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This movie could have been great

posted 9 years ago by jd_dotcom
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With better editing and casting. Sam Jackson was awful - hes a terrible actor.
The Harry Hart and Eggsy characters were great.
I hated the MeDonalds commercial - the product placement.
The background music was overly dramatic.
Some of the tests were awful - of course you don't send anyone out of a plane without a parachute.
You don't order someone to kill their dog without a reason.

The bar scene Harry Hart was great. Then in the end when Eggsy "became" the new Harry was great too.

[–] Youkilledmypine 9 years ago

They all had parachutes and the dog was facing a blank. Thankfully, folk of your internet prowess are busy slating great films instead of making them.

[–] jd_dotcom 9 years ago

Yeah I know they all had parachutes - so all of that overly dramatic background music was pointless.

And asking someone to kill their dog without any reason is pointless too - just to see if they have become a mindless robot that isnt capable of making decisions on their own?

And how did they "convert" the Michael Caine character so easily?

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[–] Youkilledmypine 9 years ago

Overly dramatic music? Nope, at this point we were to assume Mark Strong's character was telling the truth.
What organisation would ask you to kill a dog? Funnily enough Bill Paxton asked someone to do the same in Agents of SHIELD the other year.
Matt Vaughan explained to Empire magazine ages ago (and this'll be badly paraphrased)that people had gotten glass jaws in long running institutions, noting a failure to adapt to the times. This could easily be signified by the execution of the agent at the ski lodge near the start, or indeed by asking a trainee to kill a dog. Which had clearly been going on for decades as Colin Firth's dog lived to a ripe old age and subsequently stuffed.

The main problem people seem to have on this board is forgetting that Fleming wrote Bond as a spoof. The idea someone could get out of a wetsuit with a perfectly pressed suit should've been a giveaway. Since then the term has been more associated with extreme examples of the sub genres. As if in response to Austin Powers, Bond followed Bourne and are now largely dour affairs where the least likely thing to happen in real life is how Bond managed to get his car into Europe and bypass the DVLA paperwork during SPECTRE.
Vaughan wanted to make spy films fun again. He did that. It was a spoof of a spoof.
At the very least he gave more lines to Mark Hamill in this than The Force Awakens.

[–] JohnnyQuid1 9 years ago

You could add to that the underwater test - punching through anything whilst underwater seems very unlikely, much less that two-way mirror thing that superman eggsy was able to punch through lol..

"Or at this point would it be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?"

[–] jd_dotcom 9 years ago

That's right, you cant generate enough speed underwater to break that glass - especially glass strong enough to hold back all that water.

[–] julianmarq 9 years ago

This movie was great.

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[–] Ithilfaen 9 years ago

I agree on most points but the worse by far is *beep* Jackson. How does this ridiculous moron keep getting parts? He must be well connected.

When I saw the trailer, I thought it looked like a decent Hot Fuzz spy movie but Jackson got on my nerves already so I decided not to go see it in the theatre.

Then I thought, can't be that bad. Wrong. Jackson ruins the movie with his ridiculous lisp and over the top acting. The movie works with everyone else because they do not act like *beep* morons, they act like they would in a serious movie.

The product placement was just like Jackson: out of place and over the top.

I do disagree on the last two points though. It made sense in the context of the movie.
They didn't send anyone without a parachute but it was important for them to believe one of them could die, to test their team spirit and to see if they could "think on their feet"  while under intense pressure.

Same with the dog. The gun was loaded with blanks so they didn't need them to shoot the dog, they needed to see if they could obey an order even if they didn't want to.

So they had reasons.

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

[–] marthalorusso 9 years ago

Despite I like Jackson, that lisp was really annoying and distracting.

I think the whole church massacre ruined the movie. It was an excessive ultra-violent overdose. Without that unnecessary murder fest, this movie could have been great.

[–] rpe78 9 years ago

Well I disagree with everything you said, but I respect your opinion nonetheless.

[–] DrIdaho 9 years ago

This movie could have been great with a funnier script and a faster pace. Instead it resulted in being mostly unfunny and the movie dragged on too long.

[–] MoviemanCin 9 years ago

I think it is great. I give it an 8/10.

Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar and doesn't.

[–] DrIdaho 8 years ago

I gave it a 4/10.

[–] washclothrepairman 8 years ago

It was great.

The tests were fine. You can't have pussies and incompetents in the Kingsman. That's why the tests are unsettling and dangerous.

Never trust a black man named "Chip." 

[–] rindercella 8 years ago

It was great. Especially Colin's scenes.

"Guys like you don't die on toilets." Mel Gibson-Riggs, Lethal Weapon

[–] DrIdaho 8 years ago

It was great. Especially Colin's scenes.

The scenes were dull and boring.