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What were your worse moments in TRoS?

posted 5 years ago by Rorikon (17855)
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Where to begin...

Showed potential at the start but fell hard flat as they shoe horned everything onto the final movie really quick with scene change effects after scene change effects.

-Rey is seen training pretty skillfully with the lightsaber (even more than Luke who only just stood around playing with the target bot on the Falcon + creepy Yoda ride) but when the battles play out, clash clash HRGHHH, clash clash HRGHHH where they just stare at each other. No wicked swordplay or saber throws we saw at the beginning.

-C3PO acted normal after the memory wipe. Whoever built him sucked in the sense they though C3PO was human or something. They literally just wiped his memories of people he's met on his journey but kept the databanks intact.

-Rey went beyond Mary Sue. Even beyond what Luke or Anakin could've accomplished. She became powerful woman like Ms.Marvel. The one to bring balance to the force was nothing compared to her. She could deflect laser bolts (Vader only absorbed Han's bolts) via hand, halt a ship from escaping, already knows how to use persuasion, felt Chewie out from much longer distances, can heal wounds as if they were nothing, can summon all the Jedi spirits like Goku in DBZ. Pretty sure when you're born a force sensitive user, you don't possess skills of parents (besides midichlorian count), they're taught... but apparently she just knows how to use powers she's never learned or really needed to.

-Spent most of their budget on that final battle scene instead of writing a more thought out story. You can see that when they threw in thousands of CGI ships in.

-How the hell was everyone able to navigate so well through the nebula without a scratch? Even large ass ships were able to enter it and dodge the intricate turns and things to avoid within. Palpatine planned this for so long yet still failed so hard. What's worse is they didn't even have a shield generator to protect it let alone put it on another planet like Endor.

-When resistance fighters entered Exegol's atmosphere, the Allegiant General that served under Palpatine for a long time said something along the lines of "Fire/Arm ion cannons." Ion cannons disable ships vs the counterpart of turbolasers. Ion cannons are light blue while turbolasers are green which they were all firing with.

-Movie moves the plot forward with "I have a feeling" remark. Oh noes, the antennae that directs the star destroyers out of the system/atmosphere is off so how will we find out whose leading them?
Finn: That one
Poe: How do you know?
Finn: I have a feeling
*ding ding* plot moves forward on a guess/hunch/whatever which happens more than once like when they got onto Kylo's destroyer and were able to navigate it to get where they needed to go.

-After sucking the souls of Kylo and Rey, Palpatine has a huge orgasm where he shoots his electric jizz into the atmosphere disabling only the resistance ships. With such a huge amount of power, you'd think the force lightning/chain lighting would've short circuited/fried the electronics along with disabling them but nope, that would make too much sense but it was left out to keep the plot moving forward.

-You'd think after his battle with Yoda and other great adversaries that Palpatine would use something else other than force lighting. Twice he's done it where the rival channeled his lightning into one spot and cancelled his power out the latter being his own death.

-How the fuck does one have the ability to develop plant killing Star Destroyers? Seriously. Episodes 1-8 we've established it needed huge amounts of power to generate such a beam and force to destroy a planet from Death Star I-II to Starkiller Base and now all of sudden to just individual destroyers in 9?

-Poe mentions the "Holdo Maneuver" and we see a lot of hyperspace skipping at the beginning. They've really taken on that move to the max. Changed everything in how battles are handled. In the final scene where we see destroyers being destroyed, we see one seen where it showed the contrails of hyperspace through a destroyer indicating someone else used this maneuver to wipe the ship out...

-Magically if you're force light, you know how to heal people too just like how Kylo did for Rey by ghosting himself like the little bitch he was.

-If astral projection Luke could grab a lightsaber and force lift his old T-65 X-wing out of the water, why the fuck can't he battle or do other mischief things against the First Order? He literally can phase through shit.

-CGI Maz Kanata and young Luke/Leia were too distracting and badly made. Maz's contrasting colors didn't mold well with the surroundings and young Luke/Leia looked like they were made with DeepFake facial attachment. There is a good way to do it and then we have these bad ones.

-Rose Tico was insignificant through the film. She even looked like she had problems huffing it up the small hill when we see her gritting her teeth.

Overall:
Return of The Jedi -> Rise of Skywalker -> Last Jedi

[–] FootOfDavros (8142) 5 years ago

If astral projection Luke could grab a lightsaber and force lift his old T-65 X-wing out of the water

Glad I won't see this - pretty much the key moment lost from TLJ which may have possibly saved that film, even given the space cow breast milking which had come before...

What about Luke / Leia knowing Rey was a Palps all along? Is that right - pretty sure I read that somewhere on another thread...

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

You went to see the movie so your criticism is moot. Disney thanks you for the money.

[–] Rorikon (17855) 5 years ago

Actually I have an all access card for my select theaters as long as I bring someone along that pays the full price so I technically saw it for free.

[–] mrbnk (419) 5 years ago

Then you don't get to bitch.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

That makes no sense.

[–] triplea (3577) 5 years ago

Yeah except if it was any good the fans would be seeing it 10 times instead of once.

disney opportunity loss.

[–] Cinegeek (17) 5 years ago

You made a lot of good points. I'll add a few of mine.

- Poe can just hyperskip all over the place in the Falcon even when he's inside a planets atmosphere surrounded by obstacles but Han Solo, who was more familiar with the ship had to explain to Luke that they couldn't just jump to hyperspace without doing some calculations they could fly into a star, etc.

- Lukes X-wing was submerge in water for what 20-30 years and they just raised it and Rey was able to fly it. The power source and engines are just fine being underwater all that time. The interior would be completely deteriorated but other than a little weathering on the outside it looked and functioned just like any other X-Wing in the fleet.

- Rey was able to sense Chewie later in the film but couldn't sense that he was on a different ship when she thought she had killed him.

- If Rey can levitate then why did she seem so concerned and have to struggle so much when she was climbing around in the Death Star wreckage. Why didn't she just levitate up to the top where she needed to be.

- Luke Skywalker searched for the stupid Sith dagger and finally gave up but Rey and the gang practically tripped over it the first place they went and looked. They wouldn't have even been in the right place if their skiffs didn't blow up and drop them in the quicksand or whatever that crap was.

- Why the hell do Kylo Ren and Rey both hold their lightsabers backwards so often. Grab something shaped like a sword and swing it at something. You have less control, less reach and less power when you hold it like that and it's ridiculous that either of them would choose to fight that way but the fact that they both do it is just moronic.

- To retrieve a piece of data from C-3POs memory you have to format his memory? That's like if your computer has a locked file but to retrieve it you have to erase everything else. He couldn't translate Sith but what's to keep him from just telling telling them where to go.

[–] Cinegeek (17) 5 years ago

This movie was poorly written and created by people who have no understanding or respect for the original stories. They throw stupid plot lines together that are just too convenient. They just happen to fall into the tunnels where the thing they're looking for is, they just happen to be standing at the exact right place when they realize the dagger lines up with the wreckage and points to the location of the thing they're looking for, Finn just has a hunch that the ship he shoots is the one that's directing the fleet now, Chewbacca just happened to be on a different transport.

Everything was just too convenient and nothing that happened had any consequences except for Kylo's sacrifice and by the time that happened I really didn't even care anymore. He went good then bad then good then back to bad so much I just wanted him to go away and was happy when he finally did. Anakin was a whiney turd in the prequels which really hurts my perception of Vader in the original trilogy. Kylo being his emo grandson and idolizing him makes perfect sense. Its about the only thing in the entire sequel trilogy that does make sense.

[–] tmoldovan (35) 5 years ago

Hear hear.
I myself liked Kylo, but agree with everything you’ve said. Nothing matters, and there is no consistency.
Storywriting went out of the window.

What was up with the awkward love pentagon (5 people)? Finn and Rose seemed to have something going on in TLJ, but now Finn kinda has a thing for Rey, as does Poe, but in the end Rey is planting a wet one on Ben?

Who is the last jedi? Is it Rey? What’s with the broom boy?

Why did they bring “horses” into a space battle?

Edit: pointles cameos.. what was Dominic Monaghan (whom I like as an actor) doing in there with a couple of one liners?

This movie made the prequel trilogy look better by comparison.

[–] FootOfDavros (8142) 5 years ago

Anakin was a whiney turd in the prequels which really hurts my perception of Vader in the original trilogy

That's madness - as with the DT you don't have to consider the PT canon. They even specifically countered the OT storylines to make it quite simple to ignore them.

[–] Rorikon (17855) 5 years ago

-It's the "I have a feeling" moments to keep progression to the story. We'll just have to assume Poe had a feeling when to hyperspace and return to normal space because he's 'special'. He literally as you mentioned random jumped into many places at once including a dune like worm right in a planets atmosphere. Even hyperspaced through a wall of ice to escape the Tie Fighters chasing them. Magically the Tie Fighters were able to chase him on the dot as well and keep pace but still got easily owned.

-I remember when Yoda lifted Luke's X-Wing out but I wasn't sure how long it was submerged in water for during his training with him. Pretty sure the duration was much shorter but I see your point in this. Personally I passed it off and was more WTF on astral Luke being able to do such a thing to begin with.

-Luke couldn't even sense his father that far out. He could with Leia I think but they had a what I would call blood bond or in the family. I don't see how Rey would be able to as they've only met a few times and she was mostly spending her time training with Leia's obstacle course.

-Yeah, that part where she was floating with rocks circling her as if she's mastered the force already more than anyone else and "Be one with me" remarks. She force jumped when fighting Kylo but had to struggling with platform jumping.

-Yep. All to move the plot forward. Told ya, this movie made her beyond Mary Sue mode to Captain Marvel.

-Type of sword stance but they magically they both know such type. Personally, holding it backwards is only good for daggers, tonfas, or shorter lightsabers. Starkiller boy from Star Wars The Force Unleashed does that as well.

https://youtu.be/Ym7Pv-Ql2Mo
https://youtu.be/L4qRLmTQwT4

It's cool when you actually have moves for it. They didn't really have much moves when they were battling it out. You can see it somewhat effectively used at the beginning of the movie with Ren killing his enemies to obtain the sith locator beacon.

[–] Rorikon (17855) 5 years ago

The droid wipe I would say is a failsafe built in but how the hell did he even have the ability to translate it? It's not like it was known knowledge on how to read Sith. I guess they'll fill in this mess of a plothole in some comic, book, or cartoon.

Yes, the movie is based on convenience, I have a feeling, perfect coincidences and heresay to move the plot forward and jam everything that Rian fucked up on in TLJ to make some sense or how it was possible if not fluke-like.

[–] keithmovies (627) 5 years ago

You said:

"Lukes X-wing was submerge in water for what 20-30 years and they just raised it and Rey was able to fly it. The power source and engines are just fine being underwater all that time. The interior would be completely deteriorated but other than a little weathering on the outside it looked and functioned just like any other X-Wing in the fleet."

Very good point. In fact, Luke would have faced the same issues years before when Yoda raised his X-Wing plane from the swamp. I guess one could conclude that this technology is pretty hard-wearing, resistant to battle fatigue of materials and engineering components. So water damage may not be a big problem as a result. I imagine Rey did spend a few hours tweaking circuits and controls before it became operational as a spacecraft.

You said:

"Why the hell do Kylo Ren and Rey both hold their lightsabers backwards so often. Grab something shaped like a sword and swing it at something. You have less control, less reach and less power when you hold it like that and it's ridiculous that either of them would choose to fight that way but the fact that they both do it is just moronic."

I think because the only part of appreciable weight is probably the solid hilt and the rest of the structure is comprised of energy particles in a beam, light sabers are not that heavy to wield. Thus, the light sabers can be wielded in various blocking techniques.

[–] Cinegeek (17) 5 years ago

My comment about the lightsabers wasn’t about weight. It was about reach. It would be harder to accurately attack and harder to defend using a grip and stance like they did.

[–] keithmovies (627) 5 years ago

The Jedi light saber techniques can offer various angles of attack and defence, as can be seen in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y8TZAhgqFs

I can see lots of opportunities for mistakes but also many opportunities for successful engagement, including closer combat and reverse grips. It's clearly not all about keeping your distance from the opponent by extending the blade outwards.

[–] keithmovies (627) 5 years ago

Exploring reverse handle techniques for sword combat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r1jP1JOMVs

[–] Cinegeek (17) 5 years ago

The guy in your second video actually agrees with me. You must not have watched the video. He says exactly what I said. He said the grip was limiting, awkward, has less reach and that a standard grip is better. Sorry man, Rey and Kylo fight like morons. Their fighting technique is just one of many things the writers get wrong because they writing about something they don't understand. They're out of their element and it shows.

[–] keithmovies (627) 5 years ago

Indeed he does. He does not completely dismiss reverse grip though and says it is valuable in certain scenarios. I can imagine that the writers might be weak on the subject of swordplay as you say, but there are many kinds of bladed and battering and stick weapons which can be used and gripped in various ways to produce blows and blocks - weapon use is not exclusively fencing or gunfights.

[–] Cinegeek (17) 5 years ago

Not sure what you were trying to prove with that video. Sure you can dance around with it but it says nothing about reach, power or defense. Just pick up a broom handle or a baseball bat. Swing it in front of you and see how far your reach, arch and power will be limited with the reverse grip as opposed to the standard grip.

[–] keithmovies (627) 5 years ago

I disagree. Lots of Jedi moves require movement of the blade very close to the body - to the sides as much as the front. During the process of swinging the blade reverse grip comes into play for different durations. So it seems standard that the Jedi will not always strike out with long or horizontal slashes towards their opponent. It is often a case of tussling with the opponent to best them.

[–] RoseLeslie987Fan (42) 5 years ago

Have you ever even tried to watch SW prequel trilogy, the 1st movie, 'The Phantom Menace' (1999), to be more precise? Anakin Skywalker built C-3PO from the junk parts of scrap metal and wires (presumably) he secretly took from his and his mother Shmi's master Watto, a Toydarian, thus saving those parts from being thrown away as trash, and he built the protocol droid for maybe a year or two before the Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn arrived on Tatooine and came straight into Watto's shop in the town of Mos Espa, which means that the future Darth Vader built a protocol droid that will many years later serve his sworn enemies, the Rebellion, whle he was either 7 or 8 years old, considering that he was 9 when he met Qui-Gon and his future wife Padme in the Toydarian's shop...

[–] Rorikon (17855) 5 years ago

Came full circle, heh. I think the one to really bring balance to the force was C3PO because without him, they were stuck in dead water but in this case, quicksand. My question is where did Anakin get a database of 3 billion if not more languages. With the Empire killing most of everything during that time, you would think most of those languages would have become extinct. Is there not some big ass droid language library database somewhere where droids can link up to learn stuff? I mean where do droids get their skills from?

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

6 million, not 3 billion

[–] Orcsquisher (11) 5 years ago

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[–] pzogel (187) 5 years ago

-If astral projection Luke could grab a lightsaber and force lift his old T-65 X-wing out of the water, why the fuck can't he battle or do other mischief things against the First Order? He literally can phase through shit.

Just one of the many examples where TROS directly contradicts a rule or lore established in the previous films, this time the OT (ESB to be precise). TLJ already broke that rule with Yoda destroying the Jedi Temple, but instead of this staying a one-off occurence, JJ decided to double down on this and break the rules at every opportunity he gets, just to move his moronic plot forward.

Somehow, TROS managed to openly contradict the PT, the OT and even TFA (which JJ wrote himself) and TLJ (which he produced). It's possibly the biggest piece of hack writing ever released to be screened publicly.

[–] Rorikon (17855) 5 years ago

What is PT, OT and ESB? Not familiar with those acronyms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZRCIjMWRLg I forgot about that scene...

Didn't Rey steal/borrow some Jedi text books or was that something else? We see her after her training obstacle on reading ancient text books with archaic languages with images of the sith locator beacon ironically enough.

[–] pzogel (187) 5 years ago

OT is original trilogy, and ESB is Empire Strikes Back.

And yes, those are the same texts. The scene in TLJ makes one believe they were destroyed, but of course Rey rescued them earlier, so the message the scene is trying to convey is undermined immediately, 'subverting expectations' as always.

[–] LIZA (0) 5 years ago

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[–] Forky (1739) 5 years ago

I laughed out loud at the Force tug-of-war with the transport.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Space in SW has air, or there would not be sound.

[–] 000 (471) 5 years ago

i dont have many complaints.
but:
reys dad was palps son, why wasnt he taught the dark force?
palp just gonna let him run away with rey, then have him killed - yet he wants rey?

and was her mom special in some way?

[–] Forky (1739) 5 years ago

Special school district!