How much frontloading is going on here? - Black Panther (2018) Discussion

[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 7 years ago

he got that right but the "bumps" may not be what many were expecting.

^^^^

turns out the "BUMPS" were ONLY what you werent expecting queen!

I remember when you tired this exact same tactic With Justice League...

you wrote some absurd post and then at the end said "wait until the results come in, Its gonna leave certain posters here NOT PLEASED"

and of course, YOU Queen were the only one left NOT PLEASED when Justice League came in with a Pathetic 94 M OW

and yet again you tried the same tactic and failed just as bad....

claiming "were gonna be disappointed when the results come in"...."BUMPS"...."NOT PLEASED"....its the same failed tactic....you Literally Fail Twice with the same tactic on different movies!

ONLY queen!

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[–] ranmast (626) 7 years ago

What are bump?

Anyway, ha,ha, ha, ha... A great laugh for thisthread.

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[–] ranmast (626) 7 years ago

This is supposed to be froantloaded? Ha, ha, ha, anither failed thread...

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[–] Bubbathegut (18049) 7 years ago

UPDATE:

Black Panther is front loaded says top scientists.

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 7 years ago

Aren't you a fan of Forbes' Scott Mendelson? Or is it just when he writes an article that apparently throws some shade at Disney or Marvel?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/04/02/black-panther-hits-more-box-office-milestones-as-it-tops-jurassic-world/#9cc976718184

Here's an article that speaks to the Front-Loading versus Legs of Black Panther and how it is currently the 13th leggiest of films (opening with $100 Million or more) to date. BP could climb that list but not by many slots

All this begs the question as to what sources do you use to provide your analysis of films that drives your predictions and assessments? The posts that you make are often so odd in their fawning over certain movies that don't deserve uncorroborated adulation when they should be based on actual captured data.

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 7 years ago

queen why havent you deleted this thread....

it makes you like look a complete idiot and worst off the final sentence which you specifically added to try and make it seem like OTHERS who think the movie is going to open high is going to be disappointed by a "BUMPY" weekend where BP opens way lower than expected...

ONLY in fact leaves you DISAPPOINTED because the movie in no way got close to your absurdly low Predictions...

everyone else, those OTHERS/Many you were referring to...got exactly what they were expecting....YOU SEEM to be the only one left Disappointed and didnt get what you were expecting...

at a certain point doesn't PRIDE and embarrassment kick in for you?

I mean I get the this is a normal thing for you, you are used to failing like this...but its been 2 months now, you can delete this embarrassing thread now quietly without anyone even noticing probably...its time to end the suffering queen

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[–] ranmast (626) 7 years ago

What an incredible failed and stupid thread. A frontloaded movie that made 700 million dollars (for the OP the movie probably opened at 350 M). Wow!

A movie that opened with 200 millions and managed to go to 700 is frontloaded for the OP and other morons in this thread? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha....

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 7 years ago

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 7 years ago

Ya Its gets better...

Get this...

On the very Friday that Black Panther(which means queen knew about and read the Dozen or so websites all reporting it was tracking for at least 170 Million) Queen Predicted a 120 Million dollar opening weekend for BP....again this wasnt a week or 2 before it open, Literally the day it opened that was Queens final prediction...

from there it only got worse, Queen absolutely refused to except "Projections" were Possible all the way through the weekend, when Mid Friday came and Projections had Black Panther Opening over 180 M, Queen refused to except "projections" were possible that soon, when late Friday Came, prodicting a possible 200 M OW, Queen again wouldnt believe it, same with Saturday, Then if I remember right He completely disappeared from Sunday until Thursday

then came back, with this thread and started predicting Black Panther wouldnt have good holds....this resulted in another All time failed thread, Queen did a stunning about face, and just minutes after Deadline reported VERY EARLY mid day reports that BP was projected to have a 92 Million second weekend, Queen decided to not only all of a sudden EXCEPT projections were possible, but Made a Thread reporting these projections, queen then went on to say Black Panther wasnt holding as good as Wonder Woman or Avengers 1, so its disappointing.

I think I was the first reply in the thread...and instantly told queen he JUMPED the gun and screwed up....I pointed out BP had came in Above projections at every point so far in its run, and its very possible Black Panther will come in around 100 to 110

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 7 years ago

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 7 years ago

Million in its 2nd weekend....which was A better hold than Avengers 1 and near Wonder Woman

Then Queen really struck out

Queen went from saying 400 Million Domestically "wasn't Guaranteed" for Black Panther as a total....then changed it to, Black Panther Wont out gross Wonder Woman domestically, even adding "wanna bet", to then changing it to, It would be LUCKY to gross as much as "AOU's 459 Million Domestically"...to then changing it to, It wont hit 500 Million Domestically, to Finally changing it to, It wont top The Avengers 1 Domestically....

all these happen it the span of 3 weeks...Which finally resulted in queen doing something I've never seen...He finally "gave up"...Black Panther finally reached a point where even he couldnt troll on it, afterall so far Queen had spent 3 weeks trolling and It brought him nothing but SHAME and Failure...

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 7 years ago

but Queen wasnt Done, Next he took an entirely new trolling tactic....since he couldnt troll on Black Panther given its simply too successful....Queen then decided to USE Black Panther and its success to troll on Avengers IW....Queen immediately started saying in many threads, how "embarrassing and disappointing its going to be if Avengers IW cant top Black Panther"

Queen since has failed horrifically with all other box office predictions as well...

He predicted The Last Jedi to Open to 149 Million dollars....MISSED by 71 Billion
He predicted Justice League to Open to 150 Million dollars....MISSED by 56 Billion
He predicted Black Panther to Open to 120 Million dollars....MISSED by 81 Billion
He predicted Ready Player One to Open to 85 Million dollars....MISSED by 32 Billion
He Predicted 300 Million Domestically and 850 M World Wide was "Dead" for Thor 3-Both easily passed those Marks
Went on to Predict Ready Player One would Make over 200 Million Domestically-Wrong
Went on to Predict Ready Player One would Make over 700 Million World Wide-Wrong
Went on to Predict Ready Player One would Make over 250 Million in China-Wrong
Predicted BOTH Pacific Rim 2 and Tomb Raider would be Huge HITS....once they had terrible opening weekends, He made Nearly Identical threads claiming "Because They are Both Crowd Pleaser, Long Term Prospects for their box office are Great and the would "LEG OUT" they both failed to gross 60 Million domestically and Will lose money.

His Next prediction to fail is....Hes been on a trolling rampage on SOLO boards trying to claim The Last Jedi KILLED Hype and Lost Audiences and The Star Wars franchise is now in deep trouble....

I'm been a regular on the IMDB boards and now here for 8 years....I've never seen one single poster fail like queen does when it comes to box office...

He has this weird Unnatural hatred for Disney that drives him make these AWFUL predictions...

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[–] ranmast (626) 7 years ago

Amen...

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 6 years ago

I had to resurrect this post because it had so many posters commenting. Now that BP has eclipsed $700 Million and is one of only 3 films to do so I reflected on your "Frontloaded" controversy.

Bill commented that BP had become Troll proof or in other words "QueenFanUSA-Denigration-Proof". It is just stunning how wrong you were as well and it is telling as to your antipathy for Disney/Marvel that you go out of your way to invent negative narratives for Disney performance.

If we look at these preview numbers we see that they are excellent but still behind many films that would go on to top the weekend out at 140...150...160 million and yet so many see this as hitting 170...180...even 200(!) million.

BP will wrap up soon but may very well be resurrected as an Oscar re-release because it WILL be nominated in a few categories. It may not be the 8 nominations that TDK received but BP will garner more than one.

As opinions go Queen yours are very suspect. You know what would be novel? Why not return to the scenes of your many crimes, faux pas', errant ramblings, mistakes, hyperboles, missteps, misspeaks and just come clean and say:

"I got it wrong"?????Bill has graciously done so. Why can't you?

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 6 years ago

I'll happily admit I got Blank Panther wrong.

In my defense, I actually get things "right" more often than wrong.

Also, I have no antipathy towards Disney. On the contrary, they are my favorite studio. I don't allow my affection for Disney blind me when it comes to box-office in relation to production budgets, though. Two of the biggest money-losers of the year are from Disney(Solo and Wrinkle in Time). Ant-Man 2's box -office looks like it's heading to just a small profit(at best) and now it looks like they just released another money-loser in the 75 million budgeted Christopher Robin.

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 6 years ago

Also, I have no antipathy towards Disney. On the contrary, they are my favorite studio. I don't allow my affection for Disney blind me when it comes to box-office in relation to production budgets, though.

To the best of my knowledge (and I admit to not following your posts and or frequenting films that you post to) I have never seen you ever praise and or post hyperbole PRO a Disney film. You've never quoted anything from Scott Mendelson that was supportive of Disney but do push out all of the negative SM posts about Disney.

I've never read a small body of your postings that have ever panned a Universal or Warner film. If you have an affection for Disney it is always shown as being a contrarian. Even in your reply to this post you immediately went to pointing out two (in your estimation) of the biggest losers of 2018 as Solo and AWIT as an indication of your love for Disney???!!!

Two of the biggest films so far for 2018 are BP and A:IW which will more than make up for losses because of Solo and AWIT. Meanwhile you're still throwing shade at Disney/Marvel with describing AM&TW as a modest profit maker, but wait here comes another money-loser in Christopher Robins.

Your affection, love and respect for Disney is openly cloaked in an air of disdain. You waste no second pointing out Disney's apparent misses and rush to the so-called crowd pleasers (your own data point not mine) of WB. How is it that Christopher Robin is NOT a crowd pleaser.

Some would say that would be the Kiss of Death from Queen even if you did it but you never do regardless of reviews and early screenings.

Back to BP:

How and why did you get Black Panther so wrong? I'd like to understand your mindset and research.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 6 years ago

So, norrinrad, what is Disney's record this year?

1)Two huge Marvel hits: BP and AIW

2)One Marvel tepid performer: AM2

3)Three unqualified bombs:

Solo(will lose 200 million)

A Wrinkle in Time(over 100 million budget and a pathetic 130 million global total)

Christopher Robin(75 million budget and is looking at a global around 150 million)

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[–] ranmast (626) 6 years ago

So, you, very treacherously, choose to ignore Incredibles 2.

THREE MOVIES THAT MADE OVER ONE BILLION DOLLARS IN LESS THAN 7 MONTHS. Who else can do that?

I am really sure they are not losing sleep for those "bombs".

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha... Way off as always Queenie...

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 6 years ago

Oh, I forgot Incredibles 2. It wasn't intentionall I assure you.

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[–] Bubbathegut (18049) 6 years ago

yeah whatever

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 6 years ago

For 2018 the top three Domestic box office movies are:

Black Panther
Avengers Infinity War
The Incredibles 2

Followed by
Solo
Ant-Man and the Wasp sitting at #6 and #7

I would say by way of budgeted dollars to gross profits Disney has done excellent in comparison to itself. Even with Solo and Christopher Robin being "Bombs" Disney's stock and value are still rising and the company still cranks out quality entertainment. I haven't looked but I believe all of those films are rated Fresh on RT.

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 6 years ago

So, norrinrad, what is Disney's record this year?

1)Two huge Marvel hits: BP and AIW

2)One Marvel tepid performer: AM2

3)Three unqualified bombs:

Solo(will lose 200 million)

A Wrinkle in Time(over 100 million budget and a pathetic 130 million global total)

Christopher Robin(75 million budget and is looking at a global around 150 million)

^^^^

thanks for asking queen...

Disneys track record this year is....

They are the first studio ever with 3 films topping 600 Million domestically in 1 year...

They are easily going to win The Studio Earning for the year for the 6th time in 7 years...

Disney is currently almost 1 Billion dollars ahead of WB in Earnings and Profit for 2018...

They Had 3 films that grossed Historically Great Profit Margins in AIW(netted Disney 700 M+ in Profit), Black Panther(netted Disney 550 Million + in Profit), and Incredibles 2(netted Disney 400 M+ in Profit)

Disney also had another Big Hit in AM2 which exceeded over AM1 in every way and Netted the Studio 120 M+ in Profit....thats quite A lot more than Your Prediction of "Breaking even or making a small profit at best"

Disney also had 3 Flops in SOLO, Wrinkle and Nutcracker...but because of the record breaking profits Disney made on 3 films, Those 3 flops only resulted in Less than 10% in total losses...

for example, Last year WB had a disastrous year where they had 5 huge flops....Those 5 flops were so big and They had such few hits....Those 5 flops ended up DEVOURING all money/Profits Made from WBs few hits in Wonder Woman and "It"....

Disney didnt suffer this problem because Their Profits were so astonishingly high on 3 films....

So the answer to question....^this is Disney track record....2018 has been yet another record breaking year where They once again dominated every studios by BILLIONS...

lol

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 6 years ago

They didn't just have "3 flops"...nothing ordinary or run of the mill about those turkeys. We're talking about film's that each lost over 100 million dollars! Lol

The worst one was Solo where Disney still hasn't made it's 4 billion back on the Lucasfilm acquisition and they are LOSING OVER A 100 MILLION DOLLARS on a Star Wars film. When you consider the steep decline from The Last Jedi and intense dissatisfaction within the fan base things seem quite dire for the franchise. With merchandise sales also in the toilet, they aren't going to get close to recouping what they paid for Lucasfilm anytime soon.

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[–] Bubbathegut (18049) 6 years ago

This whole movie was frontloaded.

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 6 years ago

[–] Bubbathegut (3937) 38 minutes ago
This whole movie was frontloaded.

Please provide your rationale for bumping this and restating your opinion of Frontloading. Please.

The movie has ended it's theatrical release with $700,059,566 in it's domestic coffers so how is a "whole" movie frontloaded? Is there such a thing as "Half" a movie being frontloaded or a "quarter" of the movie being frontloaded?

Can "half" of a theatrical run (175 Days) be Frontloaded?

Did you just need attention? Will you do a normal Drive-By post and runaway or does this post have some meaning besides being a Stink Bomb meant to tarnish the results of Marvel/Disney?

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[–] Bubbathegut (18049) 6 years ago

I guess it was a figure of speech, maybe? Anyways, if I remember correctly BP made $700 - $800 million in the first 2 weeks. To me that seems a bit "frontloaded".

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[–] Kurt (189) 6 years ago

It had a much better post-OW run than usual for a movie like this, with a 3.5 x multiplier. Out of all MCU movies, only Guardians of the Galaxy had a bigger multiplier, but obviously with a significantly smaller total!
MCU movie multipliers (approx)
GotG 3.53
BP 3.5
IM 3.25
AM 3.15
A 3.0
SM:H 2.86
AM2 2.81
T 2.75
DS 2.74
CA2 2.73
CA 2.72
GotG2 2.66
A3 2.63
T3 2.57
IM2 2.44
T2 2.4
A2 2.4
IM3 2.35
CA3 2.28

Some other recent non-MCU superhero movies, made after MCU movies started, for comparison
DCEU
Wonder Woman 4.0 (!)
Man of Steel 2.5
Justice League 2.44
BvS 2.0
SS 2.43

X-men:
First Class 2.66
Days of Future Past 2.57
Apocalypse 2.36
The Wolverine 2.5
X-Men Origins: Wolverine 2.12

Sony's Amazing Spider-Man
TASM 4.22 (highest of all)
TASM2 2.22

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 6 years ago

This whole movie was frontloaded.

With nothing but money!

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[–] Bubbathegut (18049) 6 years ago

Fer sure! Just like Transformers 4.

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 6 years ago

Fer sure! Just like Transformers 4.

^^

its over....

you Spectacularly LOST...

you are more than within your right to continue SPITE TROLLING, but just know, theres is not 1 box office analyst or person that understands box office that would say "BB was frontloaded"

you can continue to say it all You want(I was actually going to say "you can continue to BELIEVE it all you want") but I stopped myself because Its clear you dont really believe it, your only saying it out of SPITE.

but you can continue saying it as much as you want, But just Know, YOU are WRONG...Period...

I very rarely ever just flat out say you are wrong, because forums are for opinions, and everyone is entitled to thier own opinion..

but unfortunately for you "Frontloaded" actually as a definition...when Box office analysts use the term Frontloaded, It is Universally used to describe a film that start off Strong and Falls off, or a film that has Way below average drops and Holds....

BB not only doesnt fit either of the definitions, BB instead fits the definition of "Box Office Legs"

in this case, you are fighting an unwinnable fight because the topic you are discussing/SPITE trolling on is NOT OPINION based.

Frontloaded can be defined and as A definition....when a film IN NO WAY MEETS that definition, you are then in place where your opinion doesnt matter, at that point it become, either you are right or wrong.

You are Unequivocally Wrong....Your SPITE TROLLING claiming BB was frontloaded can be described as nothing else but WRONG.

If you can find 1 box office analyst that agrees BB was frontloaded, I'll give you the WIN!

Literally 1, find 1 credible box office analyst's that actually said after BB's box office run was complete that it was "Frontloaded" and I'll cleanly just give you the WIN...

PS....what does Transformers 4 have to do with anything? where were you going with that comment.

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