Could Christopher Nolan save this franchise?
I mean he saved Batman from Joel Schumacher and made 3 amazing Batman films, could he do the same for Star Wars?
shareFunny.
shareHow so? Memento, Batman Begins, The Prestige, The Dark Knight, Inception, The Dark Knight Rises, Interstellar and Dunkirk are all rated higher on IMDB than all of the Disney Star Wars films.
shareHave you seen Dunkirk?
I'm starting to realize that moviechat.org is the last place where reviews are not being paid for - because you see real discussions about how crappy dunkirk actually is, while on rotten tomatoes and its kin, you only see glowing reviews.
Dunkirk was actually one of Nolan's lesser films, I was let down by it but it was still very entertaining.
shareYou hating them is one thing but to suggest the franchise needs saving is silly. You may not like it but it is doing fine. Okay that is your opinion. Why were you presenting it like it was an indisputable fact Nolan's other 8 films were masterpieces? You throw numbers out there and then I present you to Johnson who also has good numbers you say well only one film is good.
Um the numbers say Last Jedi is solid just like Looper. Brick has good reception as well. Basically what I am getting is that your opinion is suppose to be treated like it is a fact and the rest of us have to bow down to it.
Do not pick and choose. If you can claim Nolan's films to be great because of numbers we can do the same with Johnson's.
Nolan's films have far better numbers than Johnson's and Nolan has 3 Oscar Nominations while Johnson has zero. Nolan absolutely ass rapes Johnson on all fronts. Nolan has made 8 masterpieces and Johnson has one episode of Breaking Bad. The franchise has absolutely raped my childhood, the Disney Movies are complete garbage and I think Nolan can return the series to the spirit of the original trilogy and the prequels. The magic seems to be wearing off, TLJ doesn't seem to have nearly as good of numbers as TFA did and I honestly think the only reason TFA did well was because it had been 10 years since we had a Star Wars film, everyone was excited for it and they were going to like it no matter what because they wanted to say it was better than the prequels (which it wasn't).
shareAgain on all fronts? When we compare the filmography of each Johnson has a much shorter one. Looper and Last Jedi are on par or better than a lot of Nolan's work. The only stuff above those critically is The Dark Knight, Memento, and Dunkirk. If we are going off of career accomplishments Francis Ford Coppola beats Nolan on all fronts.
So if Nolan has made 8 masterpieces going by the numbers than that would mean Johnson has made 2 masterpieces correct? I mean since Looper beats The Dark Knight Rises critically that means it is also a masterpiece correct? Remember critics is the original argument you made for Nolan. So imdb is irrelevant as it has no critics on it.
He has many more Oscars than he does as well. It is a bit silly to compare Johnson and Nolan. A more accurate and fair comparison would be probably Tarantino vs Nolan. Both different but both have about the same amount of films roughly.
They have been directing for just about the same amount of time and Nolan has had considerably far more success than Johnson you cannot deny that. Ford Coppola for all I know could be a great choice as well but what really gives me confidence in Nolan is that he turned dogsh!t (Batman Forever and Batman and Robin) into gold (Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises). He has that ability which is why I feel he could get the franchise back to the spirit of the OT and the prequels.
shareDid you just mention the prequels in a positive light? You know the numbers on those is pretty bad right?
I never did deny Nolan has had more success. I made the point that Nolan has a much longer filmography than Johnson does. As of now Nolan is more successful though yes I never disputed that. However you need to acknowledge that Coppola has more career accomplishments than Nolan does. Coppola has 5 Oscars Nolan 3 nominations.
Again Nolan has done far more from 2000 - 2017 than Johnson did, both were directing during that time. I personally thought the prequels had their fair share of faults, I did not like the overreliance on CGI, or Jar Jar or the corny love dialogue but they at least felt like Star Wars, the Disney films do not. The prequels felt like one man's vision coming together as they told a coherent story and clearly understood their characters. I feel the Disney films are just making this up as they go.
shareAgain let me say this again. Nolan is the more successful film maker! Got that? The thing is though how many big budget films has Rian Johnson done?
shareMaybe if Johnson had proven himself the way Nolan did he would have been given the opportunity.
shareSome film makers prefer to work small more consistently and less on big budget films. Richard Linklater is an example of that.
Anyhow why is it you are allowed to act as if it is an indisputable fact Nolan's films are masterpieces because of great numbers and then turn around and tell the rest of us we can't do the same for another film maker? Looper and Last Jedi have great numbers. On par or better than a lot of Nolan's work. So Johnson has two masterpieces and the numbers support that.
Since you're such a numbers guy you realize the Disney Star Wars films destroy any of the prequels in numbers right? Since you made the claim that it implies Nolan is factually better than Johnson because of numbers the same logic applies here. The Disney films are factually better than the prequels because of numbers.
And that's fine but still the fact remains that Nolan and Johnsons' resume's are not even in the same ballpark. Nolan is a well know, critically acclaimed director and barely anyone knows who Johnson is.
According to audiences TLJ is 53% on RT, that is nothing to brag about, other than the MC numbers Looper doesn't have much to brag about either, yet Nolan's films are consistently cultural phenomenons.
Again I know the prequels had their share of faults and with the Disney films they did well initially just because of the fan service but look at this message board, look at the 53% on RT, look at youtube, the magic is wearing off. The Disney films never felt like Star Wars and Nolan is certainly the guy to get the franchise back to its roots. He did it once, he can do it again. Plus I really love his style of directing and I think it would work very well in the Star Wars universe.
Um Johnson has only done one big budget film. Nobody knew who Nolan was when he did Batman Begins. It was after that is when he became a big name.
Again we are not talking audience we are talking critical acclaim. The point you keep going away from. On RT the critical reception for last Jedi is rather solid. Other than MC numbers Looper has nothing to brag about? Um you forgot RT. On there it has amazing reception as well. Better critically than The Dark Knight Rises.
No the numbers suggest the prequels are not even good. Not just faults but bad numbers.
I wouldn't say that, he was very well known after Memento and he even got his first Oscar nomination for that. Nolan started out with success and his career has gone nowhere but forward. You keep pointing to Looper and yeah it has a decent MC score but Nolan has films that are higher and not to mention Nolan also has 3rd place - 9th place. Nolan destroys Johnson you cannot deny that but you can can it with the excuses.
His style of directing would work very well with Star Wars, he would never turn it into a comedy like Disney has.
Not to the degree that he is now. Batman begins catapulted him into the Blockbuster genre. Before that he only had smaller films underneath his belt. The only films that beat Looper critically are The Dark Knight and Dunkirk.
With Memento it is more or less a tie. On MC Looper has the edge on RT Memento has the edge. Box office goes to Looper as to be expected and Memento got the award nominations. While this is very close I would give the slight edge to Memento. Honestly this can go either way though.
Also what do you mean Nolan has films that are 3rd-9th place? You talking imdb? Because if you are that point is irrelevant. It is irrelevant because in your original point you boasted critical acclaim and box office as a means to prove Nolan's films were good.
Imdb has no critics on it. I think what has happened is you are resorting to that because you got called on the carpet.
Let's just say that Looper beats every film except Dunkirk (at least by MC) what else has Johnson done that 's so great? I mean there's an episode of Breaking Bad but that's all he has. Nolan has 8 films that have reached complete critical success and are all in the IMDB Top 250 (Memento, Batman Begins, The Prestige, The Dark Knight, Inception, The Dark Knight Rises, Interstellar, Dunkirk). Again for every masterpiece Johnson has, Nolan has 8.
shareDo not forget Last Jedi. Also a film with solid critical numbers across the board. Again did I ever say his filmography can topple Nolan's? Nope I simply said if you can claim Nolan has 8 masterpieces because of box office and critical numbers we can make that case for other film makers work as well. Why does everyone need to be compared to Nolan anyway?
There have been other great film makers who have more accomplishments than him and I do not see you referencing them. Why is that?
Because I believe Nolan's style would do well with Star Wars and he has proven that he can take a franchise that has been reduced to a complete joke and make it great again (The Dark Knight Trilogy)
shareI personally am not a fan of his to be honest. I do not deny his accomplishments but I like other film makers more.
shareThese are my favorite films of the 2010's:
1. Inception
2. The Dark Knight Rises
3. The Wolf Of Wall Street
4. Interstellar
5. Blade Runner 2049
3 of which were directed by Nolan
I guess I should say I am a fan of Nolan but not like you. I liked Memento, Batman Begins, Dark Knight and Inception. Not a fan of the Dark Knight Rises or Interstellar.
I do not want him taking on Star Wars I think it is headed in the right direction.
Both The Dark Knight Rises and Interstellar were visionary, thought provoking and very intelligent films. SW is now juvenile, unoriginal a flat out nonsensical. That is why I believe Nolan could save SW.
shareDisagree. I found the Dark Knight Rises to be a slow boring bland film. Interstellar I found to be poorly paced with a lame message. SW I find to be the best it has been since the original trilogy. I still like the originals more but I am enjoying these far more than those awful prequels.
shareThe Dark Knight Rises and Interstellar were amazing films with strong characters an engaging story and very powerful and thought provoking messages. The new SW are nothing more than a cash grab, all Disney is doing is throwing as much nostalgia and fan service as they can at the audience so they say "that was in the OT, I like that". They are a one trick pony and it is starting to lose its appeal.
The prequels had their fair share of faults but are still miles better than anything Disney has put out.