No matter what anyone says lance still won those tours against other drug cheats. I still respect him and find him quite likeable , I can't stand all the whiners like Bessie andriu and David Walsh.
Lance deserves a second chance after all he raised $500 million for cancer , who gives a sh*t about cycling anyway.
Bravo. You are one of the few intelligent people who actually "get it." If they are all doping, how is it cheating? It is just leveling up the playing field. There were all doping! And Lance still won it seven times.
Not to mention LIVE STRONG!!! Lance has done so much for sick children and cancer treatments/research. An inspiration for millions. Our sick modern society just likes building these heroes up and then tearing them down. It is what feeds the media and the 24/7 news cycles.
Everyone falls into two categories:
A good person that has done some bad things or a bad person that has done some good things.
Which do you think Lance is? Personally I am not sure. I respect him as an athlete and the amount of money he has raised for Cancer awareness. I do not respect the lies he told and careers he took down to prove his point and protect his brand.
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But when somebody dislikes him for the sake of him being tested for drugs,
it upsets me. This man was an incredible athlete no matter what and should be
respected. He still kicked ass and trained his ass off. The drugs just took
him to that level, there's still a lot of athletes on drugs who haven't been
tested positive and they're not even close to the level of greatness Lance was
at. At that level of professionalism you work for the drugs and not the other
way around.
I forgive him for taking performance enhanced drugs. Because everybody was doing it, and he came out on top, and he still worked his ass off, he was a great athlete.
However, i do NOT forgive him for all the bullying and lying. He literally threatened people who wanted to be honest. And he got away with it because of all the money and power. He is a sad human being, a scumbag, a small man. In fact quite disgusting!
So as an athlete i respect, as a person ABSOLUTELY NOT!
- "is this the secret headquarters of the gestapo?"
- "It was"
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shareOk ab3317,
But the "athletic side" of him was a liar whose every comment about the sport was made in direct opposition to what he was actually doing. He claimed he was clean for YEARS while actively juicing and behaving like a pompous ass towards every other rider he competed against and every country he competed in. It doesn't matter how hard you train, how hard you work or how much you win if all of it was done under false pretenses generated by the athlete himself. Lance Armstrong is the poster child for lying about everything in service of his own self-promotion. An "incredible athlete" is one who doesn't cheat to win and then lie about all of it when he takes the sport down with him. I'm not arguing his work ethic, how hard he trained or what he had to overcome to get back to racing after his diagnosis. I'm saying that if you don't or can't do it clean, then it doesn't count.
By the way, advocating and accepting the use and abuse of drugs in any professional sport only serves to make the honest achievements of people who don't dope to compete, less important, valuable and worthwhile. At the same time it also tells the kids who follow those sports that if they want to be successful, if they want to win, they have to juice too. Shame on you for making the use of drugs to compete in sports not just acceptable but necessary…. to take "them to that level". A level you claim cannot be won without the drugs these sports have banned.
And my statement says you can't separate a man from his behavior or his actions. No matter how hard he trained and worked, it was always accompanied by his lies. He turned a sport that was admired and respected around the world into a circus of lies and deceit. His work and training ethic was part of that too. He brought The Tour de France under the public spotlight and then shattered it through his own achievements. As I see it, he's a far better liar than he ever was an athlete and he had to practice and work at that too.
"Sir, can we take a break? It appears my intelligence circuits have melted." Kryton/Red Dwarf
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Yes alibaba,
As far as I'm concerned, it is still cheating. Especially when everyone else is doing it. Because we're creating a culture that doesn't just condone cheating, it encourages it. We make cheaters into heroes and role models and we take away any chance at all for the guy who just works as hard as he can to win to be able to win; because being human isn't enough anymore…. Think about that. Being a human isn't good enough. So now there are drug enhancements for sports and plagiarism checks for HS and college papers and people can't work successfully in a group atmosphere in an office anymore because it doesn't give them a good enough angle to stick a knife into someone else's back.
Once you make cheating an acceptable norm, then it becomes the baseline for behavior all across the board. Me, I admire the few people left who climb Everest without oxygen tanks. Because they believe if you can't make it to the top on what you've trained your own body to do, then you don't have the right to stand there. To those tough bastards, OXYGEN is a cheat! I'd like to see Armstrong try to stand up to that level of training and commitment. I'd like to see anybody try to do that. That is what athletic competition used to be about. Doing the most you could to get your body to perform at its peak and then compete with others who've done the same.
Steroids, Human Growth Hormones and all the other crap that comes with it is just a lie and a cheat. Whether it's done by just one person or by everyone on the field. But that's just what I believe. However antiquated and ridiculous it may seem… and no, matter of fact I'm not high. But that's rather the point isn't it.
"Sir, can we take a break? It appears my intelligence circuits have melted." Kryton/Red Dwarf
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The man is a nasty psychopath and anybody who is willing to look the other way when he leaves a trail of victims is either dumb, evil or both.
shareHe seems like a scumbag. It's not so much the drug use, as I think that's just an unfortunate thing all over numerous competitive sports, but he was such an insufferable prick who would threaten and was willing to ruin anyone's lives if his "secret" was going to be exposed.
He always seemed so phony and emotionless when he spoke, like a cold narcissistic sociopath incapable of any empathy or feelings beyond himself.