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REAL EXPLANATION OF THE FILM


People really haven't grasped what this movie was about. I'll explain.

The movie is about how it feels to be an artist struggling to make "real" art (as opposed to something that he thinks he can sell) with absolutely no idea whether his work will ever be appreciated or translate into a living. Meanwhile success is actually just around the corner, and all his aimless behavior will turn out, in retrospect, to have been heroic struggling against the odds to make something genuine.

The point of the flashback at the end is that Bob Dylan playing at the Gaslight (which wasn't revealed at the start) completely changes how all the other scenes in the film must be understood. Once Dylan became successful in real life, the entire folk scene in NYC got a huge amount of attention. Llewyn might or might not become super-sucessful, but he'd at least be able to make a good living and be lifted out of purgatory. We can safely assume this because the story is actually based on a memoir by Dave Van Ronk, who did indeed achieve subsequent success - the title is a reference to his 1963 album "Inside Dave Van Ronk".

A few notes on specific scenes from the film:

- If Dylan was already big, the Record Exec played by F Murray Abraham would NOT have concluded that he "couldn't see any money here" after hearing him play ultra-serious folk. The ownership of his back catalog would be contested and he would immediately be offered an advance on future recordings, because Bob Dylan would have proved that something like that can translate for a larger audience.

- If Llewyn had succeeded in getting on a ship of the merchant navy, he'd have missed out on the coming folk resurgence and all his struggles would have been for nothing.

- The novelty song about Kennedy sending people into outer space may or may not be a hit, and we're supposed to assume Llewyn refusing royalties is a mistake at the time of the scene - but when "serious" folk music becomes suddenly commercial, having it on his resume would make him look like a for-hire hack and ruin his ability to sell himself as a real artist. Whether a hit or not, Kennedy is going to be assassinated in less than two years and it will seem tasteless and be utterly forgotten.

- Llewyn is NOT as flawed and misguided as he often appears. The reason he's depicted as such is because he actually buys the perception of Jean that he's an a-hole, even though he's totally committed in his desire to make something meaningful when most around him are not. He's sometimes obnoxious, but he also blithely pays for ALL of Jean's abortion (and has done so before with a previous girlfriend) even though she would almost certainly be at least as able to pay for half given that unlike him, she's not literally homeless.

- The flashback also reveals that the man in the bar DID have sex with Jean, which means that Jean is hardly a saint herself, given that she has apparently cheated on her boyfriend with multiple partners. Yet she is by far the most critical of Llewyn in the film - which calls the whole "Llewyn is an a-hole" premise into question: Llewyn actually cares that he lost the cat - he goes to see his dad and doesn't get angry when he reacts to hearing his music by soiling himself. He's not an *beep* at all, he's just not following the same principles as everyone else because he has a Calling that's more important to him than "just existing".


Hope this helps. I'd appreciate bumping, too many people seem to have not grasped the internal logic of this movie and are underrating it as a result, much like they did with A Serious Man. Like that film, it's seem more or less flawless to me, you just need to understand what it's doing.

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I dont understand why people still think this movie has some sort of time warp... its like no one has ever seen a film where they show the ending in the first scene, stop abruptly and then come back to it full circle at the end. Pulp Fiction, anyone? Fight Club? Sunset Boulevard??

Its not that complicated guys. Please stop before you hurt yourselves hahaha
Im starting to think that people were maybe so bored they had to come up with ways to make the film more interesting to themselves and others... not saying the film was boring since I agree with someone else on here that it was a "mood piece" about a time and a place and I accept it for what it was and love it but seriously...

If you really want a key to the film: it starts with the end at the Gaslight, flashes back to the beginning when he lets the cat out, then.... as you'll notice... he learns from his mistake by NOT letting the cat out at the END of the movie, thus suggesting what we saw in the beginning could not have been the same scenes twice.

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> "I dont understand why people still think this movie has some sort of
> time warp..."

I don't put it in those terms. I think it is a film where one of the themes is that (in Jean's words) "the same sh*t is going to keep happening to you", and that this theme is symbolized by having the same scenes repeat themselves, or almost repeat themselves, at the beginning and end of the film. This intended to symbolize Llewyn being caught in a circle, where it is his own choices that prevent his escape. Regardless of whether the initial scene is "literally" a flash-forward (which is arguable), I still think its placement is meant to be symbolic of the cycle Llewyn is caught in.

> "its like no one has ever seen a film where they show the ending in the
> first scene, stop abruptly and then come back to it full circle at the
> end. Pulp Fiction, anyone? Fight Club? Sunset Boulevard??"

Its not that I have not seen films like that. It is just that I am interpreting THIS film in its own context and on its own terms.

> "If you really want a key to the film: it starts with the end at the
> Gaslight, flashes back to the beginning when he lets the cat out,
> then.... as you'll notice... he learns from his mistake by NOT letting
> the cat out at the END of the movie, thus suggesting what we saw in
> the beginning could not have been the same scenes twice."

But that's exactly what throws us for a loop. Up until he stops the cat from getting out, we already thought the film had come full circle, apparently repeating scenes from the beginning of the movie - specifically, the scene where Llewyn calls "hello? hello?" and then the cat emerges into the hall followed by Llewyn in his underwear. So we were already thinking "this is like Pulp Fiction (or whatever)". And then he opens the door and we think we know what's coming because we've already seen this scene. And then the cat fails to get out and we go "Huh?"

From then on, we can no longer be certain ...

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OP, thanks, I had not considered the idea of Llewyn's impending turn of fortune, and inevitable success, based on Bob Dylan's arrival.

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I guess in the end it doesnt really matter, as long as the film was enjoyed by the viewer. Everybody's free to interpret the film in their own way, and with he Coen's track record of amiguity I wouldnt say its a stretch that they may have wanted it to have been left open to debate. Only somehow the film that you're describing sounds more like Barton Fink... in that film I could accept that the protagonist was stuck in a Limbo or Purgatory... or even a writer's circle of Hell. I have to admit that I wondered if it was Roland Turner's curse that kept Llewyn from success and that was why he probably never made it to a Dylan-level of fame. Regardless, Ive seen the film repeatedly and have a different feeling about the ending every time I see it (the meaning of the farewell "au revoir", meant to be optimistic or finalistic? does Llewyn give up on the music once and for all or stick around long enough for subsequent boom of Dylan?"). Its like what the Adrien Brody character from "Bullet" was saying about seeing the same shade of blue by the same person at different times having different effects and an artists work no longer belongs to the artist after put in the public's perspective... its an individual relationship between the viewer and the art.

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" he learns from his mistake by NOT letting the cat out at the END of the movie"

No, for God's sake. Him blocking the cat's escape happens before he gets to the club and is later beaten up (which means the blocking of the cat's escape happens before the opening scene of the film).

The cat escapes the morning AFTER he is beaten up, which we don't see at the end because the film ends on the night of the beating.




'Then' and 'than' are different words - stop confusing them.

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Great stuff, thank you so much!

I would add that in light of what you wrote I see the end as a farewell to trouble, to hard times. I kept seeing the music, the songs in the movie as these islands in a sea of emptiness, or at least a lack of interest. No matter what we thought about Llewyn, these songs had a life of their own, a spirit. The musicians went about life with a sort of instinct, like a cat finding its way home. I'd say it's a movie about life finding a way, as always, if we only follow our gut... and tried to be good.

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I too very much like what the initial post had to say; I also like what you say.

I like the way you describe the songs Llewyn sings. Maybe it's partly because I always loved Dave Van ROnk's music, but i kept thinking how much deeper and more original Llewyn was than the characters in the movie who were more successful -- who often sounded so,well,insipid in comparison. I am NOT referring to Dylan,but to a lot of those groups singing songs that no longer get to me--but Van Ronk's still do. After nearly 50 years, i guess it's safe to say they always will.

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Smurgledorf, superb analysis of the film. Rarely do I read such thoughtful commentary on the IMDB message board. It was a pleasure to read what you've posted here.

I agree, he was not the flawed character he's been called by some. I love the way the script gives him moments of crisis, where he must choose this or that, like the exit to Akron: his choices may seem to some selfish, but I take these moments as the choices one makes to succeed as an artist. Making the character in certain moments cantankerous keeps him from being this sentimental Artist-as-saint, which would have been horrible. Besides, the Coen Brothers are in a sense approaching the overall mysteries of the world in terms of chance, coincidence, and free choice; their's is an epic depiction of a single, perhaps insignificant though talented, character.

Over the last few years, the Coen's films have final shots that leave me paralyzed with undefinable, contradictory emotions. In this film, when I try to understand just how what happens at the end achieves this affect, I'm at a loss - and, I must add, I rarely am at a loss. The guy just watches the cab go down the street and turn the corner. Simpler then the spectacular and mystifying finale to A GOOD MAN, which I found devastating; and yet, the powerful response it creates in me is overwhelming.

Their screenplay is one that I would use to teach creative writing. In some of the post people complain there's no story being told, but there is a story; it's just not the kind of melodramatic formula we have been conditioned to accept, even in good movies. The way the Coen Brother blend their plot into other forms of observations, without drawing attention to the mechanics of plot; the way they put us in the title character's shoes; and along the way, give us visual pin-pricks that stab at our imaginations, suggesting a mysterious, mystical order of the world (without articulating any of it in the dialogue), all seems easily arrived at while watching the film. But like, for instance, 8 1/2, when you start to think about all the elements and how they are combined, interweaved, this result is not easily arrived at. The writing may be simple, but what the writing communicates is mind bogglingly complex.

Finally, this question: why was John Goodman not nominated for an Oscar?

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The problem with what most everyone here is saying is that there IS NO FLASHBACK/FLASH FORWARD.
He is clearly reliving his life which is used in the film to show what's like to be a struggling musician.
1) First time, the cat escapes. Second time, he knows enough to keep it in.
2) Second time he gives the (in my opinion) performance of the whole movie.

Both examples show that things just might be on the uptick for the guy....or maybe not. It's a Cohen Brothers movie afterall....

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Btw Wikipedia presents things entirely different.It says the film just replays the scene in the beginning.
According to them..There are no flashbacks.He went on the trip after getting beaten.After abusing the lady he goes to Gorfeins'(maybe to sleep on their couch) to find their cat returned.We wakes up next morning and stops the cat from going out.
He stares at a poster of Disney's Incredible Journey which says

"A fantastic true life drama..
Nothing Could stop them-only instinct to guide them across 200 perilous miles of Canadian wilderness!"
(Is this is indirect reference at his cross country road trip???)
and the films ends there..at least chronologically..
Then the first scene 'replays'.

So the film should be a loop or how he could get beaten up in the first scene if he hasnt abused the lady yet??

Or Wikipedia could be terribly wrong.

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Smurg - thanks for your views. It helps me like the movie more. I really didn't like it. NO likable characters, and so depressing. I would have liked it more if they hadn't pushed the Van Ronk connection so much, before the movie came out. I think I'll like this movie more, with time.
The only part I liked was the outstanding acting by Carey Mulligan. As always.
And some of the music - which paled to the 'another day' concert!!!
I thought it was odd that in the first scene after the alley attack, Llewyn had no marks on his face. But I didn't expect that it was a flash-forward.
And WOW - that was Nancy Blake he was heckling??? Probably the best casting in the movie! (wife and sidekick of Norman Blake)

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"- The flashback also reveals that the man in the bar DID have sex with Jean, which means that Jean is hardly a saint herself, given that she has apparently cheated on her boyfriend with multiple partners. Yet she is by far the most critical of Llewyn in the film - which calls the whole "Llewyn is an a-hole" premise into question: Llewyn actually cares that he lost the cat - he goes to see his dad and doesn't get angry when he reacts to hearing his music by soiling himself. He's not an *beep* at all, he's just not following the same principles as everyone else because he has a Calling that's more important to him than "just existing"

Regardless if Jean is not a "saint" herself, her husband was Llewyn's friend. Whatever type of person SHE is, has no bearing on what kind of person LLewyn is. We already know that he paid for what he thought was an abortion, and he seemed pretty resigned to paying his money and going about his life while paying for the 2nd one.

His over reaction to the wife of the cat couple showed assholieness, regardless if he was feeling *sensitive* about his dead partner. And do you think his sister had no call to think that her brother was an a-hole? There was no history of him being a jerk?

Lots of people love cats. Some of these people are *beep* If he was going to drag the one cat on a trip with him, he should have cared for this cat's care to the end.

Maybe he wasn't an *beep* but he certainly didn't seem like a person anyone could count on. Nevertheless...I liked him.

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The OP sez:

"The movie is about how it feels to be an artist struggling to make "real" art (as opposed to something that he thinks he can sell) with absolutely no idea whether his work will ever be appreciated or translate into a living. Meanwhile success is actually just around the corner, and all his aimless behavior will turn out, in retrospect, to have been heroic struggling against the odds to make something genuine. "

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No, just no. It's not about that at all.

- That's what the Cohens and all the promos want you to believe, but Lewyn wasn't a pure artist dedicated to his vision. He was just a jerk. A miserable anti-social misfit who crapped on everyone that tried to help him or be nice to him.

That's pretty much the entire movie. It certainly wasn't about artistic integrity, nor was it at all about the folk scene in the early 60's.


- And that's the whole problem.

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Okay he was a jerk, but he did have talent. How many "miserable anti-social misfits" have made it big in the music industry?

Many, too numerous to mention.

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Good Point.
They were probably smart enough to go with a business manager like Bud Grossman.
Llewyn just didn't get it.
He accused Jean of things....
... he was blind to his own careerism, squareness and sadness.



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