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For Those That Dont Get It: Room 237 is a CRITICAL THEORY Documentary


OK, I have to put this out here. There seems to be a shockingly large amount of viewers commenting on this board as if they were watching a documentary which was supposed to sway you one way or the other, or answer your lingering questions regarding loose-ends, continuity, plot, and etc. I see why you would have approached the film that way, given the press/trailer/your past experiences with documentaries, but let me be clear:

NO. If thats the case then you are looking for something only you can answer for yourself.

This is a documentary that explores the practice of Critical Theory applied to one of the most mysterious, most perfect films in American cinema history and arguably ever made. If you were to enroll in an English Literature Critical Theory seminar at your local University you would learn the theory

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I haven't read any of the replies to the OP, but if people want to know what type of film this is they need to watch F For Fake by Orson Welles. It's a different type of "documentary" than most people are used to.

Also, F for Fake is amazing and another masterpiece by Welles, which everyone should watch.

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Kubrick represents the Holocaust with the number 42, 2x3x7=42, but room 237 is also representative of “The Moon Room” which Kubrick symbolizes to mean that everything within is not real. Put two and two together, it seems that Kubrick is suggesting that the Holocaust is staged, or not real, it was manufactured as propaganda for the war effort. (1942 was the year the final solution was implemented)

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It seems to me that the makers of the doco are suggesting that Kubrick is suggesting that the Holocaust did not happen. It does not mean that he intended that, or that he was a Holocaust denier, but it could mean that he is asking people to consider the possibility, to think that Goldman and Sachs were big supporters of the Nazi movement, Jewish as they are, it would make sense that capitalist entities would like to sabotage that support, claiming Nazis are mass Jew killers would cause Goldman and Sachs to withdraw support for the National Socialist movement. Capitalist entities had a very strong interest in making sure National Socialism failed spectacularly, it posed a significant threat to their capitalist ways, their global dominance. With the Holocaust, no one will ever dare seek to employ National Socialism as a viable solution to political/economic/social organisation ever again. In reality, the Holocaust would be the result of Fascism, not National Socialism, but no one is willing to explore National Socialism because of the Holocaust. Just sayn...

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Shame they didn't include your interpretation in this documentary, Trek79.
Or was it a rant?
Difficult to tell.

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No, not a rant, just an observation. But anyone who even suggests that the Holocaust may have been staged, or even just exaggerated, is attacked as a Nazi sympathiser bigoted evil scumbag, so maybe the doco didn't want to stir up that hornets nest, or maybe they didn't see that connection, maybe they just leave it up to the watcher to ask that question (?)

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Wow. You should've been interviewed for "Room 237," because that "theory" would've fit right in with the other desperate logical leaps.

Critical theory is sorta interesting to me to a point, but at the tipping point sh*t gets silly awfully quick. The OP mentions that literature is often subjected to the same overanalysis, and I remember this happening in a lit class I took in college. I had a prof who was an authority on Willa Cather and insisted that all kinds of hidden, vague meanings were there. They weren't, but wasn't it pretty to think so?

I love "The Shining," but I tend to default back to thinking summarized well by Ebert's line: "If you have to ask what it symbolizes, it didn't.” That's a tad oversimplistic, as of course some symbolism in film is obvious to those with the right education and/or experience, but the point stands. My acceptance of meaningful symbolism, suggestion, and/or hidden meaning in film stops well short of that of the "Room 237" interviewees or yours. A filmmaker making a statement so vague that one in 10,000,000 people will comprehend doesn't count as a statement.

Or, maybe he put it there just for you! If you look hard, maybe you'll see your own face in the clouds above the Overlook!


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You are probably right, people have estimated the I.Q of Kubrick up around 210, so a lot of people will presume he would leave symbolism that is only acknowledgeable to people of a certain intellectual calibre, and it would make people, in a primal egocentric sense, make them feel somewhat superior if they could make such interpretations. That is basically what I'd chalk it down to.

But having said that; I don't think Kubrick was a holocaust denier, nor am I, but if anything he would have been acknowledging that it wasn't only the Nazis who were using propaganda to inspire the war effort, certain factors were likely over dramatized by the allies also.

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I don't know what kind of sense of humor Kubrick had, but I have to wonder if he inserted some of the little inconsistencies or "continuity errors" in The Shining just to mess with people. He was no doubt aware that he had some rabid fans who would comb through the movie for hidden meaning. I've read that Bunuel did this on occasion. "Hey, let's throw an emu into this scene for no reason. People will soil themselves coming up with interpretations."

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That is the thing with genius on the level of Kubrick, you can look to Leonardo Da Vinci as a template; people think a genius is confined to an absolute perfection of one particular area of expertise, but Da Vinci was a scientist, inventor, philosopher, artist, creative and logical, but what they omit is he was a psychological master also; he was a master of socialisation, a master of humour, a master practical joker.

An example is The Shroud of Turin; the Vatican accepted this as the burial shroud of Jesus Christ for centuries, but it turns out it was an experiment Da Vinci did with pioneer photography, it is actually a photo of himself. This is the kind of hoaxes Da Vinci engineered, and you can also look to "The Da Vinci Code" for verification.

Genius on the level of Kubrick would no doubt be no different; he would have left brain puzzles behind, more hoax than credible.

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Um - it's an ATTEMPT at a critical theory documentary. The narration and production was so horrendous, it was a big let down.

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What kind of lunatic would defend this movie or what ever its suppose to be? I bet you were one of the crazy people in the film. lol




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Your explanation is very insightful and helpful. This was definitely an interesting experiment in Critical Theory.

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