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The hypocrisy is stunning


This writer nailed it.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/01/not-your-asian-ninja-how-the-marvel-cinematic-universe-keeps-failing-asian-americans.html

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Look, I, like every other Asian-American geek in the country, was on board with the#AAIronFist petition, which asked Marvel to consider casting an Asian-American actor as the traditionally white kung fu superhero Danny Rand. I have nothing against Finn Jonesas an actor and I think he could probably do a reasonable job with a “faithful” adaptation of the Iron Fist character. Just like I didn’t think it was a necessity that the racially ambiguous Dr. Strange be cast as an Asian guy, although making his faithful manservant Chinese felt like a slap to the face.

But here’s what gets me: They did do a “race lift” of a martial arts-oriented character. They took Elektra Natchios, who, if you couldn’t tell from her name, is supposed to be Greek, and cast the French-Cambodian actress Elodie Yung to play her. In order to justify this casting choice they radically changed Elektra’s backstory, making her an adopted child of the Greek ambassador Hugo Natchios rather than his biological daughter and removing the daddy issues between her and Hugo that—in case you couldn’t tell from the not-very-subtle reference in her name—played a big role in her original characterization.


All of this is exactly the same as what people asked for when they asked for kung fu superhero Iron Fist to be an Asian guy. “Danny Rand” could easily be the name of an Asian kid adopted by a Caucasian family. All the stuff in Danny Rand’s story about him being a Mighty Whitey outsider to “kung fu” culture could be about an Asian-American guy reconnecting with legends and folklore he’d long dismissed as irrelevant to him. We even have precedent for that in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, with Stellan Skarsgard’s Dr. Selvig’s incredulous reaction to the absurdity of his childhood stories of Thor and Loki being real.

But for whatever reason, they decided against that. They were willing to “racebend” one well-known character—one who’s already had a movie where she was played by Jennifer Garner—but not a much more obscure character who, unlike Elektra, was the focus of a massive community demand for positive representation.

So what gives? What are the differences between those two characters?
Just off the top of my head: Elektra isn’t the hero of her own story, and Danny Rand is. Elektra isn’t really heroic at all, in fact, while Danny Rand is. Elektra, in all her portrayals, is an amoral killer who’s a foil for Matt Murdock’s morality, and in this particular portrayal she’s some sort of inherently evil demonic killing machine. Danny Rand, by contrast, is an ordinary likable guy in over his head trying to do his best—the kind of Everyman hero we’re used to seeing played by white guys named Chris.

Finally—and this is the big one—Elektra is a hot chick who’s there as a love interest for a white guy main character to lust after, and for the audience to lust after by extension in various sex scenes and half-naked fight scenes. Danny Rand is a guy, and therefore of less interest to fetishists, thanks to the racial preference hierarchy that says Asian women get to be sex objects and Asian men get to be invisible.


It is a double standard. And the writer is correct that Electra, thanks to a motion picture made about her, was arguably the more well known character among mainstream audiences. And yet TPTB had no issue in changing her racial identity and tweaking her origin story to boot.

What I also noticed was how few fans objected to this. Which demonstrated a pattern among fanboys, or more specifically, white fanboys. When the race bending took place for a character that was NOT a white male character there was far less outrage (Think: Electra, Iris West, Sunspot, Terry Fitzgerald of the Spawn film, Alicia Masters of the F4 movies from ahwile back....hell Sue Storm of those same F4 movies considering Jessica Alba ain't exactly white). But let that racebending happen to a white male character (even though 95% of the heroes and villains in comic book history are white males) and white fanboys lose their minds.

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Keep on crying about it. Iron Fist is a white dude sorry.

Glorious glory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnPK70PLlk

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I thought we were over this. Can we be over it now?

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Danny Rand is only the latest in a long line of Iron Fists from many diverse backgrounds. I really hope they incorporate flashbacks to previous Iron Fists to connect with the current one.

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This is a troll post right? There was outrage for all the ones you mentioned.

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The OP is a bit racist (not that race exists since it is a fake construct to promote division). But if they had made him Asian wouldn't that be typecasting? I am not sure I would mind would handle a smooth transition for a Inuit, Hispanic, Cambodian, Thai, Etrian, Nigerian, Irish, Russian wonder-woman...why because our mind like consistency, they do not like to be wrong and do not like having to make corrections. I hated will smith in Wild Wild west because there were plenty of actors that looked like the TV actor that could have been great, but will was the in person so they went with him. Perhaps our racist ass country decided to hire a black guy as the lead in the Secret Service...but my mind said whaaaa? If Foxy Brown, Shaft, John Henry, etc where white it would piss me off as fast. If Alfred was not a white British butler I would be so annoyed. If Sulu was not Japanese-American (honestly what does that even mean, does that make me a European-American, are "native" Americans also Asian-Americans, but in the longer run are we all African-Americans? Perhaps we should all be named for the DNA strands that deal with skin tone and facial structure, but include a shorthand for geographical lineage since many people can look like alike even if they are not from the same location?) ...the point was what if they had Sulu played by someone from Korea instead of Japan? (I did like they made him openly gay in the newest movie, it always bugged me a future series was so Victorian in its senses as times) I think we need heroes to make sense for their location. Ironfist could be altered to make an Asian since his story has him learning from there, but his masters were all from the location (another dimension, so not really Asian?) but let's just say Asian, that means he was taught his powers by a more enlightened people, and spoiler alert they were not white! I think the OP is missing the point, instead of trying to PCwash history (like whitewashing, and just as bad), perhaps we need new heroes that represent our world, not just this commercialized re-branding of brands to maximize profit and try and add cred to said brand.

Also Jason Scot Lee played in the Jungle Book, Dragon, and Map of the Human heart. I liked him in his movies, but a guy that is a mix of Hawaiian and Chinese playing an Indian, and Inuit, and a guy from China...I was always a bit annoyed...it would be like an Irishman or an American playing Robin Hood.

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Interesting article. At first I was okay with Danny Rand as a white guy, but now I'm really open to an Asian Danny Rand. I'm still okay with current Danny Rand. But now I'm thinking of potentially lost opportunities.

"Not all change is progress, as not all movement is forward."

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If they wanted to incorporate an asian martial arist, then why the hell not just bring in Shang-Chi?

Danny has always been white in the comics to my knowledge.

Seriously tired of this diversity simply for the sake of diversity bullsh*t.

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He is white in the comics. This why this is all confusing to me.

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