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Why Did Palps Go Into Hiding?

posted 5 years ago by howgamer (3988)
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I haven't seen the movie and will just rent it, but I did read the spoilers and I do have one question that maybe those that saw it can answer.

So if the Emperor survives at the end of ROTJ, why does he go into hiding? The Empire suffers a major loss with the loss of Vader and Death Star 2, but obviously the Empire still had numerous resources hence the First Order. He also apparently has a fleet of Star Destroyers with death star tech so again why go into hiding? Why wouldn't he show that he survived and assume command of the Empire?

[–] FootOfDavros (8702) 5 years ago

Don't be ridiculous - have you actually seen the of ROTJ? He is thrown down that shaft and explodes into a zillion pieces! Then the Death Star itself is blown up into a zillion pieces!!

No way he or any pieces of the Death Star possibly survived...

[–] fzane (1190) 5 years ago

but, the sjw's have created a wormhole where he survived.

[–] maximmm (3408) 5 years ago

To be fair, there's a SW novel where the emperor has a bunch of clones, which he periodically has to change because his immense power erodes each new body very quickly - in that novel, his ghost simply moved on to a new clone - but Luke and his gang destroyed his clone factory and killed him once and for all - in that novel that is. In that novel though everything was pretty well explained -
Hell, they could have used a bunch of novels that were written after the original trilogy and turned them into sequels - some books were actually pretty decent. Instead.... they go with new scripts which were not even written as trilogy - they end up writing a new script for each film because nothing is planned ahead. Basically, disney fucked up - they could have undone the damage done by the lucas' prequels, but nay - they made things even worse. I guess sjw have major limitations in their thinking and creativity on the whole - that would explain why so few decent films are coming out from the hollywood - instead we are only getting remakes, reboots, all worse than the originals. SJW disease is worse than people thought.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

That was the Dark Empire comic series.

[–] maximmm (3408) 5 years ago

Ah - come to think of it, I heard this story via an audiobook, so you could be right.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

The Emperor died. Return of the Jedi is the definitive end of the story. Got it? This Disney trilogy is just glorified sub-par fanfiction written by a money-hungry corporation. End of.

[–] plusplus (467) 5 years ago

There is only one reason why the Emperor is back: TLJ killed off Snoke.
Palpatine is J.J.'s middle finger to Rian Johnson - one of many throughout the movie.

[–] ExTechOp (2770) 5 years ago

There was certainly no shortage of retconning in this film. I personally didn't mind, as long as the final narrative holds together, and I sort of think it did. Still:

(1) Rey's a nobody, born of nobodies ... but her grandfather was the most powerful sith in history

(2) Luke and Rey didn't know who Rey was ... but they DID know she was Sheev's granddaughter

(3) Rey and Kylo's telepathic link was solely Snoke's doing and would've killed them without his interference ... except now they not only do it regularly but have developed 3-D fax capabilities

Struck me odd, anyway, but didn't bother me enough to dislike the movie

[–] plusplus (467) 5 years ago

After watching it for a second time, I actually like the retconning, kinda, in a weird way.
I wasn't really pleased by the story of the sequel trilogy, but this "Revenge of the Intro's Director" is a funny aspect.
Snoke was not introduced to be killed off without any meaning.

Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter doesn't mean that he still needed to be alive as a stand-in for the boss fight.

[–] ExTechOp (2770) 5 years ago

Yeah I kinda liked the retconning

What it felt like to me was Abrams initially wanted to pay homage to the Star Wars legacy (hence TFA seeming derivative). Then Johnson comes in wanting to "tear it all down." And Abrams returns to rescue the franchise as best he can.

In other words, Palpatine's return is a metaphor for the series returning to its core themes. Kylo's failure to successfully destroy his past becomes a reflection of Johnson's failure to destroy the franchise, or at least rewrite it.

So from a dramatic perspective, Palpatine is kind of the hero of the entire nine-film series. He starts it all, he manipulates from behind the scenes, and just when "all looks hopeless," he returns to give the series a proper villain and a proper finale.

Sheev Palpatine is, in the end, "the chosen one."

[–] howgamer (3988) 5 years ago

Also there was tons of talk, by the crew and Abrams, during the TFA's that Snoke was not a Sith. That he was attuned to the dark side, but he wasn't a Sith. How can you he not be a Sith if he was just an extension/clone controlled by Palpatine?

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

The EU, and also the more recent cartoons, featured various dark-siders who were not considered Dark Lords of the Sith. That's a specific title.

[–] howgamer (3988) 5 years ago

Yes, I understand that.

My question though, was that if Snoke is being controlled by Sidious, via the force at all times, Snoke being just a vessel/body for Sidious, wouldn't it make him a Sith if Snoke is Palpatine?

[–] ExTechOp (2770) 5 years ago

Well, first and foremost, they may have actually believed that at the time.

Secondly, they might believe it now.

Seems like Abrams' version might still have no more than two Darth-titled Sith Lords at a time, but includes tens of thousands of lesser cult-members and Imperial loyalists.

So Snoke is still not a Sith Lord, just a puppet. I do not, however, believe he was a LITERAL puppet being controlled by Palpatine. Just an easily installed front-man for Palpatine's ongoing machinations.

[–] howgamer (3988) 5 years ago

Oh ok, that's what I was wondering. From what I read, it was like Snoke was literally being controlled by Sidious the whole time, like Snoke was just an avatar and Sidious controlling it.

[–] ExTechOp (2770) 5 years ago

oh, thought of another:

(4) Red-5, Luke's X-Wing, shouldn't be flightworthy after 30 years underwater, especially since Luke ditched there deliberately to strand himself. At the very least, it should be missing an X-foil panel - Luke had been using it as a door to his stone hut

[–] fc31 (6122) 5 years ago

There is only one reason why the Emperor is back: TLJ killed off Snoke

That I fully agree. TLJ is really stupid on so many levels.

[–] B1cKsurN (17825) 5 years ago

Because Rian Johnson is a moron.

Palps died in RotJ.

[–] Devilman (450) 5 years ago

I'm waiting for the tidal wave after things pass by...I'm sure JJ or Disney will publicly blame Rian Johnson and "The Last Jedi" for the ST story arc collapse.

[–] footlegger (1468) 5 years ago

After his defeat in ROTJ, his dick shriveled to such a tiny size he was forced to accumulate lots of Star Destroyers in order to compensate.

[–] Devilman (450) 5 years ago

Why did Palps send messages in his own voice exposing himself !