Is so fucked up for Hays, he finally figured out what really happened to Julie, he drives right up infront of her house, then BAM he forgets where he is and what he's doing. He's gotten closure but he doesn't even know it. He was talking to Julie and he didn't even know it.
All those years, nearly 40 some years of his life consumed by this case and he solves it and he can't even remember doing it now.
Yes, I know! It was sooo sad that he found her and didn't even know it. However, his son didn't save that address for nothing. That to me implies that eventually they're going to discover Julie is alive.
shareYeah thats true, but you have to assume his disease is gonna get worse cause thats what it does, making it where he can't hardly retain any new information.
He probably should've went and got Roland before he went to Julie's house on his own, seemed weird he didn't call Roland immediately when he found out Julie was alive.
He didn't find out so much as he suspected after his hallucination. But yet, I think he should have at least told Roland he intended to follow up on that hunch. However, I think it was a fitting end for the season.
shareIt is also entirely plausible that Hays would have his memory jogged and he'd remember that he talked to Julie (Mary) and her daughter. His son was a detective and kept the note, it seems possible if not probable that he would have eventually followed up on WHY his Dad drove there, when he's not supposed to drive.
I absolute LOVED the ending with a super young Hays walking and disappearing into the jungle. It was such an obvious metaphor but since they never showed a flashback to Viet Nam and he virtually never discussed anything about his experience, it worked perfectly.
Was it a Jacob's Ladder scenario you think?
shareNot familiar enough with the movie and scenario to really comment. Care to expound on what you mean?
shareI'd actually rather not say,so as to not spoil the film for you. It's worth a watch for sure. If you do , the parallels will be more than evident. I don't think that's where TD was going, but it was an interesting ending on their part.
shareI didn't think so. I think it showed that because of his memory loss, he was heading back into the jungle of uncertainty.
shareWhat a performance by Ali, the sorrow I legitimately felt for the older version of himself not in control of his faculties speaks to how powerful he was in the role. Stephen Dorff was right up there as well. All in all I loved this season!
shareYeah amazing performances all around, i pray they get nominated for emmy's.
shareI know! I was so bummed that he didn’t call his partner (Stephen Dorff’s character) when he figured it all out, & before he went there.
shareI know, they both should have went there, it was their case and Hays kinda went to the finish line without him, thats the only thing i didn't like in the finale. Just felt weird he didn't call Roland, but had he called Roland to go with him they couldn't have had their sad ending of him forgetting it cause Roland would've reminded him.
I feel like they could've came up with an actual reason he couldn't tell Roland, cause it just felt kinda contrived for the sake of the ending they wanted to go with that Hays just went without Roland or even telling him.
Exactly. I honestly thought that was kinda dick of Hays to go by himself like that. The case was both of theirs for 30 years... In my mind, I’ll go with Hays’ son showing Roland the address at some point later on, but still they started the case as a team - should of ended the case as a team.
shareAs i said it felt kinda contrived for the sake of the ending they wanted to go with, cause there was no logical reason Hays wouldn't have called Roland. They could've came up with some kinda reason for Hays going without Roland, but they didn't, Hays finds out at night and then its the next day he still hasn't called Roland or even went to get him.
Back in the day he'd always go to tell Roland immediately whenever he found a break in the case with something. But here he finds out Julie is alive and where shes at and he doesn't even think of informing Roland of it.
Totally agree.
shareHoly crap, hold the phone. I completely interpreted this all wrong. I thought that he had all of his faculties when he went to see Julie at the end. Then he had to come up with the "I'm lost" story so he'd have an excuse to walk up to talk to her. He needed to speak with her, confirm it was her and gauge her condition. He then asked for water just so he could spend more time with her. At that point he had to call his son in order to keep the story legit. I did think it was strange he didn't tell roland right away but I assumed that would happen off screen as it was primarily Hay's obsession to find Julie and not entirely Roland's.
Wow, did I read the whole situation wrong?
Not necessarily. I've heard that interpretation before. He was going to confront her, but then decided not to screw up her life by bringing up her tragic past. I think either interpretation works.
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Nah. . .there's a clear intent to show the viewer that he's having another disassociative moment. If you take a step back and look at the series as a whole, it's moving in exactly that direction. Even if you don't; the actor, director and story give you multiple visual/textual cues. No. . .when he's sitting in the car, he clearly loses track. Then has to push the magic button to summon his son (as was heavily foreshadowed).
All of which yields that incredibly poignant moment w/Julie & her mini-me. (It's very telling that it's just the two of them, as well.) The moment those three actors have is one the storytellers worked very hard towards, and in an uneven season, is a pretty amazing payoff. I think people who don't acknowledge it do all concerned a disservice, actually.
Maybe, maybe not. I believe the jury is till out on that.
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I think if this were the case, he would have gotten rid of the address.
shareI know what you mean, but I see more optimism than is apparent in this finale. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a happy ending, but neither is it a grim one. Here is what I wrote in another thread, as a reply to someone who was upset by the direction this ending took.
I share some of your frustrations; but I’m not sure we got a happy ending.
I think we got a non-ending. Like you (and Wayne) I wanted to learn more. And this ending left me wanting. But I can’t pretend it was not meaningful.
Julie’s story continues.
The case might continue through Wayne’s son - he kept the piece of paper after all, and might follow up. Or not.
Wayne’s story continues through his family, his grandchildren and his best friend by his side.
Wayne and his wife live on together in his endless cycles of memory, taking him back and forth through time - the flat circle from season one.
Wayne found everything he ever searched for - his family united and Julie Purcell. He found them all and yet... he doesn’t know it. He lost his memories and still found himself in them. He attained closure but he’s still looking for it. Per the last shot of the finale, he will always be on Recon in the intricate endless jungle of his mind.
Always searching. Always seeking answers. A true detective.
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What an intelligent and incisive review. I agree about the point about his son keeping the piece of paper with the address.
I noticed that too.
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That's a pretty cool way to put it. Kudos.
shareHow do you know that lady was Julie?? I was watching that episode closely but there were no clues showing it was her. She never said her name so how would you know. So does that mean you think the people were lying about her death to try and cover it up.
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