I was about an hour into this and had to shut it off - its preposterous!!!! I could see playing along with the "police officer" in the beginning - but by this point, again, an hour into the film - there is no one, not even on planet earth, stupid enough to not be able to see that there is some kind of BS going on with the officer. If anyone disagrees with me Id love to hear an alternative opinion.
shareThe real manager and her boyfriend weren't even has hesitant as shown in the movie. They actually made the two look slightly better than they were in real life. Read up oin the news.
shareA hello and thank you to the last two people that replied to my "absolutely preposterous" thread. Ok, are you guys saying this happened in real life??? I cant believe that!! No one could possibly be that stupid. I dont mean to be rude or suggest you guys are full of it - but is there something I could read up on regarding the so called "truth" of this film??? I dont even know how it ends cuz I shut it off. It was during that scene where the guy (I think it was Van) agrees to spank that poor young girl that I said hell with this - its preposterous!!! If this all really did happen, then I guess I have overestimated humanity, lol. Love to see some proof - thanks guys.
shareGoogle Mount Washington McDonalds Incident it will show you that this wasn't just one isolated incident, but multiple incident across several states.
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My men fight just as well when they are stinking of P*U*S*S*Y- Julius Caesar
WOW!! That is one bizarre story. I guess Im the one that's stupid because I wouldn't have believed in a million years that anyone would have gone along with that BS from the "cop". Now that I know this actually happened I am going to watch the film again, this time all the way thru. Itll be a good education for the next time I think "no one could possibly be that stupid". I'm glad at least the poor girl scored (got 1.1 million). Thanks for sending me the info!!
shareI personally do not think McDonalds owed her a dime. She sued McDonalds and not the emplyee because she knew the fired employee didnt ahve money. I put responsibility on the victim at 25%, 75% on the fired employee and none on McDonalds. THe rationale for the verdict against McDonalds was stupid.
shareYeah I agree but I cant blame her. I would've tried to score off of that ordeal myself. A question though - how do you figure the victim was 25% responsible??? Yeah, she was stupid but at least she has the excuse of being young and not knowing any better. To me the one that was incomprehensibly stupid was the store manager. She should have known better.
sharesaneman1, you're an idiot. Of course McDonald's owed her something! This happened in the *beep* workplace! Companies are required to make the workplace safe and free of harassment and I think we can both agree this goes far, far beyond harassment. This manager is a mouthpiece for McDonald's corporate. By complying with actions that not only psychologically endangered but also physically violated this young girl she made McDonald's culpable for any harm caused her. Firing the manager isn't enough to make it right. McDonald's owed reparations for harm caused this woman by their representative and on their property. Grow a brain before you post *beep*
shareOK since you name call me, let me return the favor , moron. if McDonalds didn't screen the manager properly when they hired her, they should be liable. But there was no evidence they ignored any red flags in her past. The manager brought her boyfriend in AGAINST COMPANY REGULATIONS. once McDonalds found that out, they fired her. THe only thing they brought against mcDondalds was there were other prank calls at other locations in the past. But there was no evidence that the managers in other intances broke any company regulations and brought their boyfriends/girlfriends to stripsearch employees. Should a corporation have to be supercautious even in common sense situations?? Do you know how long the company handbook would be if they had to guard against every single contingency in life , no matter how uncomplicated they are?
The girl was 19. How stupid do you have to be follow such idiotic orders? Ok , maybe just maybe I can see how some naive teenager could fall for a strip search order. But how the hell do you convince yourself oral sex is acceptable????????????? Yes, I read the pyschological analysis of such a situatin, and guess what, only certain people fall under such a rule and such people should just live and learn for their stupidity. That is why I lay 25% blame on the victim and 75% on the manager. 0% on McDonalds.
Unfortunately, the people on the jury were idiots like you are. That is why McDonalds had to pay up. This verdict in my opinion was actually much worse than the burning coffee case where McDondals was at least shown to ignore simmilar incidents in the past. (I am on the fence on that coffee case , I might have given personal damages but not punitive).
I don't think you can get 100% true conversation from the movie or the wiki. Only people who were involved knows the actual conversation. Yes, the movie may make both the employee and the manager look naive. The writer tries only to replicate what *may* have happened conversation wise. I'll give benefit of doubt that the actual con-artist conversation is lot more convincing/authoritative. You also must take into account that there is strong hierarchy in fast food chain. Customer is always right, manager, then the nobody who works whatever (not saying that's right, but it's the way it is). The manager should called the regional manager. But she knew she have other problems that she didn't want to bring up to the regional manager and decided to blindly follow this so-call authority/police.
The *beep* make pranks call to only fast food places because they know managers are too busy, have other problems, just want to solve everything as fast as possible, often following "authorities" without question, and are generally not the brightest people. If they call in to a law office and nothing like that would happen. It's unfortunate that young girl got taken advantage of. In term of responsibility, manager/her boyfriend, corporate, and then the young teen. You can't really put a % on it because you don't have access to the actual conversation/tape, just the movie's interpretation.
It's a fact that McDonald's was aware of "pranks" like this being played in the past and they had to defend themselves against similar situations in four different states prior to the incident in Kentucky. The fact that McDonald's failed to give their restaurants a heads up to be on the look out for this type of situation suggests some level of negligence on their part IMO. Seriously, how hard is it to send out a memo to the restaurants to let people know that multiple restaurants have been hit and to just be aware?
shareAnd my point is that you cannot just have a bulletin for every single prank or scam that happens. While there were prank calls to a TINY percentage of McDonalds franchises, there were no instances where the pranks worked to the extent where an employee gave a manager or a relative of the manager oral sex. It is just beyond common sense that an employee needs a warning that you go through such motions EVEN IF A REAL COP ordered you to do so.
shareExactly, that argument is *beep* You wouldn't accept "well someone should have told me!" to excuse a 6-year-old's actions. But we have become so accustomed to these huge lawsuits that it starts to seem like anything bad that happens must be the fault of the richest corporation involved.
share"THe only thing they brought against mcDondalds was there were other prank calls at other locations in the past."
well, there you have it. after the very first incident they would have had to inform each and every other employee that works at any of their franchises about that incident. of course they did not, which makes them liable of making it possible to happen again.
"laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone." - Dae-su Oh
I believe the girl was 18. What was she supposed to do, run out in the street naked? Once that big guy came, she probably couldn't have gotten past him. She said that she feared for her life. I would have, as well, especially at that age.
You're just using the same-old-same-old "blame-the-victim" tactics. The girl had zero responsibility. She had to undergo PTSD counseling and spent many years afraid of relationships. She gave up a dream to go to medical school as a result.
I heard McDonalds finally settled with her for $1.1 million in total, way less than the jury awarded. While she lost millions in potential salary as a doctor, not to mention pain and suffering and lost years of her life battling PTSD. The system worked but only partially.
I would hate to have such a dumb person become a doctor.
shareYou're all stupid..McDonalds is a franchise...each restaurant (or group of restaurants) is independently owned and operated but is supplied by McDonalds Corp and in order to keep the franchise they must operate in accordance with McDonalds policies. McDonald's could not have been sued, the store owner or management could only have been sued.
shareyou must not work in HR or know anything about the law
Hello seestra, nice to see you again.
The girl was not at fault at all. Do you place blame on all rape victims at 25% or is this one special because she worked at McDonald's? Did you not catch the part where she was begging them to stop and let her go?
McDonald's was liable to a degree, because the harassment occurred in the workplace. If you work in a factory and get your hand cut off by a machine, then you deserve benefits, just like if you work in a restaurant and get sexually assaulted by the GM and her boyfriend, who are also victims but who were liable(which they are because they broke several of the restaurant's policies AND because they should have been strong enough to say "no, I'm not going to do this, and if I go to jail, I go to jail.")
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Clearly you didn't read my full comment. As I said near the end, that's why the GM and her manager went to jail, because they should have said, "If you need to do police work, do it your own damn self."
shareFrom what I read her manager did not go to jail but was awarded 400k. Tbe husband was imprisoned for 5 years for what he done.
RAWR!
She was 19. She saw $$$$$ in her future! The real videos can be found and they show that she should have been in the movie. She's quite the actress.
Watch all the real videos and you'll see that everyone get screwed BUT her.
She was 19. She saw $$$$$ in her future! The real videos can be found and they show that she should have been in the movie. She's quite the actress.
Watch all the real videos and you'll see that everyone get screwed BUT her.
I haven't watched the movie because I'm absolutely certain it's BS. The real story shows the news media and Louise Ogborn were just as duplicitous as the phony cop. McDonald's was the biggest loser here. Louise Ogborn enjoyed herself and that's VISIBLE in the short uncensored version where she and the manager's fiance were "going along" with the phony cop and deceiving the McDonald's Mgr. Yeah, you read that right.
The news media made the story up that they showed and they knew they were lying. It's the easiest money Louise Ogborn ever made!
If anyone wants to get angry with me for "blaming the victim," find. ONLY WATCH THE REAL VIDEOS BEFORE you open your mouth, especially the 4:26 and/or the 2:32. Compare those with the song and dance the media gave you and the crocodile tears Louise gave you. Some of you will be impressed with her acting ability.
I can promise you that if she had it to do over again, she'd do it again!
She was 19. She saw $$$$$ in her future! The real videos can be found and they show that she should have been in the movie. She's quite the actress and she could have been paid twice! Of course, the first paycheck would have been the better!
Watch all the real videos and you'll see that everyone get screwed BUT Louise. Louise got set-up for life!
I haven't watched the movie because I'm absolutely certain it's BS. The real story shows the news media and Louise Ogborn were just as duplicitous as the phony cop. McDonald's was the biggest loser here. Louise Ogborn enjoyed herself and that's VISIBLE in the short uncensored version where she and the manager's fiance were "going along" with the phony cop and deceiving the McDonald's Mgr. Yeah, you read that right.
The news media made the story up that they showed and they knew they were lying. It's the easiest money Louise Ogborn ever made!
If anyone wants to get angry with me for "blaming the victim," find. ONLY WATCH THE REAL VIDEOS BEFORE you open your mouth, especially the 4:26 and/or the 2:32. Compare those with the song and dance the media gave you and the crocodile tears Louise gave you. Some of you will be impressed with her acting ability.
I can promise you that if she had it to do over again, she'd do it again!
She was 19. She saw $$$$$ in her future! The real videos can be found and they show that she should have been in the movie. She's quite the actress and she could have been paid twice! Of course, the first paycheck would have been the better!
Watch all the real videos and you'll see that everyone get screwed BUT Louise. Louise got set-up for life!
I haven't watched the movie because I'm absolutely certain it's BS. The real story shows the news media and Louise Ogborn were just as duplicitous as the phony cop. McDonald's was the biggest loser here. Louise Ogborn enjoyed herself and that's VISIBLE in the short uncensored version where she and the manager's fiance were "going along" with the phony cop and deceiving the McDonald's Mgr. Yeah, you read that right.
The news media made the story up that they showed and they knew they were lying. It's the easiest money Louise Ogborn ever made!
If anyone wants to get angry with me for "blaming the victim," find. ONLY WATCH THE REAL VIDEOS BEFORE you open your mouth, especially the 4:26 and/or the 2:32. Compare those with the song and dance the media gave you and the crocodile tears Louise gave you. Some of you will be impressed with her acting ability.
I can promise you that if she had it to do over again, she'd do it again!
If you could be bothered to stay to the end credits and do your research before giving your opinion then you will see that this movie was based on actual events 70 of them to be exact.
Ok the movie may have taken a bit of poetic license but the bottom dollar is based on true events. Remember Borat americans fell for him did they not?
Of course, McDonald is hugely responsible in this situation. As a hord nose franchise management corporation, they obviously dictate every micro centimeter and nano capsule of anything that goes into their operation, branding, production, training, communication and throughput.... and make Billions in the process. They enforce stringent and draconian rules to ensure uniformity across all franchises in all continents. Come on, don't tell me they don't take blame for being sloppy in sharing alerts across their chain and making people wise to scams at the first crack. That is what you expect from fortune 500 companies or else they pay. 1.1 Million is a laughable loose change for these guys in tal glass towers. Pity people like the girl who get victimized.
shareI'm with you sir. I wouldn't have made it more than 20 minutes in if it wasn't based on real events.
shareYou aren't the one that's stupid, this is so absurd that anybody would think it impossible.
sharehey i don't blame you was quote unquote that stupid...which of course you are not cause you are right its totally unbelievable that people can and are just that stupid and gullible
HEY LOOK AT ME!!....Oh no now I have to say something clever...Um banana, aw crap!
I felt the exact same way as you! This is unbelievable. I feel horrible for the girl, for her being so naive and dumb, but also for getting herself in this situation... how do you live with yourself after this??? It's also all caught on camera (CCTV)... I can't imagine how her brother, mother or father felt after knowing this... so sad.
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Hello seestra, nice to see you again.
I really liked your post. It takes a big person to admit being wrong about something like this. As I watched this movie (I just finished watching before this post) I got thinking "OK, you've watched cop shows... we all have. Does this even fit? A cop asking a civilian to do something clearly illegal?" But our cast of characters are all "grunts" (sorry for the negative stereotype, but they are all the grown-up versions of those who thought the knowledge provided by school was a waste of time).
We're in trouble in general.
The film states that this is based on a true story...After Fargo, that is not always accurate, but it's likely that it is.
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Truth be told, I had to see you one more time, even if it was from a distance.
This one, besides the names of the people, was pretty accurate to what really happened to Louise Ogborn.
We made a land where crap is king, and the good don't last too long.
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Also the Millgrams experiment showed that a voice of authority in the right circumstance can get the majority of people to kill someone. So not unbelievable at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
1) This was inspired by a true story
2) The Milgram Experiment has proven time and time again what people are willing to do when told by an authority figure.
Stepping over what now towers to the sky
With no connection...
-The Shins (Phantom Limb)
Right. The situation here was as follows:
1) Suggestible person working under stress.
2) Plausible-sounding authority figure, using the back-up lie of speaking to the company's regional manager.
3) Caller who uses tactics to elicit information that tends to corroborate his story.
I kept thinking, too, 'Why isn't she checking things out? Why isn't she in the least bit suspicious?' But I've been on the receiving end of a dupe at work - nowhere near as serious as this, mind - and I know how easy it is, under stress, to get sucked in. Even when every light was flashing off in my head 'You're being duped!'... I still went along because I feared my job was on the line. The other thing is - as was demonstrated in this case - when you're under those pressures, you 'see' the situation in a false light. In other words, you tend not to see the obvious.
So.... preposterous-seeming, yes. But until you're in that circumstance, you just don't know.
The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery.
Okay... here's another thing. I once circulated this 'memo' at work using official company notepaper:
SWEARING AT WORK
--Forwarded to you by the Human Resources Department--
Dear Employees:
It has been brought to management's attention that some individuals throughout the company have been using foul language during the course of normal conversation with their co-workers.
Due to complaints received from some employees who may be easily offended, this type of language will no longer be tolerated. We do however, realize the critical importance of being able to accurately express your feelings when communicating with co-workers.
Therefore, a list of 18 New and Innovative "TRY SAYING" phrases have been provided so that proper exchange of ideas and information can continue in an effective manner.
• 1) TRY SAYING: I think you could use more training.
INSTEAD OF: You don't know what the f___ you're doing.
• 2) TRY SAYING: She's an aggressive go-getter.
INSTEAD OF: She's a ball-busting b__ch.
• 3) TRY SAYING: Perhaps I can work late.
INSTEAD OF: And when the f___ do you expect me to do this?
• 4) TRY SAYING: I'm certain that isn't feasible.
INSTEAD OF: No f______ way.
• 5) TRY SAYING: Really?
INSTEAD OF: You've got to be sh__ing me!
• 6) TRY SAYING: Perhaps you should check with...
INSTEAD OF: Tell someone who gives a sh__.
• 7) TRY SAYING: I wasn't involved in the project.
INSTEAD OF: It's not my f______ problem.
• TRY SAYING: That's interesting.
INSTEAD OF: What the f___?
• 9) TRY SAYING: I'm not sure this can be implemented.
INSTEAD OF: This sh__ won't work.
• 10) TRY SAYING: I'll try to schedule that.
INSTEAD OF: Why the f___ didn't you tell me sooner?
• 11) TRY SAYING: He's not familiar with the issues.
INSTEAD OF: He's got his head up his a__.
• 12) TRY SAYING: Excuse me, sir?
INSTEAD OF: Eat sh__ and die.
• 13) TRY SAYING: So you weren't happy with it?
INSTEAD OF: Kiss my a__.
• 14) TRY SAYING: I'm a bit overloaded at the moment.
INSTEAD OF: F___ it, I'm on salary.
• 15) TRY SAYING: I don't think you understand.
INSTEAD OF: Shove it up your a__.
• 16) TRY SAYING: I love a challenge.
INSTEAD OF: This job sucks.
• 17) TRY SAYING: You want me to take care of that?
INSTEAD OF: Who the f___ died and made you boss?
• 18) TRY SAYING: He's somewhat insensitive.
INSTEAD OF: He's a pr_ck.
Thank You,
Human Resources
Clearly a joke, eh? But the company notepaper convinced people it was real. I was hearing intelligent colleagues complaining about 'the language police telling us what we're allowed to say now.' It's astonishing what some people can be convinced of it there's even a veneer of authority about it.
The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery.
1. Yep, and pretty true to the events.
2. I agree, but once asked to strip search and describe her body, there is no way I would believe it was an authority figure. Also, even if I were to fall for that, there is no way I would believe that a cop would order her to do sexual favors.
We made a land where crap is king, and the good don't last too long.
I'm with you Iron Gland. I could see playing along with the "cop" in the beginning. However, when it came to him asking that clothes be removed - well, that would have been an obvious red flag. It is still hard for me to believe that there were people who exist out there that would have played along with this. I hate to say this, but part of me believes they enjoyed it!!
shareI agree, the people were really stupid. And it seems this has happened over 70 times in the USA.
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I made it to half an hour, and that much only because I like Dreama Walker. I don't care if it's based on a true story, I have no patience with this degree of idiocy. Cops don't call when they think a crime's been committed, they just show up. I can understand a not-too-bright teenager falling for it, but the middle-aged manager? She should've been suspicious immediately, even before the requests got weird.
Do not mock a love-smitten mouse.
This movie is unbelievable. Especially the whole thing with the chicks husband. Like, drunk or not, the guys f'd up..
shareThe movie seems presposterous but people are forgetting that a lot of people are naive idiots who will do what ever someone asks. The manager never asks for ID off the supposed officer or checks any detsils. These places have cameras so they could check what actually happened.
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