So Rey is a Skywalker?
and she is a Legend.
Go figure
thanks JarJar for ruining Star Wars.
Hopefully. Johnson ruined it for me with his nonsense about her parents being nobodies which make no sense since the trilogy was about the Skywalkers, parent, child, and grandchild.
shareBut Anakin had no father and his mother was not Force sensitive... so his power does not come from genetics.
I personally think its perfect for the SW universe: Force users are random, anyone... but when the Force itself causes a life, that one has literally partial "Force DNA" (like Hercules being half god half human). Because those genetics carry the imprint of The Force, that imprint is passed on to the children and grandchildren.
So Anakin only passes on Force sensitivity because he was, from birth, an exception to the randomness rule.
The one thing Rian did right, that he was trying to show at the end with Broom Boy, was the returning balance to the Force... back to randomness.
Still, Kylo had every reason to lie to Rey about her parents, OR tell her what she feared (which I believe Rey said first before Kylo specified anything).
He wanted her to let go of the past, and he was willing to kill it with a lie.
"The Force is strong in my family." - Luke
Anakin was created by the midichlorians in retaliation to Darth Plagueis' attempt to unnaturally manipulate the Force for evil which explains why Anakin is so powerful. That's according to the Plagueis novel, anyway.
Annoying hack Rian didn't return anything to randomness. It was always random or Obi-Wan, Yoda, Mace or any of the thousands of Jedi wouldn't exist.
But the movies arent about random users, they are about the exception, a Force family lineage. It stands to reason that the balance was off, and the random appearances werent happening during the darkest times.
When the balance returns, randomness becomes the norm again.
Heroes in movies are supposed to be the exception in some capacity. Luke, Anakin and Kylo just have a stronger connection to the Force than most people. But Leia didn't although Yoda did.
Randomness was always the norm. Don't forget that Force users were being hunted down by the Empire and killed off. They also needed to be trained which wasn't happening after the Jedi were purged. Others were in hiding. And the Sith limited themselves to only two after the Sith/Jedi Wars by killing off other Dark Force users.
Rian didn't know what balance meant. It doesn't mean equal dark side and equal light side Force users. Balance means the Jedi have a strong connection with the Force. When the Sith appeared during the prequels, the Force became unbalanced and the Jedi lost their ability to connect with it but didn't know the reason. Mace discussed this.
I used to be into the EU and Force sensitive people were popping up everywhere in novels, TV shows and games.
Wrong! It wasn't always "random" otherwise the whole major plot of the OT being that Luke was our 'last hope'; the camping out on Tatooine by Obi-Wan; and the return of the jedi literally at its culmination would make no sense.
That's the stakes which made the OT have such gravitas and stand head and shoulders over the crap which has followed. Especially that abysmal Harry Potter grabbing his broomstick scene at the end of that last shit-fest.
Force ability both appears randomly and can be inherited, it seems, and I'm okay with Rey either being a Skywalker or just some random schmuck who was born with Force ability. There's absolutely no reason to believe Darth Emo in anything, including that story.
Now that brings us to an interesting question... if Force ability is inherited, why are the Jedi celibate?? Hm????
IMHO that's because Force dynasties are a danger to the galaxy! What happens if the Jedi bred superheroes who could do anything to anyone, and couldn't keep them from going to the Dark Side? They're a huge danger to all living things, like the Sourcerers in Terry Pratchett's Discworld books, he established that the wizards were forced to become celibate long ago because their children could destroy the world. Betcha it's the same with the Jedi, and I wouldn't put it past Abrams to steal ideas from Terry Pratchett.
"Force ability both appears randomly and can be inherited"
Agreed.
The Jedi are celibate by individual choice. They can have sex with whoever they want and do in the EU. What's forbidden is developing emotional attachments therefore falling in love and/or marriage is against the Jedi Code. The reason is because strong attachments lead to jealousy, possessiveness, etc. which in the past lead to Jedi falling to the dark side. Ditto re: training older people to become Jedi which is why they would only train young children to become Jedi. But, they went overboard with their rules which may have helped lead to their own destruction.
Luke demonstrates these rules are outdated when he is trained at an older age, has close attachments to his friends and family, finally marries and has his own children (in the EU).
"The Jedi are celibate by individual choice."
Except they aren't given a choice about "forming attachments", they're taken away from their families as little kids and told they should never get too close to anyone. Okay, maybe those EU books tried to make that seem a little less harsh than it was presented in the films, but the EU books aren't canon, while the prequels are. And that's what we were told about the education of Jedi in the prequels, don't get me started on this.
Anyway! If falling in love leads to jealousy and possessiveness, those Dark Sided feelings are nothing compared to what people will do to further the interests of their children. So if the Jedi were having sex and fathering children... did they just abandon the children to prevent getting attached? Dear Lord, what a fucked-up group they were, it's amazing they didn't fall apart on their own.
"Forming attachments" = being in love or loving someone. A person can have meaningless sex without emotional attachments. I didn't say anyone was fathering kids. I read that Qui-gon had relations with another Jedi. Other than him and Anakin, most Jedi and Sith chose to remain celibate.
I agree that their rules were harsh and dogmatic. Taking young children helped play into their notoriety when the Republic falls. Luke tossed all that nonsense aside when he creates the new Jedi Order.
The EU stays canon for me. Disney SW is crapola.
It's an old article, but this guy explains why the Jedi were the bad guys.
https://thefederalist.com/2015/10/22/9-reasons-the-jedi-are-actually-the-bad-guys-in-star-wars/
I never got into the EU books, I tried but the ones I read... lacked excitement.
So I must ask, if in the EU Jedi were allowed to marry and father children, how was that dealt with? Realistically?
Because "forming attachments" isn't just about falling in love or lust, it's familial bonds, which the Jedi were at pains to break with their young accolytes, and tried to prevent new ones by encouraging celibacy*. So how did Luke deal with his Jedi having children, and being as irrational about their children as most people are? Because here on Earth people are bribing college officials to get their idiot offspring into the best colleges, what the hell would a Jedi do with their power over weak minds to push their kids to where they wanted them to be?
* Yeah, nobody could believe that Qui-Gon was celibate.
Many of the EU books were written before the prequels came out, and I don't ever remember anything about the jedi not forming attachments until it was mentioned in the prequels.
It was never mentioned in the EU books I read. Han and Leia were married and had kids. Luke married and had a kid. It just wasn't an issue.
Perhaps that's why I never liked the EU books, they were boring, with none of the big, crazy, extravagant ideas that came from Lucas.
But my ideas about the Jedi have been formed entirely by the films, which is why they're less kind than those whose ideas were formed by the EU books.
EU also includes the cartoons and games. Most of the EU I read took place during different time periods including the Jedi/Sith Wars. I'm only now getting into the Skywalker EU.
This EU game/book series Janswers your question re: Jedi family dynamic. Talk about dysfunction.
"The Old Republic: Knights of the Eternal Throne" is a game and book series which I haven't started but I'm intrigued by the trailers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R51LMIAJtsc
As I haven't read the cartoons or played a computer game since Myst was a thing, could you give me a very brief summary of what they all say about dysfunctional Jedi family dynamics?
TIA
The best example is if you watch the prequels and notice the relationships between Anakin and Obiwan or Qui-gon. A normal father and son relationship in which the parent tries to teach and guide the child to be good, but there are arguments along the way. And there is a psychic connection between them because of their bond.
The only time the story gets bizarre is if a parent figure happens to be a Sith. Two books I read had an evil Sith raising a child and it was so dark I couldn't read the third book. The parent was encouraging the child to kill and she eventually became very evil. and Palpatine's relationship with Anakin is well-known.
But the relationship between master and padawan isnt a familial relationship, it's an instructional relationship that, in some cases, becomes a substitute for the lack of family.
Seriously, do any Jedi have actual family relationships?
Any books with Jacen and Jaina Solo and Ben Skywalker like The New Jedi Order book series. But, you're not into EU novels.
shareSo, nothing about familial dynamics or relationships among the Old Jedi, then.
shareThe Jedi Order was destroyed by the Sith during the prequels.
In the novels, Luke rebuilds a New Jedi Order after the galactic civil war ends. New rules since Jedi can now marry and have kids. Luke, his wife and son as well as Leia, Han and their twins are featured in the books. The Thrawn Series starts off with a married and pregnant Leia. Luke has just met his future wife, Mara Jade.
I know other novel series feature their kids as teens at the Jedi Academy. All books emphasis adventures.
The Old Republic link I gave you has the story of another family with interesting dynamics since same family has Sith and Jedi with sad results.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R51LMIAJtsc
What bothered me about the Last Jedi was that there were so many hints that Rey was somebody Han and Leia knew - Han looking guilty when Rey was amazed by all the trees and grass outside Maz's castle, Han's look when Maz said, "Who's the girl," Leia's reaction when Fynn wants to rescue Rey, Leia hugging Rey at the end and sending her to find Luke. Han and Leia know something,
shareHan and Leia know something
Well, maybe they knew something, but obviously they didn't say anything to RJ XD
wasn't there a scene where maz pretty much tells her to abandon the hopes of her finding her parents as they are not important to her? the whole parent thing was blown out of proportions by fans.
shareMaz said no one was coming for her on Jaku. She didn't say she should abandon all hope of ever knowing who her parents were. That doesn't negate the fact that the movie heavily implied that Han and Leia knew who she was. Also, what's the point of showing Rey as a little girl and the ship flying away if her parents were just nobodys.
Also, I don't know that we can just take Kylo at his word. Does he really know what happened to her parents, or was he just repeating her worst fears?
I disagree that fans blew Rey's background out of proportion. There were tons of hints in the Force Awakens. Snoke's background, yes. Nothing in the movie indicated we should care about that, yet so many people speculated. But the Force Awakens begged us to ask about Rey's background.
she said rey already knows they won't be coming back and rey should be looking towards future instead of past. rey's flashback is to show she was abandoned. han, i don't think knew who she was but leia in that one scene hugged her which was very bad and awkward choice from director. other than that did they even had any conversation?
i agree, kylo's word cannot be trusted at all.
the reason fans started speculating was only because she was perfect at everything(which is a big big issue to me as well. you don't do that in first movie of the trilogy). i hated that theory anyways. it doesn't make any sense. people wanted the repeat of the empire scene(why would anyone want that).
I'm surprised you don't think Han knew who she was. When the first landed on Maz's planet and Rey commented on all greenery, Han had a very guilty look on his face. Also, when Maz turned to Han and said, "Who's the girl?" Han clearly answered her off camera. If he was just going to say, "Don't know, but she's from Jakku," why wouldn't they just show that? The only reason not to is to let us know that he knows more than he's saying to the audience and to keep it a mystery for now.
Han definitely knows who she is.
i don't know. nothing important happened between them rest of the movie.
shareKylo Ren is the grandchild
shareAnd given the past Luke having the hots for his sister combined with the fact that this series is repeating itself so much either Rey is Kylo's long lost twin that he wants to boink or at the very least Lukes daughter which makes them cousins and still allows that incestuous vibe to exist.
sharethere's no way Rey and Kylo can be twins. Kylo is like 10-12 years old then Rey.
You assume they even care about the casting issue. Besides the age difference is 8 years not 10 or 12 and the age difference between Carrier Fisher and Mark Hamill was 5 so 8 years isn't that big a difference in the casting department.
shareBut he's not a Skywalker. He's a Solo unless he changes his name. BTW, that should happen considering he didn't like his dad.
shareHe is a Skywalker.
shareyes. he is a Skywalker.
shareBut Kylo isn't the hero of this trilogy - Rey is. I suspect she will be the Skywalker mentioned in the title.
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