Snow white is alive, how can the mirror have answered with Ravenna??? If snow white is alive she is the Fairest of them all.
sharethat was early in the film, yeah? Before Freya's baby died, before she started raising all those kids, before the axe slash timejump and the 7 years later timejump so I'd say Snow White is not alive yet
shareNo, not early in the film. Freya asks the mirror the question after having taken it from the Huntsman, and out of it comes Ravenna.
shareforgot about that. at the time i figured that was just the end of the words written around the mirror. freya reads them because the "mirror" tells her to
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yeah, ravenna comes out and says something like "don't walk away you asked a question and the mirror has answered" indicating she is still the fairest of them al, even though snow white is alive. Anyways, that definitely made no sense, but a lot of the movie didn't either.
shareIt made sense though. The movie clearly showed that Snow White descended into madness under the harmful influence of the mirror which probably had multiple negative effects on her. While Ravenna was in her prime. So it makes sense Ravenna would be more beautiful.
shareHere is the mythology of the mirror. If a sorceress speaks to the mirror, she can use her powers and magnify them with it. If a normal person speaks to the mirror, it only drives him/her mad. This is why Freya was able to summon Ravenna out with her "powers" and read her mind when she asked the truth about her baby. But to normal people like The Huntsman, the evil mirror will speak words to them like "kill kill" etc, ultimately leading to destruction. In the movie, The Huntsman hears Ravenna summoning him to the mirror with "kill for me", so he takes out his knife but is stopped in time by Sara. This is why snow white's men all killed themselves when they were trying to transport the mirror to sanctuary. This is why Snow White is shown earlier going mad in front of the mirror, but she doesn't summon Ravenna out because she's not a witch.
sharei know, but what does that have to do with freya asking the mirror who the fairest is, and then it summoning and showing ravenna hence answering her question when technically snow white should be the fairest?
shareBecause all this time it was Ravenna possessing the mirror. So she is acting like the mirror man.
sharebut she isn't able to lie? Freya asked her to reveal the truth of what she did and she had to since she asked the mirror. she is bound to freya. I don't think she could have manipulated the truth regardless of how powerful she is. i think the writers needed a way to summon her and they forgot that technically snow white would be the fairest, kind of like how they dismissed the whole brother thing and ignored it. When ravenna was taken as a child they showed her brother by her side. no sister in sight.
shareFreya's powers are magnified once she has control over the mirror. So she was able to overtake Ravenna and get the truth. It's a power struggle and she was able to win in that instance.
Listen, it's no question that this movie had problems. it's also really challenging having to write around Snow White, therefore bringing back Ravenna, (no Finn- he didn't want to come back) so introducing Freya, sara, and convey three time jumps. Sure the writing is to blame for a lot of the movie, but they did what they could with their limitations.
hmmmm she was powerful enough to summon the mirror in the first place - which means she had control over it. The fact that she could unleash its power means that it is bound to her. But I do see your point in a way, and it could be true.
shareMaybe what the mirror's answered is just a reflection of the thought of the user.
When Freya asked who's the fairest of them all,her sis came into her mind.
So,the mirror replied her with her sis's appearance.
Just my thought :P
When the Huntsman gets recruited it's mentioned that Snow White is sick and being driven mad by the mirror. We aren't shown her face, but at that stage she's probably somewhat less fair than she used to be, while the Evil Queen in the mirror stayed the same.
shareyeah but she looked completely dazed when ravenna showed up. If that is the case the mirror would have answered ravenna with herself instead of snow white or freya's child lol.
shareThis problem seems to come about due to a rewrite. In the original trailer. Freya asks "mirror Mirrior on the wall who is the most powerful of them all"
Obviously Ravenna as she seemed to have multiple powers unlike her sister who just had ice powers and Snow White who mad none outside of her immortality granting heart.
So once it's changed back to the fairest it doesn't work as well. although it may be as another poster said. Snow White had been weakened by the Mirrior which May compromised her purity and thus have put Ravenna back in the game
The mirror had been contaminated with the essence of Ravenna. Ravenna believes she is the fairest of them all, and thus so does the mirror.
shareGood point
shareI have developed a theory on this, but will wait to post it in a new thread titled "Ravenna Untold." Studios may not give a 3rd movie so we can start our own script :).
shareBecause, as is explained in the movie, Ravenna put part of herself inside the mirror, fusing with it.
When Ravenna, or Ravenna's spirit became fused with the mirror, it changed properties.
Now, the phrase doesn't show the fairest of them all, but summons Ravenna instead, because she changed the mirror when she died.
So not a loophole nor a plot hole.
she also says "you asked a question the mirror has answered." Whether she changed the mirrors properties or not her style is not delusional to answer with a lie. If she is lying then why tell Freya things that could be used against her? She was dazed when she came out of the mirror at first and had to think about being dead. She was answering honestly as the mirror until she became herself again. But even then, she was bound to Freya and had to tell her the truth. This is evident when she had to show freya what she did with her daughter.
shareI think that Ravenna IS the mirror, or in better words - they are connected and the Mirror is not some objective thing that says who's the fairest of them all, but it just transcends Ravenna's thoughts and fears.
In the scene where she finds out about her sister's baby, the Mirror says "I'm just reflection", so it proves there's no difference between Ravenna and the Mirror.
Ravenna isn't the answer because she's the fairest of them all, but because when you "wake up" the Mirror, you wake up Ravenna.
So you feel similar to me it's a manifestation of her mind
shareYes, something like that.
I like Heartofheart theory also.
I'll watch Snow White one more time now, because I'm more interested in the story.
Didn't like it that much first time I watched it. I must admit, I didn't like Kristen as Snow White (there was just too much Kristen, and too little Snow White), but I also didn't like Huntsman, and in this one he was much more likeable.
I just read the topic "Ravenna untold", and I would love to see a prequel and to find out everything about Ravenna, Freya and the Mirror.
that's similar to my theory in my thread "Ravenna Untold." She is the mirror. But I believe its the human part of her. Her personality split into 2 when she was raped by the king - in my story. Her physical body trapped her in there and couldn't stand to see her the way she was so she bound her to the robe and changed voice etc. Either way the mirror is her.
shareGreat symbolism for why the entity is dressed in a shroud
sharethanks I thought it works too :). I can see her binding her to a robe because of how pathetic and weak she is and it reminds her of true self.
I just keep replying the scene where she is like "i have a higher calling." I mean that was brilliant and crazzzyyyyyyyyyyy.
I just watched Snow White, and there's a scene where Ravenna is talking to the Mirror, her brother is watching, and although Ravenna sees a person in front of her, her brother doesn't see anyone, just Ravenna talking to herself.
So - the Mirror IS Ravenna.
That means there no "fairies of them all", it's just Ravenna convinced she is the most powerful and beautiful woman alive, and then there's Ravenna afraid she is losing her position as the most important woman in her kingdom.
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