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Would a movie about extreme leftists in place of skinheads fare as well?


Everything is identical but instead of the boring, overused, easy target skinheads as the baddies, what if we had the real threat in extremely violent leftists doing the debauchery? Would it have the same appeal? For some reason, I don't think so.

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According to the director, the villains in this film ARE far left:

"JS: That was a way to visually drive home a point, without verbally preaching about whatever their ultra-left, extreme ideology might be.

AVC: Are they ultra-left?

JS: A lot of white-power movements are socialistic. The working class. The right and the ultra left meet at racism. And nationalism. But socialism is usually where these things are born."

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They usually cannot decide themselves if they are on the right or left. The problem with labeling them socialist is that they are not egalitarian, they believe in brutal heirachy, the strong governing the weak. Really it is just the worst elements of both; the social conservatism and nationalism of the right plus the large state of the left taken to the damaging extreme.

I would personally say it is more useful to say they are far right though, but justifying that would take an essay, and right now I'm far too sleepy.

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"JS: That was a way to visually drive home a point, without verbally preaching about whatever their ultra-left, extreme ideology might be.


JS: A lot of white-power movements are socialistic. The working class. The right and the ultra left meet at racism. And nationalism. But socialism is usually where these things are born."


Most Nazis nowadays adopt this Third Position, which is anti-capitalist (but also anti-communist) and nationalist at the same time but no one refers to them (except this man, apparently) as ultra-left because they don't usually claim to be so. He's right in that they're both right-wing and ultra-left but calling their ideology "ultra-left" is a bit weird.

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Most Nazis nowadays adopt this Third Position, which is anti-capitalist (but also anti-communist) and nationalist at the same time but no one refers to them (except this man, apparently) as ultra-left because they don't usually claim to be so.


Not just nowadays, the Fascists of the 1930s were also explicitly opposed to capitalism. Fascism has less to do with any left/right economic paradigm and a lot more to do with a hyper-agressive racist nationalism. Social Darwinism is also a big concept in Fascism, and not one usually associated with the Left. Socialists care about equality while Fascists believed that only the strong should survive (the Nazis practiced their gas chambers on the disabled and handicapped).

I agree that the comment about "ultra-left" is puzzling, and certainly not one that racist skinheads would ever use to describe themselves.

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Yeah, the Strasser brothers and stuff or the falangists in Spain who actually believed there was an actual ideology other than being ruled by the rich. All of that was mostly set aside anyway and one of the Strasser brothers was murdered by his own party.

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I think it would.

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Black people are democrats and they commint more violence against whites than do even skinheads against blacks. So when do people get the "blacks are violent against whites" movies?

Please excuse any typos, this was typed on an iPad

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Black people are democrats and they commint more violence against whites than do even skinheads against blacks. So when do people get the "blacks are violent against whites" movies?


I would say black violence against whites is at best incidental blacks kill each other more than anyone else, Skinhead/supremacist violence against Blacks is generally targeted/deliberate hate crimes.

To me this film is not at all political and you could have picked almost any american subculture for the focus of this film.

Basically it comes down to

Someone commits a murder
Unexpected witnesses
inconvenient location of the murder (Drugs den) complicates matters.
Witnesses therefore need to be exposed of.

You could have this in a Mafia/Inner city Gang/International crime syndicate/ Mexican drug / Biker gang hideout scenarios and could have worked the same effect.

I would almost go as far as to say these skinheads were not all that hate fueled.

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I believe what you're looking for is the evening news where any crime ever commit by a black person is sensationalized while, if they even report on the crimes of white people, they do so sympathetically.

Most crime is intraracial, not interracial.

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But it wouldn't be the same movie.

The only time extreme leftists organize violently like that is to protest things like new commercial developments or to fire bomb animal testing labs.

They certainly wouldn't be running a for profit drug ring.

It would probably work if the baddies were just sketchy apolitical club owners. Making them nazis though gives them an easily believable plot beat in the form of a personal army of brainwashed hooligans. Doubt club owners would have that at their disposal.

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That would have been sweet. You could set it in an "occupy" enclave where all sorts of weird sh!t went down. The villains would be extreme leftists out to kill those whose views they don't share, rather than just try to shut them down as usually happens with the left.

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Nazi skinheads are much easier to identify as villains, I'm not very fond of radical leftists either but I definitely like them better than Nazis. While obviously there are lefties who deal drugs and such there are not any actual criminal gangs made up of leftists or if there are any, they're nothing compared to Nazi gangs (there is no left-wing equivalent of the Aryan Brotherhood, for instance).

Here in Spain there have been many more acts of violence perpetrated by Nazis than by far-left types and I think it's the same case all across Europe and the USA. And no, don't feed me that "the media doesn't report crimes by leftists" because they actually do when there are. There are left-wing skinheads too and some of them are dicks but everyone knows Nazi skinheads are the worst.

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Btw Skinhead is just a type of haircut.

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