This may sound hypocritical coming from me but frankly don't care about her race and am up to seeing this movie when it comes out.
shareThat's not hypocritical. I don't care what color she has either just as long as she's believable in her role or at least entertaining or at the very least hot.
shareIntersectionality and Black privilege at it's finest. And the movie suffers because of it. Just like they replaced hottie Ruby Rose with a Black woman in Batwoman.
shareLast time I checked Catwoman was portrayed by Eartha Kitt in the past, also she was not white in the year one comic book. Also Batwoman was trash even when Ruby Rose portrayed the character. So I'm disagreeing with you there.
shareThey clearly as a Black women in this time in order to make the movie woke. It's a totally artificial social mechanism and therefor Black privilege. Comic books are even worse than movies when it comes to wokeness. They even made Superman gay. Disgusting.
shareThen stay home and the rest of us will enjoy the film. It wouldn't matter what time it was in you would be upset if Catwoman was not white. Be honest with us now.
shareThe argument "don't watch the film" does nothing to address my my point about unfairness. I don't mind Black characters in movies, I am just opposed to an ever increasing patter of replacing Whites for ideological reasons and making movies worse off on top of it. Catwoman would be prettier if she was White as White women are prettier than Black women.
shareSo go ahead and prove that Kravitz was cast due to political reasons. You made the claim now back it up. Catwoman's race is not white that's just what she is depicted as a lot of the time. Her race isn't essential therefore it's fair to change it. As I pointed out with Eartha Kitt and the Year one comic book. Also that's your opinion that white women are prettier nothing more. I personally find ethnic women prettier myself.
shareOnly nerds care about/read comic books. In my mind the original Catwoman is Michelle Pfeirfer. I don't have to prove Kravitz was cast because of her race, because the left ADMITS they need to put more Black people for the sake of it. They are openly racist. If this was done for White people, it would be a national tragedy, but if it's done for minorities, it's OK. The argument "race isn't essential to the character" is a catch 22 trick. ANY minority's race is essential to his/her character, because they are a minority. ANY White character's race isn't essential to the character, because Whites aren't allowed to have an identity.
shareOnly nerds care about/read comic books. In my mind the original Catwoman is Michelle Pfeirfer.
I don't have to prove Kravitz was cast because of her race, because the left ADMITS they need to put more Black people for the sake of it.
And you literally just proved your ignorance. Without the comic book these characters would not exist.
Yeah actually you do have to prove your claim. Last time I checked, the one making the statement is the one who must prove it. As the far-right thinker Chris Hickens said: 'That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence'.
If Catwoman's race was essential to her character you would have a point but as it turns out it is not.
No comics are what made the character an icon to begin with. It's why essential aspects of the character stick around even to this day. Also okay let's play your game, since the big screen is all that matters then that means race is not essential. If this new Batman film grosses tons of money and gets acclaim you will be in the minority. If people like Kravitz what will your excuse be then?
Nope your point can be disproven quite easily. There are more white superheroes and roles for action heroes than any other race. Once blacks overtake them get back to me. As it stands right now there are more white action heroes. So point dismissed.
since the big screen is all that matters then that means race is not essential
Race is essential to certain characters. For instance if you get Denzel to play Lincoln and you are trying to make a historical biopic portraying Lincoln's life that is an issue casting Denzel. Same if you were to cast Brad Pitt to portray Malcolm X. In the car if Catwoman the race is not essential. You are just used to seeing her portrayed as white. Nothing is set in stone saying it is essential that she is white. All I have to do is point to Eartha Kitt or the Year One comic book. So every character is different. In some cases race is essential in Catwoman's case it is not.
See but here is where you are a hypocrite and have double standards. If a jon white character gets race swapped it's fine because whites are the majority. It's for practical reasons is why you will claim. So when Tiger Lily got portrayed by a white girl in the movie Pan nothing gets said. Tiger Lily is typically portrayed as native American. Rooney Mara is white. Now by your logic since she was portrayed as that on screen first it should stay that way. Thing is you won't say a word about that. So if it's not ok to change it one way it shouldn't be ok to change it the other way. I myself am fine so long as the race isn't essential to the character.
Also yep if the movie is successful it will disprove you. It will show you are in the minority. Also remember when you said white women are prettier than blacks? Let a person say that black women are prettier than whites and you would come unglued. That was a racist comment.
Catwoman is not white. She isn't any race. I proved that by Eartha Kitt and the year one comic.
You still refuse to get it don't you? It's not just historical characters. If a FICTIONAL character like The Blade or Shaft were to be portrayed by a White person there would be a huge controversy. But it isn't when White characters like Snow White are replaced by Hispanics and Blacks. It's a double standard. With ANY minority character, race is essential. With ANY Whites race ISN'T essential. That's because minorities are allowed to have an identity and be proud of their race, but Whites are not. It's a hypocritical standard leftists have imposed on White people.
Yes, practical reasons are totally different from ideological reasons. If there was some practical reason the next James Bond would have to be cast as Black in order for the movie to make more money, or if there were some contract issues they simply had to cast a Black guy, I would understand. I wouldn't mind at all as long as the reasons aren't ideological.
So if you use 60 years of media domination to condition Whites to hate themselves and to have no identity, it's OK to be anti White? That's how much of a logical fallacy you are making. Only a small minority of Whites see through the BS because majority of Whites have been brainwashed by the leftist media/academia to hate themselves and have no identity. Just because a minority of people hold a view doesn't mean they are wrong.
I remember scientific studies proving White women are prettier than Black women. Even Black men go for White women. Meanwhile how many Whites do you see with Black women? And calling something "racist" isn't an argument. Just because a position has been pushed out of the Overton window doesn't mean it's not true or it isn't a legit point. And no I wold in no way be offended by someone saying Black women are prettier than White women, just as I would not be offended by someone saying that the Earth is flat. Only statements that have truth in them can become offensive.
Funny you side stepped my point about Tiger Lily in Pan. No controversy was made. I personally would not care if they race swapped a fictional non essential race character to any race. You care though is what's funny. I wouldn't care if Blade was swapped. I only care when race is essential. Catwoman's race is not. You also dismissed comic books entirely which showcases your ignorance. Without the comic the character wouldn't exist. The character gets emulated from that.
And you never proved Kravitz casting was ideological. I gave you the chance to prove it and you didn't. The burden of proof is on you to prove it in this instance. That can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Nice strawman. Never said whites should hate themselves. I don't buy into the victimhood you are claiming though. Most heroes In cinema to this day are still mostly white. Cry me a river. It's convenient to say well it's for practical reasons, that's an excuse to ignore race flipping the other way.
There is no scientific study proving which race is prettier. It's all opinion based. I can prove exactly how many points Michael Jordan has in his NBA career. His points are an objective fact. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and everyone has different preferences. And yes you would be offended. You get offended at a non essential race character not being white. I'm honestly glad this happens just to spite people like you. I now will enjoy the film more knowing it irks you lol.
Funny you side stepped my point about Tiger Lily in Pan.
I wouldn't care if Blade was swapped
I only care when race is essential.
And you never proved Kravitz casting was ideological. I gave you the chance to prove it and you didn't.
Nice strawman. Never said whites should hate themselves. I don't buy into the victimhood you are claiming though. Most heroes In cinema to this day are still mostly white.
Nope you are being a hypocrite. Either race is essential or it's not? Your words chief. No exceptions.
Doesn't matter if there is controversy what matters is the end result. There was controversy over Keaton as Batman and ledger as joker. Fast forward and both are well received in their roles.
If the character's race is specifically hammered in and part of the identity of the character then it's essential. Otherwise it isn't.
Don't make statements you can't prove. Notice I didn't do that, I didn't because I don't like appearing ignorant. I am not taking your assumptions as gospel truth. Since you can't prove it your concession is noted. Think before speaking next time. Don't make claims you can't prove.
Whites have the most heroes to this day. My point stands. Cry me a river.
Since it's subjective I don't have to share your view or even the majority's. You openly admit to disagreeing with the majority smart guy. So I'm allowed the same freedom. Man this is too easy.
Again an empty response with no counter arguments.
I said if race is essential it should be so either for both Whites and Blacks or either for none. Now it's not that way. White characters get replaced by Blacks, but not the other way around. At least not for ideological reasons. A double standard against Whites. You have made NO counter arguments against this point.
If the character's race is specifically hammered in and part of the identity of the character then it's essential. Otherwise it isn't.
Nope you just didn't comprehend my response. If race is essential for both then race swapping should be seen as unacceptable both ways. You think it's acceptable to race swap to a white actor because it's in your book practical. Which shows you are the one with the double standard. If it's not ok to race swap white characters then it isn't ok to race swap black characters. Your words chief.
I already gave a response to this. It doesn't matter if there is controversy what matters is the end result. Keaton and Ledger had controversy surrounding their casting as Batman and Joker. Fast forward and people like them in the roles they portrayed. Miss this point? Comprehension isn't your thing huh?
Yeah actually you do. That which can be stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I already proved the shoe being on the other foot with Tiger Lily. No controversy bam point destroyed.
America is also changing. There are now other ethnicities rising in numbers where as whites don't dominate the country in numbers like before. You are losing ground and I am loving every minute of it. Give it time and whites won't be the majority.
Appealing to authority is a logical fallacy. Also I didn't say you disagreed in this case but you have disagreed with the majority before. By your own admission only a small minority of whites see through the anti white BS. So since you want to invalidate my view with the majority I could easily do the same to you. I couldn't care less what the majority thinks. I think black women are prettier. I don't have to make a reply when it's subjective opinion smart one. Jordans NBA stats are not subjective they are objective. You can't disagree with them or refute them. I can refute beauty claims because it's not a fact. It's opinion. Okay if you fail to counter again I will call this another round for me.
Wrong. I have said I don't mind race swapping from White to Black if it's for an understandable practical reasons. I am not hypocritical. You on the other hand don't mind race swapping from White to Black for ideological reasons which makes you biased against Whites. I would also oppose race swapping from Black to White for ideological reasons. See? I am being fair, YOU are the hypocritical one.
Why are you evading the point? There is no controversy when White characters are replaced by Blacks, but there would be controversy if Black characters would be replaced by Whites. Because Blacks are allowed to have an identity while Whites are not.
Nope, no non White character has been replaced by Whites for ideological reasons.
What kind of bigot you must be to celebrate an ethic group losing it's homeland? I do not want to oppress anyone. Non Whites should live in their countries while we should live in ours. That is a fair standard. Meanwhile you and the anti White leftists think non Whites get to have their own counties, but Whites don't. And don't get me started on how bringing minorities lowers the quality of living in so many ways and creates so many conflicts.
False analogy. Most Whites have attitudes they do because of deliberate biased political CONDITIONING, while people of all races preferring light skinned women is due to NATURAL reasons. All cultures saw light skinned women as prettier.
Wrong the claim that more people prefer White women is a FACT, NOT an opinion. It's just as much of a fact as Jordan's NBA stats.
Lol nope I gave you the chance to prove Kravitz was cast for an ideological reason. You couldn't do it. Which shows you are using that as a smoke screen. You would be upset if they swapped a typically depicted white character but not the other way around. I see through your smoke screen sorry bud.
You would be upset regardless of the reason. This is proven because you couldn't prove Kravitz casting to be ideological, yet you were still upset by it.
Tiger Lily in the Pan film. Point debunked that was easy.
Care to prove that statement also? Prove that no black character has been replaced for ideological reasons. You made another statement now prove it. I will wait.
Nope America is for everyone not just white people. I couldn't be happier that they are getting taken over. Good I'm glad.
Which means you disagree with the majority of whites in not seeing the anti white BS lol. Thanks for that concession.
Lol you misunderstood my statement. People preferring is an opinion. Yep it is a fact most prefer light women but it doesn't make it a fact they are prettier. I don't dispute that the majority feels that way but I don't have to agree. With Jordan's stats there is no agreeing or disagreeing it's a fact. It's a fact people think they are prettier key word think. It doesn't make it a fact they are prettier. With Jordan's stats no voting or polls need to take place because it is what it is. Nice try though. Me 16 you 0. You lost today kid but that doesn't mean you have to like it.
In this case I don't really care, black, white, asian, anything would work ...
Hope she does a good job as an actress.