I thought the ending of them not telling us it's the Joker, but we all know it's him, was very smart. It was subtle and a nice touch. But if the Joker comes in the next movie or the 3rd one, do you really see Barry Keoghan being the guy? I'm not gonna pretend to be an expert on the guy. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen him in a movie before this. But do you think he's a good enough actor to carry that mantle?
shareWhy not? He's a serious actor. Questions like this were asked about Ledger too.
And it doesn't seem like they're leaning on a singular performance from a villain in future movies anyway.
He is? What is he known for?
I'm not sure how you can say that. Between him popping up at the end and the deleted scene, it's quite clear they were teasing The Joker.
Who said they weren't teasing the Joker? I'm saying they still have Penguin and The Riddler alive and well at the end of this one as well. Teasing him doesn't mean the sequel will lean solely on his performance, especially when they teased the idea that Penguin and The Riddler aren't through either.
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You think they showed The Joker at the end of the movie and aren't going to use him until what, the 3rd movie?
shareI'm saying they're likely going to use more than one villain in the same movie. Joker was teased as Riddler's new friend, the Penguin is still around. I doubt they lean only on Barry Keoghan, while making the other two suddenly disappear in a sequel.
shareWhose talking about "making others two disappear"? Because I wasn't.
And The Riddler was without a doubt the main antagonist of the movie. Not the only one, but clearly the big bad.
Who said he wasn't the main antagonist of this movie?? But don't you think this introduction to Penguin will develop into something more? Does he seem like a character that will be developed into more or less going forward? And even in this movie, he got a big set piece (the chase), and had significant dialogue after that chase -- and that's just to introduce him.
All I'm saying is that Barry Keoghan won't be all alone in the next movie. How many ways can I say it, or will you pretend I'm implying something else?
- Yes, he's a serious actor -- which you could've looked up on your own
- But no, he won't be the single, all alone, it all depends on his performance (like Jack Nicholson), villain in the next movie. They didn't kill off Riddler (he's teased as Joker's new friend now). They show Penguin looking out across the city -- to imply that it's his time now that Falcone is gone.
If they killed off Riddler, and Penguin went to jail (with no interaction with Joker) -- then they had a tease scene with Joker alone or with Batman, you could say it might all be about him next time, and therefore the actor carries a much bigger load being the ONLY, SINGULAR nemesis in a sequel. But that's not what was teased.
"All I'm saying is that Barry Keoghan won't be all alone in the next movie."
What. The. Fuck. Does. This. Have. To. Do. With. My. OP?
*facepalm*
Yeah, *facepalm* -- exactly.
"do you really see Barry Keoghan being the guy? "
"But do you think he's a good enough actor to carry that mantle? "
Why not?? When he has chops, and more importantly, he won't be tasked with carrying the entire villain load of the movie by himself?? You weren't left thinking that Riddler and Penguin were fading away and thus leaving ONLY Pattinson vs Keoghan in a sequel as opposed to Pattinson vs Keoghan-Farrell-Dano. Get it?? Do you see no difference between one guy carrying the villain to make the film work vs three? Do you think Reeves' vision might be different from what you imagine should be just a Joker movie, that requires a different actor, with bigger shoulders, b/c he won't be sharing screen time with any others?
It's like you turned a blind eye to what was actually teased from a villain standpoint going forward (Riddler allying with Joker, Penguin just getting warmed up), and replaced(??) the actor Reeves cast as Joker, and why? B/c YOU haven't heard of him??
Or the short version, as I said from the start.
"Why not? He's a serious actor. Questions like this were asked about Ledger too."
"And it doesn't seem like they're leaning on a singular performance from a villain in future movies anyway."
check this deleted scene out and tell me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJSXgZxaNo0
is that heath ledger?
shareI'm pretty indifferent to the scene.I definitely don't hate it, but it doesn't do much for me at all.
shareit is Barry Keoghan as the new Joker. If they proceed with that rumoured Arkham show, we might get to see him and more of Riddler. If they keep him out of the movies that could be interesting enough.
shareOh, I know the clip is of him.
I liked The Batman and Arkham would make a great source for a TV show, so I'm interested. That could be fucking bonkers.
He isn't a headliner actor (I don't know the name myself) but I'm assuming the intent is that he will continue the role into the next film.
It's possible they hired a low-cost actor for what is basically a cameo. They didn't want to hire on such-and-such an actor at huge dollars and commit to a three-film deal or something.
It's possible that they will replace him later (like poor Billy Dee Williams...) once they actually go to greenlight the sequel.
I think the most probable follow-through will be that they will keep him on. They have enough "names" associated with the film, the momentum of the first one is good, so they won't need an a-list Joker. Keeping him a relative unknown might allow them to generate mystique, too.
I can honestly say I've never seen him in anything, which is the part of my reasoning. Who is going to see a movie because of this guy?
shareThey don't need anybody to see the movie because of the actor. They'll count on the Joker character doing it as well as the momentum of the first film and the celebrity names already attached.
It's totally possible that they'll replace him. As you say, it happens all the time.
You don't hire someone and fire them, wtf?
shareLiterally happens all the time.
shareYes but you have to have a reason. Like misconduct.
shareNo, you do not. Like the poster said above it already happened to Billy Dee Williams in the Batman movies.
shareEvery time someone gets fired it's warranted?
shareI didn't know who he was until recently. Saw him in Eternals, and quite frankly, he was among the standouts in that cast imo. Was hoping he'd get more screentime.
And then out of left field, was watching The Killing of a Sacred Deer, and I thought he was incredible.
I think he has untapped range.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do replace him for someone one with more star power, but I was under the impression that WB did little to meddle with this project, so maybe we'll see him again.
He's a okay actor. Was decent in Eternals. But Joker has been done enough already. How about some under used villains?
shareNOOOOOOO, no more Joker, we already have enough versions of the Joker. They need to use some new villains that haven’t made it to the big screen yet such as Black Mask, Hugo Strange, etc.
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