I love how men are complaining: the male characters are all negative! (uh, you might want to explore entire genres of film: horror, thrillers, Westerns, action movies are notorious for having female characters who were all negative or who were there only as foils for the male character.)
They say: Stella was "practically a sex offender" for having sex twice in the course of three seasons, and flirting with a colleague once.
They say: the feminism was "pointless." We are shown, over and over again, how women don't take crimes against women seriously (see Sarah Kay's home invasion at the beginning), don't take women's pain seriously (see what happens to Sally Ann and to Katie), apply double standards to male vs. female sexuality (including the responses on this board).
Look at Burns. He slut-shames her for having an affair with a colleague she barely knew. He completely ignores Stella's very obvious "no" when he's in her hotel room. Then he dismisses her very correct worry about Sally Ann Spector's well-being and reaction to Paul's arrest. Then he rushes in, impotently, to lash out against Spector after it's too late for him to be of any help.
Burns is a real, complex, and human character ... and yet, so much of what is wrong with him has to do with his holding on to traditional masculinity. I read elsewhere on this board that The Fall attacks not the men characters themselves, but masculinity. Well, good. Masculinity needs to be critiqued.
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SuperCatMonkey
8 years ago
Feminism in general is stupid and pointless, but in this case it's not totally pointless. If they didn't present a militantly feminist point of view, the show would be panned as being brutally misogynistic. At least we don't have to listen to that ignorant crap.
I stand corrected. In this case it is totally pointless and we do have to listen to that ignorant crap.
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Waldimore
8 years ago
Thank you for taking up the chore of this thread.
It's a frustrating siege to deal with all these attitudes. Stella was a great complex character, a flawed woman on certain levels, but a smart and capable detective who caught Paul TWICE. That is one of the reasons his anger exploded and attacked her. The other was that she refuted his desire to believe that she wanted to save him by saying to his face that she only wanted to see him punished. It triggered all of the anger in that black hole over his feelings of abandonment by his mother's suicide.
These are great characters in a compelling story line. They contrast each other. All this nonsense about feminism ruining the show is nothing but a manifestation of real life attitudes that are way passed due to being resolved.
It's a real creepy feeling to read threads celebrating criminal behavior of a murderer, of mostly women to strains of "my hero."
There were some interesting story lines that converged surrounding the search of this serial killer. But some people are more interested in the part that fetishizes the murder/punishment of female victims by a man angry at his mother.
While I can empathize and even validate his anger, I can't validate taking it out on people who had no connection to his mother's actions. How about get some therapy? It's what people do when life has given them a raw deal. But he didn't do that and instead became a murderer who needed to be caught which is exactly what Stella did.
But I guess Stella needed to be a submissive understanding cop, for people to stay off her back. What part of, she is a cop hunting murderers don't people understand. Her being a woman doesn't have smack to do with it.
Paul's a murderer who has ruined lives, including his own children and has done to them what his mother did to him.
People should think twice before procreating and perpetuating vicious cycles.
Sorry, but that's my bottom line for both genders.
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