disintegrated and the ones that didn't which didn't really make sense to me.
I find it a little frustrating leaving the movie theater and not being able to put the pieces together which was their(Marvel) intention in the first place.
Overall, this movie was great. It was very well-balanced and we got some iconic moments between the characters which was all I cared about if I'm being honest, and it was a change of pace to have evil prevail and to not have a satisfying ending for that I give this movie a solid 4.5/5 stars.

[–] Xcalat3 (3748) 7 years ago

/Stark's new suit is the best thing ever and I'm obsessed/

That suit was epic.

/it was an even bigger disappointment when they killed off Gamora/

Agreed, While I understand why they did it (Shock and showing that Thanos can actually love someone else) I really hate that she was killed off because I love Zoe and the character and she is such an important part of the Guardians.

[–] Shxyma (20) 7 years ago

Some do have the theory that she might be "resurrected" in the next film, which I'm not sure how they see that being executed. It seems like they'll have to do the next movie without her which is a bummer.

[–] TandyMan (11097) 7 years ago

I think the theory that she will be resurrected in the third Guardians film has the most water. That's a good reason to make a movie.

[–] Shxyma (20) 7 years ago

I'd be intrigued to see how they'd pull that off if it was to happen.

[–] SoCrates (874) 7 years ago

Maybe the price for the soul stone goes both ways, and returning the stone can bring her back?

[–] WaldoSupremo (2) 7 years ago

There is a theory floating around that they are not really dead, just trapped in the Soul Gem.

[–] Shxyma (20) 7 years ago

That may be the case for those who disintegrated, but her death was more of a sacrifice so it might not be that simple. Maybe if they used the stones somehow I’m not quite sure but seemed like that was it, at least to me.

[–] WaldoSupremo (2) 7 years ago

I thought that all took place in the Soul Gem. I will have to re-watch the movie. Not that it is a bad thing.

[–] FilmBuff (7237) 7 years ago

The who lives/who dies seems less than random. Think about it-- which Avengers lived? Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye (presumably), and War Machine. The original group. Beyond them, only Rocket and Nebula survive, and probably Ant Man and the Wasp, both who are founding members of the Avengers in the comic.

It seems like things are set up to have the original team fight together one final time.

[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 7 years ago

I think they are setting it up so The Original Avengers are going to have to sacrifice themselves to bring back The Avengers who died...

basically With Most of the big Actors contracts expiring it becomes oto expensive to make Avengers movies with them...

instead Marvels now Got Pratt,Boseman,Holland,Cumberpatch, Larson, and many other locked in to Minimum 3 to 6 picture contracts...

I think as you said, Avengers 4 will be a goodbye/final movie for The Original Avengers and Will end with them sacrificing themselves to bring the Others setting up the next 2 or 3 Avengers movies With Black Panther,Star Lord,Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Captain Marvel, Ant-Man and others Leading the way!

I actually think, The ending to Infinity War will be even more powerful and have even more meaning after we see Avengers 4, because right now everyone is speculating the deaths dont mean as much because we know they are coming back, but I think There is going to be Great Cost to bring them in Avengers 4 which is at Least Cap,Tony, and Thor(Maybe others too) sacrificing themselves to bring them back

[–] Shxyma (20) 7 years ago

While I hate to admit it, I think that might be the case. The originals making one big sacrifice to bring them back, although I can't imagine the following Avenger movies after that (if there's going to be any) being any good without the original Avengers.

[–] jonnyremix (122) 7 years ago

I think Cap and Tony will die. Thor as well maybe. But the others I'm not so sure. Hawkeye has a family. Black Widow will have her solo movie with Hulk probably. Also you need a few of the secondary original Avengers to link to the new batch which will be lead by Captain Marvel and Black Panther being her number two perhaps? In Avengers 5 in 2022?

I hope Cap says '....I can do this all day' to Thanos though at some point :D

[–] TandyMan (11097) 7 years ago

Cap is dead for sure. It would be utter nonsense to kill off Thor. First of all, he's Thor, the cosmic ass kicker, and really not so fragile as his Avenger pals. Secondly, he's only just come into his own after all these years. He needs to ride into the sunset and do a cameo now and then. Like butting heads with Silver Surfer in his movie when they get it made. It would be a mistake to kill off Stark. Stark should just do small roles like Nic Fury stuff. For so long as they make these movies.

[–] Shxyma (20) 7 years ago

Killing off Steve is a sure thing I feel, which is due to his contract being up, and I do think Thor is going as well because he did mention that he was done with this character a few times but who knows. And I agree it would be a mistake to kill off Stark but it would in fact make a lot of sense for the leading trinity to go together.

[–] prometheus1816 (1060) 7 years ago

But Chris Evans has not stated he's done playing Cap. He's said is current contract is up, but no word as to whether he's done permanently.

[–] FilmBuff (7237) 7 years ago

I have a similar feeling about Thor. While I don't think we'll see another Thor film, at least with Hemsworth in the role, they might have him pop up for a quick cameo, a la Dr. Strange's cameo in Thor's last film.

I think after Avengers 4, there won't be any more Captain America, Iron Man, or Thor films, at least not for many years. I can see the franchises being rebooted in 20 years or something, but as far as this "universe" is concerned, I doubt we'll see them again except in tiny cameos.

If I had to guess, as Tony Stark is more suited to a quick cameo than is Steve Rogers, a possible ending would be Captain America dying in battle, Iron Man surviving to return home, marry Pepper, and retire, choosing instead to build armor and weapons for a new Iron Man.

The future of the MCU as I see it, will revolve around Spider-Man, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel, and possibly Dr. Strange and the Guardians of the Galaxy, along with the potential arrival of the X-Men and the Fantastic Four. Maybe we'll see a decade-long build-up to a showdown with the Beyonder in Secret Wars.

[–] JimmyStrudel (600) 7 years ago

Lmao if you think any of these characters are permanently dead. The infinity gauntlet gives whoever wields it the power of god. What, you think Thanos will have it forever?You don’t think the good guys will win and undo what Thanos did? Come on now.

[–] Shxyma (20) 7 years ago

I never said that. Not all of them are permanently dead of course, I think that's obvious. But there are some like Loki and possibly Gamora which were necessary for the shock factor and to prove Thanos' power, and I think if they somehow brought them back it would most certainly "cheapen" their deaths.

[–] Shxyma (20) 7 years ago

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[–] Updog (5) 7 years ago

I think Loki's death really sets the tone for the movie just from the movie point of view (not going into contracts and stuff). It just goes on to show that the stakes are real

And the Gamora death was even more critical. It showed that Thanos was not some robotic villain doing "logical" things like wiping out half the humanity. It grounded his character despite being so larger than life. It showed that even Thanos had high stakes in his decision, that he too, along with the rest of the universe would have to make sacrifice. It was brilliantly executed as well on screen. One of the most touching moments

What did you guys think about Spidey's death ?? That was too intense and had me choked up. The way he was begging to stay

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Gamora had ample opportunity to take herself out, it was really strange when she didn't.

[–] BigGreenYamo (25) 7 years ago

"What did you guys think about Spidey's death ?? That was too intense and had me choked up. The way he was begging to stay"

Not a huge fan. The acting was great and all, but I don't feel like he should have been given so much extra time.

[–] DracTarashV2 (4493) 7 years ago

You know, we can say with total confidence that Spidey will return. However the more I reflect on his last scene (and the aftermath), the more I feel like it’s the most heartbreaking death in the film (Groot’s final moments with Rocket are up there). Peter’s reaction, the words he says, Tony not being able to do nothing... man, it’s pretty tough. Peter will be back before you know it and it’ll be like he never left. But right now, the kid is gone and it’s sad.

Here’s the thing, Peter SENSED the horrifying event that was occurring unlike anyone else. While all the other heroes who disappeared obviously knew that something was very wrong - those that had enough time to process what was happening to them anyway - it appears Peter’s spidey-sense made him feel immeasurably worse than the others. Yes, if he saw what happened to the Guardians and Strange, and him being a kid and all, then naturally he would feel sick and be afraid to go as well. But clearly he felt the impact of the snap, before he even started to disintegrate, stronger than the others thanks to his powers.

But putting that aside, just the way Peter pleads and holds on to Tony while Tony (now realizing that the kid is next) tells him that he will be alright, is sad. Then Tony just sits there shedding tears and feeling absolutely hopeless; the thing Tony feared the most when it came to the kid, just happened before his very eyes. Damn. And let’s not forget about Aunt May. Depending on what she knows about Peter, you know she isn’t going to have a good night rest until she gets some answers (getting the truth won’t help her one bit, that’s for sure).

[–] Updog (5) 7 years ago

Very well said and great analysis. It was the most heartbreaking one of all.

Very well acted as well

[–] Shxyma (20) 7 years ago

I agree. That scene brought tears to my eyes and I was not expecting that at all.

[–] MuffCabbage (448) 7 years ago

Gamora's death was necessary IMO because it gave so much more depth to Thanos.

[–] Shxyma (20) 7 years ago

I agree, and while she's vital to the GoTG sequel coming up(if it does take place after Infinity War) I think if they do bring her back eventually somehow it's going to take away from how impactful and dramatic her death was.

[–] racerjoe (10) 7 years ago

I personally think Thanos is the one who is going to try and bring her back. He is already feeling the price of losing everything...