The Pledge of allegiance scene at the school was abit cringey

".....With liberty and Justice for all"


Yeah! How dare America make kids say that, is like the Holocaust or something

yes we did - we pledged allegiance every morning in the sixties, and there was never a question about not participating

I am referring to the sixties, we stopped doing that in high school after the social movements - civil rights, feminism, the war in vietnam - people questioned the status quo and gradually the pledge of allegiance faded away - but it is still used at some events, sports events


at there were nuclear bomb drills where hid under your school desk....what a laugh

" Do you really do that in US schools and what happens if the kid doesn't want to participate, is it mandatory?"


At one point yes. it was Mandatory. When I started going to school in the US they tried to make me do the Pledge. I refused. I didn't see the point of doing a pledge for a country I was not born in at the time. I was only around 7. They actually talked about putting me into special Education. All just because I would not do the pledge and of course because I had a Accent which sounded Northern English at the time because I could not say my R's yet. The school got a hold of my dad thinking he would either talk me into doing the Pledge or scare me into it. They got a real surprise when my dad told them leave me alone and he thought the Pledge was overrated. Lmao

Btw I was later put into Speech class because of My accent. That did not go over to well either. At least on their part.

I did not think it was cringy. As a young child when I said it, I did not even know what pledging meant. It was just one of the many school rules I was expected to obey. Same as getting under my desk to escape being vaporized (I knew it would be of zero help) or getting in line for lunch or doing the work. My father had zero tolerance (belt or switch whipping, not hand spanking or time out) for rule breaking at school. The only exception was for fighting. If I did not fight back when hit, then I got the whipping from him for being a coward.

Even throughout high school no teacher ever explained to me that pledging allegiance meant that I had to go and fight in some war in which the USA was not attacked first. I never thought that if I saw 10 hells angels or isis burning a flag I was required to go to battle for it as a suicide mission. But assumed I would be allowed to exact revenge on the perpetrators if it offended me to the extent that I wanted to. Even though there is no law against burning our flag, I would have very little fear from law enforcement. My reference is related to the over coat scene in this movie.

I never thought one day the government would flip a switch and I would go into robot/zombie mode because I repeated a pledge because I was told to. It was more of a united we stand, divided we fall message.

Eventually we all grow up and get to make different decisions, at least in the USA we do. Many places don't. As the massive number of immigrants are flooding into Europe (well over a million) as I write. I guess the propaganda is still working else the USA would not have the many millions flooding up from south and central America. Hollywood does not speak for nor dictate to the public, they are a business for profit. Their entertainment art most often uses fiction that is sometimes based on history. It doesn't make me feel superior because we won a battle in a film. I understand the difference between documentaries and movies.

I substitute teach in public schools when I am between projects and the pledge is broadcast over the intercom. Kids stand but are not required to repeat it. There is no rule that says I have to say it either, but I do as I try to lead by example. Some say it as shown in this movie others have their hands in their pockets and fidget around. I imagine it is because they can't wait for their next chance to sneak and get whatever phone device they have out to play instead of doing the assigned lesson. But they are kids and that is to be expected from those who don't get discipline at home or use medication in place of parenting.

Modern times are much different than the time period of this movie which is before I was in elementary school. The most powerful message I took away from it was the scene on the plane ride home. Donovan said to Powers "it doesn't matter what you say, it doesn't matter what people think, you know what you did." Which means sometimes you are in a situation where you have to do things you didn't want to do. Armchair quarter backing is easy.

I gave the movie a 9/10 rating. The story was good and showed that the general public are just citizens. The governments of all 3 nations shown were flawed and mistrusting due to their motives.

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Books and movies are usually better than real life.

We did it because we love our flag and country, just as you (presumably) do yours. Not because we were forced to do it. You obviously don't understand what that means.

I'm older, but we did that when I was in school. I was not brainwashed. Who wouldn't want to cite the Pledge of Allegiance? We did in fact mean to honor our country. It was just a little pledge before school starts.

I don't think anyone would have been forced to say it. I don't recall anyone objecting.

Don't make such a big deal out of things. When I was a kid, we just went along with minor things like that. There are really important things in life to worry about. That's not one of them.

The fact that so many people are posting negatively reveals how far we've fallen. The fact that the kids used to recite this daily is now looked at as an act of brainwashing. How did you learn your ABC's? in the future our enemies will have succeeded in convincing everyone that an allegiance to a country is wrong, sick and twisted.

What was cringey about the scene was the look on the teacher's face. Either Spielberg wasn't paying attention, or he deliberately wanted the scene to feel creepy. Judging by some of his past films ("Saving Private Ryan") I would have to say Spielberg didn't realize what this actress was doing.

don't worry you little jackass communist. isis also has their own pledge of allegiance that you can recite if you don't like the American one.