Their idea seemed to be to bring back the original characters as failed losers, have them fawn over the new Disney characters, then kill them as quickly and disgracefully as possible so you'll forget them while you latch on to this new generation.
You can say the same for the heroes from the prequels.
Now in A New Hope, we find out Obi-Wan hasn't done anything other than wandering around as a hermit on Tatooine for 18 years!
Yoda hasn't done crap either, he's being a hermit on Dagobah.
Basically they were just hiding and waiting for Darth Vader's children to grow up. That way they can be killed off and we can fawn over the new heroes.
Obi-Wan's death is pretty similar to Luke's death: Both were done simply as a temporary distraction to let the new good guys slip away.
Yoda and Obi-Wan, for their years of waiting, also BARELY trained Luke. Ben showed him how to swat at a taser ball, for like a minute, and told him a few things about the Force.
Then Yoda rides on Luke's back for a few days or maybe weeks, and seems to only teach him how to lift stuff and concentrate.... And then dies the next time we see him. He did nothing for 18 years and barely did anything after Luke showed up.
But see, Luke is such a Mary Sue that he can become a Jedi Master with this absolute minimal training (instead of years and years), and can defeat Vader despite having ZERO experience or training in lightsaber combat. Of course, Luke can also jump into an X-Wing and become the greatest pilot in the battle even though he has no X-Wing experience and no battle experience.
Not even sure why Leia put him in one, she didn't see him fly anything. None of us did. ALL WE HAD was his word that he was a pretty good pilot. SOUND FAMILIAR?
He can also do things like using a Force Pull at the beginning of Empire Strikes Back, even though Ben NEVER showed him that telekinesis was even possible with the Force!
He can also learn to build his own lightsaber, with no one to teach him. Where did he learn that? I guess some novel had to be written to explain that.
But see, all of this can be overlooked, because Luke was a guy. When you switch genders, suddenly the EXACT SAME fantasy story becomes cheap shortcuts and feminism and causes a bunch of alt-right whackos to get their Tiki torches.
What's hilarious is that you guys refuse to see it.
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Arghhhh (804)
7 years ago
You actually make a good point here Froggy and this is one of the many many flaws with the prequels. The Luke and Yoda we've seen in the prequels would never just bugger off to planets unknown and sit around waiting for something to happen. They're far too heroic and also way too powerful. Yes they've gone through the trauma of the Emperor taking power but they would be in the front lines, leading the resistance, not skulking around in caves. It's pretty clear from ANH that the Force - while powerful - is quite subtle and doesn't turn its users into indestructible super heroes. Which is why Ben and Yoda are in hiding. Because they're NOT the super heroes they're shown to be in the prequels.
But once again you can't excuse away flaws from one film just by pointing to flaws in another - especially films that are widely regarded as being terrible.
And - as everybody here knows - your points re Luke as a Mary Sue are simply put: bollocks.
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TristanReloaded (449)
7 years ago
^lol, enter the local board idiot.
Claims Luke is Mary Sue for becoming a Jedi in years of training and self-training and being defeated and saved to the bitter end.
But thinks unbeatable Rey isn't one even when she immediately "downloads" (JJ Abrams) all powers Luke had only after years of training, including the defeat of the master of the ren within a few hours and with no training whatsoever.
So dumb it becomes desperate. My amusement is manifold.
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