Wow this looks bad. The love interest falling all over and worshipping Dorothy. His insistence she is the best, most wonderful entity in the universe. The female worship on broadcast TV is reaching such pathetic lows. Shows are unwatchable. All the story arcs are the same. Female warrior- of course. Who is never dealt with by men. Instead she dominates men while gossipy women whine about her. And then it's a snooze fest which tries to be covered up with makeup and costumes.
No, it isn't. It's what you wanted to pretend he "basically" said, so you can pretend to be some morality-based judge & jury.
What he's clearly saying has nothing to do with "it'd be okay if it was a man", and everything to do with him seeing this as another cheap ploy to pretend the female lead is strong and empowered, but is really just a poorly written Mary Sue that everyone magically adores, and can do no wrong.
Completely different things. As I said, your argument was a blatant strawman.
His point made no sense. The dude was not worshipping dorothy - he's falling in love with her. Is that no allowed in tv or movies anymore? Why do you misogynists have such a hatred of strong female characters? I suspect that like all misogynists, you fear strong women because they make you feel weak and challenge your masculinity. Otherwise you would not all be crying and whining endlessly about it, and would celebrate equality rather than trying to squash it.
I took the OP's post not as a "hatred of women", as you assert, so much as he's pointing out a tired trope that has been played to the nth degree in films and television. Something I would like to point out that the producers missed with this Dorothy, is that she does not look or act like she's from Kansas. I'm from Kansas originally;a small town called Enterprise, more specifically.
In casting this Dorothy, they could not have got it more wrong. Typically, the average country girl from Kansas has more meat on her bones. Sometimes a lot more, because those girls like to eat. They tend to work hard, and wear sometimes outdated or just unfashionable clothes. Makeup is used sparingly. And, sorry to offend the PC types reading this, but they're mostly white. I'm not saying this to piss people off. I'm just pointing out that is what the norm is in most small Kansas towns.
I do find it curious that women like the ones I just described tend to be left out of Hollywood portrayals of "empowered" women. Apparently, media treatment of empowerment is only granted to women who can look plain Jane, but easily be transformed into sexy vixen, or warrior queen when the script calls for it. Let's be honest. Hollywood is very hypocritical when it comes to their double-standards regarding what they call empowerment. They actually mock women like the ones I described. If they get any representation at all, it's as the crass, loudmouthed, oafish sidekick, not unlike the way men who are not physically attractive or overweight are portrayed in comparison to someone like Chris Hemsworth. In this sense, the sexes are treated equally when their looks fall short of Hollywood's beauty standards. Like dirt.
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That's actually a good point, so I can let it slide a little bit that she doesn't look like a typical Kansas girl... because she is indeed from Oz. So in that regard, okay, it would make sense that she doesn't fit in. I can give it a pass.
Just having some problems with the rest of the casting feeling forced. I'm still very interested and will watch. I like the new take.
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Just a point. Dorothy is adopted, so the actual genetuc background of most people in Kansas is irrelevant. She could have been an adopted Chinese (We don't know if her mom is from Kansas and we have zero clue about her dad)
Exactly, the story is over a hundred years old and L. Frank Baum was a supporter of women's suffrage.
"Sally Roesch Wagner of The Matilda Joslyn Gage Foundation has published a pamphlet titled The Wonderful Mother of Oz describing how Matilda Gage's feminist politics were sympathetically channeled by Baum into his Oz books. Much of the politics in the Republican Aberdeen Saturday Pioneer dealt with trying to convince the populace to vote for women's suffrage. Baum was the secretary of Aberdeen's Woman's Suffrage Club. Susan B. Anthony visited Aberdeen and stayed with the Baums.
Some of Baum's contacts with suffragists of his day seem to have inspired much of his second Oz story The Marvelous Land of Oz. In this story, General Jinjur leads the girls and women of Oz in a revolt, armed with knitting needles; they succeed and make the men do the household chores."
And how does that at all negate them writing a GOOD female character, instead of yet another Mary Sue that can do no wrong, and everyone loves, and is secretly beautiful even though she always thought she was just an average girl?
Honestly. People see "This female character sucks" nowadays and immediately assume it's because it's a woman, when really it's just a *beep* character who happens to be a woman.
I don't see a Mary Sue who can do no wrong. And where does she say she's just an average girl and everybody loves her? I think people like you see what they want to see because you hate women, and hate to see a female character in a lead role. You guys are all over IMDB whining about every heroine because it's not a man. Pathetic.
Who cares if the lead is a woman? My God, why is this even a thing....seriously guys. Grow up. Then of course comes the idiot who points out she isn't white.
And please explain the common tropes between Dorothy and the chick from Twilight. They are completely different types of characters, so your point makes zero sense. The Twilight girl is a wilting flower who constantly needs to be rescued by men, Dorothy is an impulsive but brave woman who shows strength when it's needed. Like many real life women are.