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It's it me or was Broadchurch better?

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Im not sure. I love both and they both have their faults. From what i see on here a lot of people dont like the female lead because she was on breaking bad, and having been one of the few who hasnt watched that series. i think she is doing an ok job playing Ellie! I think if there is one thing i liked about Gracepoint is the fact that it still could be anyone. In Boardchruch around this time we could rule out people, and at least have a gist of who the killer was, granted i was still surprised because i thought it was the Priest! With Gracepoint at least for me im still confused as to who is guilty and who is not! Granted if the killer isnt like in the original then my vote goes for Owen being the killer, but ive been wrong before.

I think people are just blinded by "fanboyism" while it may be an Americanized Boardchurch stop thinking of as that, and just see it as a story telling of a murdered boy and figure out who did it!

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I actually really enjoy both interpretations. It's such an interesting experiment, almost theater like with mostly different actors. I don't see why people can't enjoy both. The more David Tennant, the better.

I'm really invested in finding out who the killer is. Seems to me that they are sticking with the original theme: "How could you not know?" That narrows the pool of suspects down considerably (and of course rules Vince out). My guess is Tom Miller did it, that he is is his father's son (who would have helped clean it up)...would make it even darker than Broadchurch but there you go. Could be wrong, but I feel like the only other possibility is Mark, switching the wife/mother from Miller to Beth, unborn baby and all.

Owen doesn't really feel as close to Miller so I hesitate on suspecting him.

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Having watched both series, I will say this: I prefer Anna Gunn over the incredibly shrill Olivia Coleman as Ellie. Anna portrays Ellie in a more subtle way and is a bit more likeable than Olivia's version. Something about Olivia's voice grates on me! I also prefer Virginia Kull as Beth, I think she's doing an amazing job of conveying the pain and grief of loss. As always, David Tennant is brilliant in both series.

I think Broadchurch gets the edge over Gracepoint because it was out first, and the story was fresh and brand new to me, but I will admit that for an American remake, this is beautifully shot and very well done. My parents, who did not see Broadchurch are really enjoying Gracepoint.

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IMO, Olivia Colman is 10 times the actor Gunn will likely ever be (and I say that to illustrate how brilliant Colman is, not that I think Gunn is a horrible actress, cause she's not). To me, Colman was much, much better in the role. I can't even buy the idea that Gunn's Ellie is just some average, small town, sweet, love they neighbor kind of cop. She can't even sell that. She was a bad choice for this particular role.

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You are entitled to your opinion, I just feel that Olivia's voice is like listening to nails on a chalkboard....sorry!

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That's part of the reason why Olivia was so perfect for the role in Broadchurch. The voice helps sell her as a kind of plain jane, small town cop.

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True. I don't think the problem is the quality of either actress, but much more that the role seemed to be written around Colman and her personality. Often the casting of actors influences the role. In the case of a remake, this option is missing. Anna Gunn simply does not seem fragile enough. She is tall and seems robust. So her character should have reflected that. The dynamic between Gunn and Tennant would have been different, as she just seems she would be capable of ripping him apart with her bare hands.

This goes for the other characters as well. Some work better, some don't. Kevin Zeegers for example does not fit the role of a young guy being happy that girl gets interested into him. This does not make him a bad actor, it just makes him miscast for the role or maybe the adapted role mis-written for him.

This way the show never became what it could have been.

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that the role seemed to be written around Colman


It was. As he was writing the original, Chris Chibnall wrote a note on his white board which indicated Ellie should be played by someone "like Olivia Colman". He never thought they'd actually manage to cast her. After she was cast, he rediscovered the note. He also didn't think they'd get their first choice for Hardy, David Tennant, but they did.

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Overall I enjoyed watching both. I think Broadchurch gets the edge because it had the perfect twist ending. I think the need to change the ending for Gracepoint ruined it. The ending for Gracepoint was too contrived. One thing for sure is that if Gracepoint continues to season two, the storyline will have to go off in a different direction than the probable storyline of Broadchurch season two (which will be premiering in Britain in a couple of weeks) due to the "to be continued" ending of Gracepoint.

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For those who want to see Broadchurch and have Netflix- it will be available mid-December

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I think the problem with Tom being the murderer in "Broad church" is the method of Danny's murder. I think in "Broad church" they even said they were looking for a man or a woman with large hands, and if one remembers the size of Tom's hands in "Broad church," they were too small.

One thing that "Grace point" had over "Broad church," if Tom was suppose to be the killer, then the method of Danny's death at Tom's hands in "Grace point," even it was accidental, was more plausible than Tom killing Danny in "Broad church."

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It's all moot now that Broadchurch series 2 has finished airing, but I do think there was a way they could have twisted the Broadchurch murder to make Tom the killer and yet have the adult-sized hand marks on Danny's neck.

Broadchurch Tom could have smothered Danny into brain death. Joe, being medically trained, would know that it takes some minutes for the blood to coagulate and that he'd have some time to cover up for Tom by wrapping his hands around Danny's neck to make strangulation bruises.

And that would have been scarier for the Broadchurch audiences because in that case Tom suffocating Danny couldn't be an accident, the way Danny's death was in Gracepoint.

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I think that for most people, the one you watched first will be the one you prefer.
So most people saw the British version first, so that's why they like that one better.

I watched Gracepoint and now I'm watching Broadchurch.

Here are what I see are the differences and pluses and minuses of both.

I think Americans, particular FOX viewers, like fast-paced, action-oriented shows, and so Gracepoint was too slow-moving for them. It might have done better on cable, where other slow-moving shows like "The Killing" and "The Bridge" and "Longmire" did better, at least for a while.

I think a certain percentage of the audience had already watched Broadchurch, especially critics, so they couldn't enjoy Gracepoint because it was both too much the same and too different. It wasn't EXACTLY the same but it was enough the same that it's hard to watch. I'm finding the same problem with having watched Broadchurch so soon after Gracepoint.

I think that in trying to Americanize it, they focused more on the emotions and the way people reacted, and so it was more over-wrought. I think that in particular Danny's mom was too unemotional in BC, whereas in GP she was just right. I thought the priest was much more likable and normal in BC. I think GP characters were creepier, almost like Twin Peaks, and more normal in BC. The actor who played Paul was good in GP but he was very unlikable. I thought the actor who played Danny's dad in GP was awful and not a very good actor. I thought all of the other actors in both shows were great. I thought Nick Nolte was much more convincing as a possible child molester.

I loved seeing David Tennant in both, and I thought his American accent was fine. I think that his character was far more obnoxious in GP than in BC.

There were a few changes in GP, like the prior romantic relationship between Paul and Beth seemed non-existent in BC but was a big plot point in GP. Beth's mom was not around in GP at all from what I recall.

I'm still watching BC, but I read that the ending is very similar. It's too bad they canceled GP. I really enjoyed it.

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Nice analysis, Suzanne. I agree: the first version you see is the one you prefer. It's hard not to watch the second without constantly comparing.
One thing that didn't work as well in GP: Susan thinking her son was the murderer, mistaking Joe for him. The two men didn't really look alike at all. In BC, the counterpart characters were both baldies, so her mistake made more sense (while underscoring how much of a stranger her son is to her).

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I decided fairly early in watching Gracepoint that I'd look at it as a course in the difference between UK and American TV writing, acting and production.

I managed to find some sources for Broadchurch online so I could go and watch it against Gracepoint. Generally, the Gracepoint scenes cut a line here or there that didn't matter to the plot, but took away some of the richness of the original scene. Establishing shots were also pared down, like the pan shot through the Latimers' house as Beth awoke and went downstairs. That was missing from Gracepoint. Again, not huge for the plot, but the imagery enriched the story.

One of the big differences I noticed was eye contact between the characters. When Hardy and Ellie visited the Latimers to confirm Danny's death, Ellie and the Latimers were giving lots of eye contact with each other. The Solanos and Ellie, in the parallel scene in Gracepoint, avoided each other's eyes. The difference was I felt the Latimers' grief more than the Solanos'. We don't know whether the American writers scripted the lack of eye contact or whether the director chose it (though it was the same director, James Strong).

Through the entire series, there was only one scene I preferred in Gracepoint and that was the exchange between Carver (Hardy) and Ellie over the CSI (SOCO) asking her out. Where Olivia Colman's Ellie commented "they've had their hands everywhere", Tennant as Carver in GP delivered the line as "could be useful, they put their hands everywhere".

All in all, it was little changes here and there that made the difference for me.

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I watched the last five episodes of Gracepoint first (I knew there was a British version and couldn't remember the name). Then I watched Broadchurch, and I think is was a lot better.

I hated the change in GP's ending, I hate the need for writers to make it nobody's fault.

"Oh, it was a tragic accident. There was a misunderstanding. This person was covering for this person." Way to be noncommittal.



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