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People who like to "figure out the twist"...


Not just with this show, but with any movies or shows. Somehow I have always been annoyed by those people. Or people who ask "have you figured it out yet?" when you're watching a movie with them that they have seen before. Or even after a movie when people you're with will immediately start asking "how long did it take you to figure it out?"

Not sure why, but those people always strike me as dull. I don't want to "figure it out". If I wanted to "figure it out" I would go to work and start a new project.



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I would think that most human brains would intuitively want to "figure it out". Are you maybe mad because you can never "figure it out" on your own?

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No. I don't try to figure it out. If the story has decent writing it's more enjoyable to be delivered the story as it's intended to be seen. It's a movie, not a puzzle.



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You sound like a dull simpleton.

Oh the irony.

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I just get annoyed if I know there's a twist beforehand. I like to be completely surprised, not spending my whole time concentrating on what the twist could possibly be. For example, when I watched White Bear, I had no idea that there was a twist and I loved the surprise of the ending.

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Exactly it's not like I WANT to figure out the twist, it's just when you know beforehand your mind can't help but wonder what it might be

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Dull? What's more boring: a person who works things out, or a person who sits and waits for information to be delivered to them?

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^ Exactly

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It has more to do with being able to appreciate a piece of art as it's intended to be seen.




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That'd be a better argument if it followed logically. What makes you think it's "intended to be seen" any other way than to simply be enjoyed? - What makes you think it's not "intended" to be analyzed, or understood? They say when you converse with someone your brainwaves start to sync up, being able to figure out what happens next might put you on the same wavelength as the creators. It's also a bit authoritarian, isn't it? In a literal way you're saying "accept what you're given and don't question it." Further, I fail to see how this explanation does anything to justify your categorization of these people as "dull." Is there actually anything inherently "dull" about not appreciating something "as intended?" There are lots of things that don't even come off as intended, can I criticize those? And, again, who's going to referee my experience as I watch, because I'm pretty sure I can have any reaction I want.

Also if something is "intended" to surprise me and it just isn't surprising, I'm not at fault. Now, I'm one of the few people who makes a distinction between what is genuinely unsurprising and what I can guess at, so doesn't personally surprise me. Either way, I can't actually help the process of my brain. If you plant seeds for a future event in your narrative, because you're a good writer, and don't want it to come out of nowhere, don't be surprised if I can figure that shit out. And if you're a terrible writer and your idea of a "surprise" is "it turns out the murderer did it" then I'm sorry, you don't get your Chocolate Frosted Kudos.

There are also many different ways to appreciate a piece of art, outside of taking in its "surprises." There'd be no reason at all to watch a movie more than once otherwise. Plot twists are largely a superficial parlor game, rarely capable of supporting a narrative on their own merits. If you're to rely on them as the "intent" of your story, you better damn well be trying to make it a game of one-upmanship to impress your audience with how much you know they might know. Relying on audiences to accept what you've got as "surprising" because that's your "intent" is just an excuse to avoid putting in the actual effort of being surprising. It's disrespectful to an audience that (presumably at least) paid to see you be clever. On the flipside, as a viewer, you tell writers it's okay to be lazy, because you're basically a sucker anyway.

If there's one kind of person I find dull, it's someone who thinks not thinking is the best way to do anything that isn't meditation.


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You really have outed yourself to be a moron. And 100% of the responses to your little post should make that clear to you.

Unless you haven't "figured that out" yet.

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No, it is not clear. In fact, I still get annoyed by people who focus on figuring out the twist instead of just watching the movie and taking the plot as it comes.



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You know, I wouldn't go as far as this guy, but you're not helping your case any by repeating the same sentiment, in exactly the same way, over and over.

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Sure, it was a little harsh. But look at that, as you suggested, he immediately supported my harsh commentary on him by literally repeating the exact thing for which he was criticized.

Almost to the point that he had to be doing it intentionally.

And if that were the case, I could at least give him some respect.

But alas, I do not believe it to be so.

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OP does have a point in cases where the ending of an episode/series is delivered as a cold opening. In particular, the current spy show Berlin Station is a case in point as I've spent 7 hours trying to sort out how they end up at the point they are at in the first two minutes of the pilot. The story would have flowed better IMHO if they hadn't shown the ending first so I could concentrate on all of the story and not be constantly looking for the twist where the spy is betrayed. As is, it is a beautifully done "LeCarre" class show with multiple story arcs full of deception so that you aren't sure who is being straight with someone and who is playing someone.

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I don't know if you realize this or not, but that's actually a completely different argument.

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I do have when people tell me there is a twist or "have you figured it out," but to complain about people who try to figure the twist out....? That is just absurd! Your argument is that it takes away from the movie/show. I disagree 100%. By trying to figure out what is going on constantly you end up soaking in more information than just watching it. So these people you hate actually do what you love better than you haha.

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What I'm more interested in is how well a show/movie sets up a twist. I hate it when a twist is thrown in completely from left field just to be surprising, shocking, whatever. The best twists are ones where we have subtle hints that allow for the potential of guessing the twist but aren't obvious enough that the twist is easy to foresee.

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Don't go to the Westworld board then. People get so hang up on theories, they get dissapointed when plots don't end how they expected or how they predicted it

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What I think is annoying is people who proclaim the have the twist figured out...

with 15 minutes left to go in the movie! lol

Good job!

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They're a step ahead of the movie, I don't see the problem.

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Ironically, shows wouldn't let you know there's going to be a twist if they didn't want you to try to figure it out. That's part of the allure, and it means that doing so actually IS watching it as intended.

I don't get bothered by people wanting to know what the twist is, I get bothered by people who demand that they KNOW the twist and become very self-righteous about being able to figure it out. Even if they are right I don't necessarily know if I wanted to be spoiled if their theory is correct.

But, it's not like it's difficult to avoid those people and/or conversations. So you're just complaining for the sake of it.

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