What is love to an atheist?


I watched the movie today and it got me thinking a lot. The idea of having nothing after dead and no God gets me to think of something.

I googled my question to google and I came up with this. http://www.strangenotions.com/atheists-love/

I'd like to hear your opinions on this. My intentions are not to offend atheists. I just want to understand how it works.

By the way, Stephen Hawking is a perfect example of the 'problem of evil' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil - a common hypothesis to why there is no God, I believe.

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I just stumbled upon this thread.

I'm an atheist. I was raised by apathetic agnostics. I've never been to church. Never been baptized. Never had a traditional religious education.

I'm not offended by your question, but I am fascinated. It never occurred to me that someone might assume that I would love "differently". Is love thought by Christians to be based on religious faith? On belief in a higher power?

fascinating.

As for your post about the roof emergency: wouldn't that depend on the individual, much as it would with the range of theists?

cheers


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well, when you don't believe in God, or in a better place to the one we are living now, the question "what's the point" does come to mind

I see a lot of atheist say that like, we should try to be better persons, build a better society, a better future, dicover new things, etc... Well, ok, but, what's in it for us living the terrible now?

Wich actualy brings to one thing I notice while watching that series Cosmos. That show doesn't mention a creator nor anything like that, however, it has a VERY STRONG RELIGIOUS RETORIC. The guy keeps talking about wonders and possibilitys exactly like a preacher. It kind of showed me that even if you'r an atheist, you still have faith in something, even if you don't think you do;

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There is satisfaction that is gained from making the world a better place or contributing to Society. I never understood this whole idea of "what's the point, then?". The point is you derive your own meaning from whatever you want. I don't believe in God, but I love living. Just being alive is enough of a motivation.

Your thoughts on Cosmos are inaccurate. There is no religious rhetoric and there is no "faith" in the sense you are using it. You do realize words often have several meanings and common usages right? When NDT says "wonder" he means an overwhelming sense of curiosity and excitement. When he talks about possibilities, it's how the knowledge we gain opens up new areas of knowledge that we never had before. That's exciting. There is nothing that has to do with faith.

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I've never really had a "whats the point" period".
I live very "golden rule" like... which it seems most major cultures do, regardless of their belief in a higher power.

Fascinating.

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I see a lot of atheist say that like, we should try to be better persons, build a better society, a better future, dicover new things, etc... Well, ok, but, what's in it for us living the terrible now?


When atheists do good things, they do it because they want to, because they recognize that good things are positive things for humanity and society in general and because they are good people.

When religious people do good things, they do it because they expect a reward at the end of it and because they don't want to be punished.

Which has the greater meaning?

Can a person that can't see the point in doing good things without expecting a reward or to avoid being punished even be considered truly good...?

An atheist is infinitely more admirable and good because his good deeds are selfless, they come from the heart and his only interest is too actually promote the good itself.

People who can't be good people and do good things without the promise of heaven are either too weak-minded or not naturally good at all.

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When religious people do good things, they do it because they expect a reward at the end of it and because they don't want to be punished
So if a person (who so happens to be religious) volunteers her time at a dog rescue shelter and fosters several homeless dogs, then she is only doing this because she wants to score points with her god? Is it really that inconceivable to you that her reason for helping these dogs is because she cares about dogs.

Theists are just as capable of loving dogs as atheists. Belief in gods (or lack thereof) is not a prerequisite for wanting to help out Rover. For example, I’m an atheist and my mother is a theist (Christian) … and while we may argue about religious issues until the sun goes down, we both care about dogs very much.

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Its perfectly possible for a religious person to be both religious and a good person.

But, in that case, being religious is irrelevant for the fact that that person is good, because that person would be good even if he/she wasn't religious.

A person like that does good things not expecting a reward or to avoid punishment and that's why he/she is truly good.

And that's exactly my point. Doing good things simply because they are good, without any strings attached, is what's really admirable.

The reasons that most religions gives us to be good (because god wants us to, because we go to heaven, because otherwise we go to hell) are all reasons appealing to our selfish side of getting a reward or avoiding punishment. Which makes them less admirable, frankly.

A fair God would more quickly reward an atheist that is truly a good person, than a religious person who simply does good things because religion told him/her that she/he would go to heaven and that otherwise she/he would be punished.

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Its perfectly possible for a religious person to be both religious and a good person.
I know and agree with you. However, what you are saying now is contradictory to what you said before.

Before: Religious people only do good things to score points with their gods.

Now: Religious people can do good things for reasons other than scoring points with their gods.
But, in that case, being religious is irrelevant for the fact that that person is good, because that person would be good even if he/she wasn't religious.
I agree, that was the point of my last post. Whether you are a good/bad person has absolutely nothing to do with religion. You have good theists/atheists and you have jerk theists/atheists.
The reasons that most religions gives us to be good (because god wants us to, because we go to heaven, because otherwise we go to hell) are all reasons appealing to our selfish side of getting a reward or avoiding punishment. Which makes them less admirable,
Agreed, but this doesn’t mean all good deeds performed by religious people are motivated by selfish desires.
A fair God would more quickly reward an atheist that is truly a good person...
Wouldn’t a fair god reward a good person regardless of whether he was atheist or theist? Why just “an atheist that is a truly a good person.”

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However, what you are saying now is contradictory to what you said before.


At most you could argue that my post was incomplete. I was trying to convey a particular point, not trying to deny that religious people can be truly good people.

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That's making the assumption that now is terrible.
As an atheist, I don't make that assumption. Now is now. It is what it is, because it is what we have made. We are better off as humans now than we have been at any point in the past. In toto (with, of course, exceptions obviously) our lives are longer, our wars are less bloody, our sicknesses less horrifying, our understanding of the world more expansive, our needs more satisfied.
In general, we no longer lose more than half our children before their 5th birthday. We no longer go into childbirth unsure if we will come out of it alive. When these things happen it is considered unimaginable tragedy rather than a common happening.
The world is full of as much awesome and wonderful as it is with awful and terrible. The point of life is to live it. To do our best with what we have given, to improve the world around us, to make it into the one we would ideally like to live in, and do our best to be good to ourselves and others along the way.

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Even though I don't consider myself an Atheist I'm still not religious. Yes, I do believe in love including love at first sight. Love is like life in which we don't fully understand how it works. But we don't have to understand how it works in order to enjoy it. Also Ninety percent of Americans believe in true love and twenty percent are not religious. As you can see their are plenty of Atheist that believe in love.

Sources: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/ninety-percent-of-americans-believe-in-true-love-says-new-survey-2210047.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/09/pew-20-of-americans-are-now-atheist-agnostic-or-unaffiliated-with-a-religion/

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Humans love. Theists believe in God.

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If humans have no soul, and are merely evolutionary advanced animals, is ‘love’ anything more than instinct or hormones?


Pretty much. And nothing wrong with that.


When mommy says to her one year old, “I love you,” the atheist says she is not expressing anything metaphysical or spiritual. In fact, says the atheist, the mother is verbalizing the instinct to preserve her species, just as a mommy zebra protects and fosters the growth of the baby zebra. That’s it. Nothing more. It is instinct combined with verbal tags. When a parent “loves” her child, she is just adding a verbal cue to an advanced evolutionary instinct to carry on the species.


Yup.

When a man says, “I love you,” to his wife, he is simply expressing something about his hormonal levels toward her as a mate. What he is really saying is, “My hormones surge for you,” not “You are my soul mate,” because the atheist doesn’t believe in souls or metaphysical connections between humans.


Unless you're speaking to a Buddhist, who are atheists, but i'm assuming the writer meant people who question everything and anything spiritual and supernatural.

But in any case: uh huh.

Incidentally, a man’s hormones might start surging for another woman (or several women) at some point. The same man might also be ready to say, “I love you,” to these new women, too.


Which happens all the time, to both the religious and so-called "godless heathens".

If there is no soul, then there is only the bubbling of the brain. There is only the response to stimuli and hormones. Yet Catholics root love in the soul. The problem for atheists, of course, is that the soul is a metaphysical reality that assumes the existence of God, or at least the supernatural.


Not really a problem, more like a reality the writer has a hard time accepting (that the soul does not exist).


When I love a friend, as a Christian, I mean, “I love you, body and soul.” But for an atheist, friendship is an evolved behavior related to living in a pack or herd or tribe. At root it has to do with self-protection and food acquisition.


Yup, but we can all pretend we're much more important than that if it makes you feel better.

We can pretend we live on after death despite no such evidence for that. We can believe our amazing ways to figure out space travel and physics is "divine" instead of a really complex series of abilities that is inherit of our evolutionary process. We can all believe that our time here on earth is "special" despite the fact we are all doomed to be worm food like many of the other animals that come and go at a more rapid pace on this earth.

Or we can treat phrases like "love you, body and soul" as nothing more than beautiful metaphorical prose to enhance our brief time on this earth and make it more special than take it literally. Like believing in a fairytale literally instead of taking away the beautiful message it has to help enrich our own lives.


I'd be interested in hearing how other atheists, besides Dawkins, would describe “love” to their daughters. I'd also like someone to help clarify Dawkins' claim that, “There are outside things to back up the inside feeling: looks in the eye, tender notes in the voice, little favors and kindnesses; this is all real evidence.”

What is this “inside/outside” dichotomy? It sure sounds like what we Christians have called “soul/body” for over 2,000 years.


It's actually stimuli, but you can pretend it's celestial if it makes you sleep at night.

Stuff like this reminds me of "Movie Poop Shoot.com" from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

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I'm not an atheist or agnostic, in fact, I am a Christian. But I do know a lot of atheists of all different kinds. In fact, my best friend is an atheist. All of these people feel love because it's just the way humans work. I'm not sure how, but it just is. As a Christian, I know the bible says that you can't be a Christian without love, but it does not say that those who do not believe can't love. I believe we are all children of God, so therefore we are all capable of love.

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Oh dear! This takes the prize for the daftest question I've ever seen online. Absolutely bonkers.

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I'm an atheist, in that I find the belief in a 'Creator' or deity to be quite daft. Agnostic might also fit, in that I doubt an absolute proof of 'God' will be found, and Apatheism might also work, in that I don't mind if someone believes in God as long as they don't try and convert me.

I've never considered love to have any religious attachment, and I'm quite shocked to think that 'religion' would try to appropriate it. But I suppose some people take the 'God is Love' line seriously. I'm in the 'Love is a chemical reaction' camp. I say hand out the oxytocin to the ladies and the vasopressin to the men...

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