the baron goes from the shock of what happened to his wife to all of a sudden being at the right place at the right time to witness m.k.'s transformation? unless i'm missing something, that just oozes of very poor writing.
shareHe probably went down for help to look for sunny. Not poor writing at all
sharefor what reason? how can sunny help his wife? why would the baron not be comforting her instead? it's as if the writers just put him down there for the hell of it, in order to achieve some pivotal plot point, but in doing so, they left a massive plot hole. that's poor writing.
shareI dont think its poor writing but whatever
sharei've actually been enjoying the show, but the ending to this episode was ridiculous.
shareGah, I know! It was straight out a soap opera.
shareAlthough you are 100% right on this one it is still a very well written series. Also the bigger problem is why he isn't there to begin with: they capture the widows daughter, a 1st major success in the barons war, yet he does not bother to comment at all? Did Sunny even report it to him? There is a lot left in the dark.
Maybe the scene "He is sick and asleep so he can't receive you right now Sunny - I'll tell him when he wakes up" just went south and couldn't be used. Who knows?
The only reason I can think of why he went to the Dungeon is he suspect the Butterflies to be behind this. To him it wasn't just a coincidence that they captured a butterfly, and his wife was poisoned on the same night. In his mind he was going to get the antidote from Tilda.
What plot hole? She could be dead or somewhere being treated. Neither requires the baron's immediate presence. It's certainly possible that he'd opt to go down into the dungeons himself rather than just sitting around. The discovery might not have played out how you would've preferred, but there's nothing implausible about it.
shareExactly. Its a tv show, not everything is gonna be realistic especially a martial arts/ scifi show. Even shows like breaking bad had some unrealistic endings but they were still good writing
shareso, she's "dead" or "being treated," but instead of the baron being by her side, he decides to wander to the dungeon? seriously? these events happened over a short period of time, it's not as if he were just "sitting around" for days. i didn't have a preference as to how the discovery happened, just one that made actual sense.
shareDoes the baron seem like the sort of character who sits by people's bedside singing them lullabies? If he feels powerless, he's going to focus on something that he can affect, like maybe going down to the dungeons and torturing Tilda while whatever healers he has tend to Jade.
There are two people likely to have poisoned her, from his perspective: Lydia or Veil. Veil is the more recent possible threat, given what he knows Sunny told her. He may have gone down to the dungeon to find Sunny and demand something of him related to that. We don't know.
I see no explanation on your part as to how it's bad writing.
psychictuesday,
"Does the baron seem like the sort of character who sits by people's bedside singing them lullabies? If he feels powerless, he's going to focus on something that he can affect, like maybe going down to the dungeons and torturing Tilda while whatever healers he has tend to Jade."
exactly! spot on. it would be poor writing/out of character if the Baron had stayed by the young woman's bedside. him going to torture Tilda makes sense with what we know about the Baron.
Especially after Quinn and Veil had their conversation about their respective nature.
Quinn would not have loitered around Jade's bedside. He would have been edgy, looking for something to do, to lash out at someone like a Butterfly in the dungeon.
Granted, the transition from his POV was sudden, from his den directly to the dungeon while the fighting was occurring. Artistically, showing his movement would have intruded on the fighting.
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i see no explanation on your part as to how it isn't bad writing. he was visibly upset when his wife collapsed. this isn't like with his son, for whom he doesn't show the same level of care. it just seems like a radically short amount of time that he goes from the shock of what happened to his wife to suddenly, and conveniently, showing up at the dungeon.
shareI'm with you man.
If you have to do a character analysis to infer how they went got from point A to point B, then you're script is kind of garbage.
I don't see why Quinn would go looking for Sunny because his wife is poisoned. The *beep* is Sunny gonna do about it? Even if that was the case, they should have had Quinn scream "Sunny!" instead of "Help me!" as that would be more clear.
Same thing with The Widow getting away, what was with that? All they had to do their was have MK kill punk-ass, which would allow Tilda to attack a preoccupied Sunny, Sunny defends himself which pisses off MK, and then have hulked out MK attack Sunny while Tilda and the Widow make a break for it. Instead they just had everybody stand around.
Man, it's a real shame because it was a great episode up until that point. I seriously wonder if they just ran out of time or budget or something and they had to compensate for it.
The baron is the sort of man who wouldn't sit by her side, he would go torture tilda. When his son was really ill he went into the next room and fooked jade to piss off Lydia. Everything we've learned about him shows he would go torture someone instead
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Someone poisoned his wife.
What would your reaction be?
Sure it's not explained well but it's believable. His wife was just poisoned. He's getting his #1 man (Sunny) and a group together to find out who did it, why and likely murder them.
You're thinking like he's some average family man. He's more like a mob boss. His wife just got whacked. What do you think the mob boss would do? They're psychopaths. They would fly into a rage, make it all about them and go find and kill anyone involved. And they do it by getting their crew together.
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The baron needed to left her side in order to getting help for her, since they don't have phones to calling for help ...
So i see no plothole on this aspect ... :)
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I agree that it was jarring to see him down there with that evil-looking smile on his face, all pleased with himself for finding out about MK, when the very last scene had him crying for help with Jade foaming at the mouth.
They probably could have edited those scenes a bit better, or had a brief shot of the Baron approaching and looking intent, so we'd know he was gonna round up his people. Or just show us what happened with Jade -- the only reason we don't know is because the show wanted to leave us on a cliffhanger. I doubt they're killing off Sarah Bulger at this point.
I had more of a problem with Sunny suddenly deciding to let the Widow go, that it was somehow more important to gawk at MK-as-Goku than it was to kill the Widow right there and solve at least half his own problems. With the Widow gone, he no longer has to worry about her going after MK, he doesn't have to worry about hunting her down, or anticipate her next attack on Quinn...
If you were the Baron and you needed someone to get a doctor, ASAP, who do you send? You probably will want to send your reliable right-hand man, Sunny.
shareHe had asked his son to see the amulet that MK was wearing but the son said that he traded it. So he probably knew about these super Kung fu guys. Just like everyone seems to know about them. We will have to wait to see if any more of the back story or more knowledge is disseminated to us over the rest of the episodes.
shareRemember now guys, Sunny told him they captured someone. He may have gone down to check out the torture.
sharei'm well aware of that, but the baron did so in such a short amount of time after the shock of what happened to his wife.
shareThe baron is a psycho. He doesnt give a damn about his own son so i doubt he is sitting down crying over the woman. He probably wanted to see the butterfly get tortured too
shareas i pointed out in a previous reply, this situation is different because he obviously cares more about his wife than his son. the level of compassion he shows for both of them isn't on the same level.
shareAnd I explained to you before (which you ignored) that he's not going to sit around feeling helpless - he's going to transfer that energy into something else (like rounding up Sunny to kill someone or just torturing Tilda).
The explanation you're looking is in his characterization. HeavyHorseArcher explained it quite well.
except i didn't ignore it, you must've chosen to ignore my response. i already addressed that point.
share... after the shock of what happened to his wife.
saratastic, i actually agree w/ you that (the way the episode/scene was edited) Baron's being down in the dungeon so soon seemed off/weird. i can only assume that due to time issues of the ep that there was at least some amount of time (maybe 30 minutes or more?) that had passed between Jade being poisoned and Baron being down in the dungeon.
shareThe Baron wanted to feel in control after the tumor and his wife being poisoned and so he wanted to make sure Sunny was doing what he was told even tho he knew Sunny obviously didn't want to.
sharehmm... he could be looking for sunny to get veil/medical help... or more likely, to go torture tilda because he assumes the widow is behind her poisoning- though it's probably lydia, of course. if you're only watching for the action then don't bother getting upset about the storyline. it's made enough sense so far. what i think's rad is that sunny must be taking that jerky colt's head to the river guy...
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His wife was poisoned. They had a captive. Unless he suspected wife No.1, The widow would be the primary suspect. He would want answers.
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I agree, that was awkward editing. Of course it can be explained...but still it seemed wrong to see him hiding out after screaming for help.
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He probably went to tell Sunny to fetch Veil because noone answered his help (since Sunny informed Quinn he caught one of Widow's butterflies, Quinn knew Sunny would be at the torture chamber).
While Quinn could have also went to fetch Veil himself (since he knows where her clinic is), he was still weak from poison that Veil administered to him (and besides he would have wanted to be by Jade's side, and I'd guess Sunny's motorcycle is faster than his horse) so he stumbled with what strength he had to get to Sunny, and witnessed the whole events by pure coincidence.
I don't find that to be bad writing at all.
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