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Hollywood pedophilia agenda in your face.


This "comedy" is no more than Hollywood's attempt at normalizing pedophilia.
I'll enumerate the main situations in the film where the pedophilia agenda is shoved down the throat of the audience.

1- Violent dead of a woman depicted as erotic, involving child: From the very first scene, a child picks up a porn magazine and is about to jerk off when a car crashes in his house, the boy finds said porn start naked and laying suggestively on the wrecked car's hood, she's injured, bloody and she's dying but the way it's filmed, her pose on the top of the car is staged and basically, looks like she is posing for a nude calendar. Note that this scene, the boy finding the dead porn star serves absolutely no purpose in the plot other than conveying the porn actress is dead, the boy is never seen again in the film.

2- Normalization of pedophilia: A ten year old boy tells the main characters about a porn film that a guy was making, he explains he wants to work in the industry himself and insists in showing his "big penis" to the main characters, the main characters act like if this was an 18 year old boy talking, the scene is supposed to be funny.

3- Children portrayed as adults: The daughter of the main character is only 11-12 yet she acts like a girl on her late teens, in fact most of the children in this movie do, they are all portrayed as aloof and cynical and are constantly exposed to sex and violence through the movie and this is portrayed as normal, the fact that this movie is supposed to be a comedy only makes it worse.

4- Aberrant father-daughter relationship: You never feel you're watching daughter and father when Ryan Gosling interacts with the child, they seem more like buddies or roommates, the conversations are odd and the child's body language is that of an adult. Their relationship never develops, there is absolutely zero to the daughter character that is integral to the plot, other than pushing Hollywood's pedophilia agenda of course.
The child's relationship with the character portrayed by Russell Crowe is even worse, it almost have romantic undertones and it's sickening to watch.

5- Child exposed to pornography: In one of the most disturbing scenes I've ever seen in a comedy depicting a child, the daughter sneaks into an adult party where his father and the other main character are investigating, at some stage Russel Crowe's character find the child laying in bed with a man and a porn actress all three of them watching a porn film where the porn actress is starring, the child body language is again completely off, she is lying there inviting and aloof, the character of Rusel Crowe's punches the guy but allows the girl to continue watching the film with the porn actress, then she discusses anal sex with the child.

Finally let's remember that this movie is supposed to be a comedy also, the actual plot of the film has actually nothing to do with pornography, it's almost like someone wanted to make a movie in which children are exposed to hardcore porn and violence and everything else has clumsily and forcefully built around that premises.

Don't support pedophilia, boycott that type of garbage, I added the people involved with this film to my black list and I suggest you all do the same.

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I hate Hollywood liberal agenda, I don't see the connection with child molestation which is what you seem to imply, let's make clear that pedophilia is a mental condition, not a crime; on the other hand child molestation is a crime.

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What you're seeing and interpreting (in your way) is called irony.

Look it up.

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You're too fixated on pedophilia and child pornography. Nothing in the movie was bothersome to me; I found it to be hilarious. You, on the other hand, seem to have some urges you don't know what to do with. Perhaps speak with a therapist or counselor rather than seeking help in an online forum?

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its almost these conservative purist types obsessed with it who are the biggest issues

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Hollyweird certainly has its agendas and is a total cesspool of degeneracy, especially behind the scenes with pedophilia in particular being a major problem and pretty much an open secret that is largely ignored. With that being said, I didn't notice any pedophilia agenda in this movie.

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https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/anyone-see-nice-guys-good-film-but.1060858/

At first, this movie, to me, was just a really good film. I was streaming it on my IPad from one of those pirate sites though and was at home so i had to restart it a couple of times. In watching some of the scenes a few times, I'm noticing how overtly sexual the film is with the children in the cast and their dialogue.

Now before I saw this Documentary:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1JpHUaMBARU/hqdefault.jpg

maybe I wouldn't have been so disturbed. Maybe I wouldn't have noticed anything at all. But I did see that documentary and there was just so much sexual suggestion in this film in what the children said and did, it just put me ill at ease.

In the very first instance that caught my attention and had me watching the movie a little more closely is when the daughter in the film goes up to her father, Gosling, who is sitting there, talking with Crowe and:
Holland March: What are you doing?
Holly: I was giving you a rimjob.
Holland March: [horrified] Rimshot!... Rimshot.


I'm sitting there like, :e1_25:. Is this supposed to be cute? Funny? This is the little girl by the way:
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/5FB2gj86MEqkbgwY8fQNtQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAwO2lsPXBsYW5l/http://67.media.tumblr.com/561888e8071fe05967003f5fe9a8b87b/tumblr_inline_o7mvotqZ5X1t0ijhl_1280.jpg

Next "off" scene that catches my attention, the two PIs, Gosling and Crowe, question this kid on a bike about a "special movie" a young man in the neighborhood was making. The kid on the bike's dialogue is so suggestive, repeatedly asking the men if they want to see his dick. Telling them how big it is. Even offering at the end to pay them to look at his dick. It was so fucking awkward. This is humor? This is not funny to me. Who would it be funny to? What is funny about a little boy wanting to show 2 grown men his penis?

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I laughed my ass off at the "do you want see my dick" scene. The irony of it was so rich, especially highlighted by Ryan Gosling's natural comedic talent when he ironically repeated the line.

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Watched this film last night and came on here to see if anything was posted about this.

I did like the film in all honesty it is funny and as a 'Buddy Cop' type film it's excellent the two leads are great.

However the pedo stuff was unavoidable i first clocked the Rim Job line and it kind of registered, then the scene where she gives Crowe the drink and they chat i felt an ever so slight undertone but dropped it, then the young boy offering to shock his C~+k i did laugh at it was funny but one of those you laugh at and then 30 secs later go, 'wait, that was a bit inappropriate'

But the scene where the girl is sat watching porn and they talk Anal was when i looked at my partner and we were both like wtf

Very weird stuff and for people who are into the 'Eyes wide Shut' type conspiracies where they are actively trying to sexualize kids and normalize amoral stuff then films like this do throw fuel to fire you cannot ignore that

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How was Eyes Wide Shut actively trying to sexualize kids and normalize amoral stuff again?
Did you mean some characters in the film were trying, or that it was the agenda of Kubrick's film itself?

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How was Eyes Wide Shut actively trying to sexualize kids and normalize amoral stuff again?
Did you mean some characters in the film were trying, or that it was the agenda of Kubrick's film itself?

I thought that it was common knowledge that one of the main themes of the film was how women are groomed and guided by a hidden hand to become sexualized for men. The Daughter, wife, prostitutes all have red hair because they are the same people just at different stages of the process.

The Wife might not be an out and out prostitute but her role is to be attractive trophy wife
The costume shop owner just pimp his daughter out and the rest of the women are sex slaves

Kubrick wasn't promoting it more exposing the dark underbelly which has been going on since forever.
To have children talking about anal sex and showing there cocks is disgusting if you are a decent minded person, you can write it off as jokes and say 'oh you need a sense of humour' but you are condoning it and they will keep pushing it until everyone thinks like a pervert

Did i miss something?

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Thanks for your reply.

"Kubrick wasn't promoting it more exposing the dark underbelly which has been going on since forever."
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Agreed. I misunderstood your post as trying to say that Kubrick's film was itself trying to sexualize kids, etc. when in fact what is now clear to me you really meant was "some of the characters in Kubrick's film" were. And I think that's definitely true (Milich prostituting his own daughter, etc.).


"To have children talking about anal sex and showing there cocks is disgusting if you are a decent minded person."
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That, though, I don't think I necessarily agree with (although I don't necessarily find it funny either...).
I think sexuality manifests itself in children earlier than most people are comfortable with, and I'm pretty sure children/adolescents the age of those shown in 'The Nice Guys' talk about sex, often in a crass way. But most of the time, they have no clue what they're talking about and are merely posturing, trying to get attention. I certainly don’t find that disgusting.
But I would indeed be disturbed if these same children were actually performing anal sex (albeit not so much if they were just showing their genitals, at least to children their age...) instead of merely talking about it.

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But, truth be told -and I mean no offense here- I think I'm more frightened by the concept of a "decent minded person" you seem to speak of, than that of children talking about anal sex or exhibitionism.
Probably because I think it’s a slippery slope leading to judge people based on their thoughts (which one doesn’t control) rather than on their actions (which I’m not even THAT certain we control either, but we have to behave as if we believe we do…).
Now I can understand and get behind the idea of a "decent person" (i.e. decent in actions, doing what's right, benevolent, etc.). Someone who understands their own capability for evil, and recognizes that even ugly, lude, violent, racist, sexist (you name it…) thoughts are liable to appear in their mind, but knows to recognize them as such, decides not to act on them and instead behaves rationaly, compassionately and in such a way as to not cause harm to anyone.

But back to ‘The Nice Guys”, I thought the way Ryan Gosling's daughter was written actually gave more credit to the complexity of real-life children than most films, by aknowledging that they are not parangons of purity or virtue, untainted by egoism, sexuality or violence. But his daughter, for all the mimicking of “the grown ups talk” that she does, is also a decent human being, is very humane, cares for her friends and her dad, tries to entice Russel Crowe's character to be a more decent human being himself...

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To have children talking about anal sex and showing there cocks is disgusting if you are a decent minded person

1. The child doesn't show his cock, neither on-screen or off-screen, and neither he means it. Children have a phase where they like to talk dirty words to astound adults, 'vagina!' 'pop!' 'fart!'. It's obvious the kid is in that phase. He's not actually suggesting he wanna show his cock.

2. The other "child" who talks about anal is a 15 years old girl.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that a 15 years old girl talking about anal qualifies as family entertainment, but going to the opposite extreme and categorizing her as a child is a bit disturbing, to say the least. When she's gonna be considered a teenager? When she's 20 years old?

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I take both your points on board and i get where you are coming from, but i suppose is the reason people, mainly over 30s with children become more outraged by this stuff than anyone else. Because you start to look at your own children growing up and having sexed up teens and men preying on your Girl, it's inevitable.

''leading to judge people based on their thoughts (which one doesn’t control) rather than on their actions (which I’m not even THAT certain we control either'

It's in this little part of what you said which is what is most interesting. and it's i think people have a problem with content like this in films

The vast majority of people have been influenced in some form or another by the Movies, Singers, Tv we have grown up with.
the people who over see these things are in a position to manipulate people,
So most people's thoughts are never really 100% their own,

Do films reflect a 'normal teenager' acting up or do young kids/teens grow up with sex and mature content in their faces and adapt accordingly? Chicken or the Egg.
I would argue that Kids/teens are attracted to Films about other Kids/teens first and foremost and then are slipped a bit of smut once they let there guard down, it's the same as the con in Wolf of Wall Street, 'Pitch them Kodak Disney,brands they are familiar with, and then once you have sucked them in, unload the dog shit, the pink slips, the smut that we put in, where we make the money'

Put it this way in 1937 were our grannies talking about sucking and fucking?(Don't answer that)

My point is are we better off now? really. everyone i seem to see is on anti depressions, Coke, weed or tinder, it's seedy as fuck. And films like this play a very small but crucial part in re-inforcing the idea it's ok to act like that

But tying back in with EWS theme, that once tin foil hat line of thinking has grown with in last few years (especially after Eptstein Saville) where if the top of the very top are in fact Satanist types. Then it makes total sense that they would want to degenerate and shape the world in there image.

And films like this (i realize i have gone on a bit on rant about bloody The Good Guys) but you see it in so so much that it get's to a point and think when is enough

Bottom line, no you can't control every thought or action but at least set some sort of standards of good taste

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I have to mostly agree there is little these kids were saying that 13-year-olds in the 80s weren't saying. As for doing, hell, Bart Simpson worked at a burlesque house in one episode. I think I even walked into a couple bars on lingerie night back in the day without anyone noticing.

The primary thing that was weird for me though was why was the kid sitting there watching the porno with an adult? Maybe I need to go back and rewatch the scene as I can't recall the context at the moment.

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I agree that Hollywood is a degenerate place, but in this movie, I think rather than endorsing that behavior, they were kind of pointing it up to show us how bad this situation actually was in the 1970s.

Not even just Hollywood, but all over North America in the 1970s children were sexualized and nobody thought anything of it. Look at movies like "Pretty Baby".

I was in my early teens living in a medium sized city in the late 1970s and I got propositioned (unsuccessfully) by adult women and gay men more than a few times. Unfortunately, mostly gays tried it, but one of my friend's moms and a woman who lived in our building propositioned me as well. I remember a 40 year old male substitute teacher in 8th grade making open, leering comments to the whole class about the boobs of the two prettiest girls (13 and 14 years old) and forcing them to stay after school when they had done nothing to deserve it. Several girls I knew in middle school and early high school were dating men in their late teens and twenties.

In the 1970s, with all the drugs and sex so freely and openly available, and so much hedonism being pursued by most adults, by the time you were 13 or 14 you were likely more streetwise and savvy than most 30 year olds today. It was a crazy and decadent time, thanks to the sex and drug excesses brought about by the hippie generation of the late 60s. By the late 70s all that sleaze had filtered out to mainstream society and only the AIDS crisis of the early 80s did anything to slow it down.

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I agree. I wasn’t alive in the 70s but I’ve picked up on the “sexual revolution” being about people thinking they could freely express their sexual desires and thoughts, no matter how crude that is. Plus songs about girls being too young (young girl get out of my head.)

New York was full of porn theatres and pornography shops.

Plus when you see pictures of children in the 70s you notice how short the shorts are on boys and girls.

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Yes. The sexual revolution was a very sleazy, unsavory time for Western culture. Like virtually everything else that came about through the hippie movement, it was a cancer whose negative effect is still seen in our society today.

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Yes, like the Pride Movement. It’s targeted at kids too.

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As they have made extremely obvious! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOQF4kadHA&t=22s

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I watched that waiting for the punchline. That was just creepy as all hell.

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Hope you are enjoying seeming like a total dumb ass spouting how things should be. Clean up your own corner of the world up and stfu, oh high and mighty. It's always people you don't like, isn't it? Like Boy Scout leaders and Catholic priests, eh? I believe in keeping kids happy and healthy as much or more than anybody, but picking your opponents arbitrarily and climbing your superior high horse to proclaim you have the answers is nauseating.

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Then why was the first scene of the movie the main character beating the shit out of a paedophile who was dating a 13 yearold?

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This here ^^^

It seemed more to me about the hedonism that was part of the 1970's. There were many scenes and people who were good and decent despite the decadence of the time.

Another scene worth mentioning is that first scene with the boy and the car crashing into his house ended in a compassionate way, the boy valued the dead porn star as a human being because he took care in covering her up after she died. Goslings kid wanted her father to be a better person and she liked Russell Crowe because he seemed to be a better person than others she has met and she was disappointed when she saw him trying to kill that hitman at the end. So Crowe was more like a father figure not a romantic interest.

I think many people have begun to notice the indecency being pushed on us regularly, I myself have turned off programs when I began to see the agenda. But I didnt see this movie as trying to glorify indecent and disturbing behavior, the main characters did good things in spite of all the wickedness. I saw it more as a warning than promoting.

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It was pretty creepy.

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