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One of the worst 'films' I've ever seen


I honestly don't how, or why, this "film" made it beyond a random thought in some idiot's drug addled brain. The entire concept is flawed. I read in another post that the director did a great deal of research because he wanted the film to be "believable?" Are you kidding? This is, without a doubt, one of the worst movies I have ever seen... and that's including what plays behind the hilarious characters of MST3K. The only reason to sit through this train wreck is if you are really stoned and want something to dissect and laugh at.

At one point about halfway into the film, I commented to my wife, "Maybe De Niro is just a regular, old, blind guy and all of this is in his head. A sort of fantasy he made up to entertain himself as he trudges through the daily routine." It was supposed to be a joke, but a testament to the awful reality of the script was my wife's response: "That would actually be a better idea for a movie!"

Honestly, we only finished watching for two reasons: 1) We were having a great time making fun of it. 2) We wanted to see what laughable "twist" was coming at the end. The twist did not disappoint. **SPOILERS** De Niro wasn't really blind. OOOHHHHHHH!!! Couldn't see that one coming ten thousand miles away. The second twist? I'll let you find out, but it's just silly and certainly not worth sitting through the film, if that's the only reason you're still watching after the first 20 minutes.

Now this section will contain many SPOILERS, as I want to respond to some of the more ridiculous plot points:

1. Is this supposed to be some alternate reality, as other reviewers have stated, where any of the subject matter of this script actually matters... to anyone? If so, they did not do a good job of establishing this fact. The movie makes it seem as though psychic frauds are PLAGUING the world and must be fought with the fervor of the war on terror, or the drug war. Which, incidentally I do not agree with, but at least those would make sense for a movie plot.

2. De Niro is supposed to be some master villain, hellbent on destroying people's lives, but they never really cover any terrible act he's committing. Ohhhh... he's a fraud who fleeces people for money... AND?! Who gives a *beep* Am I supposed to care that much about idiots giving their money to a conman? He's no worse than a televangelist. Did they show him raping women and children? Was he shown stealing money from thousands of sick and poor people? No. So who cares what some hack psychic does with his time?

3. The scene where they bust the fraudulent faith healer is hilarious. First, Sigourney and Cillian are using some high-tech spy gear to bust the guy, and for some reason the police are with them. OK. When the bust occurs, the director makes a half-assed attempt to make it look like the whole production is being run by biker meth dealing types? I assume that's what he was going for. The bust concludes with the cops hauling the faith healer off to prison... for... I'm not sure. In this world, I guess being a faith healer is some major crime that gets you locked away for life? I doubt they even broke any laws, scummy as the characters might be.

4. Sigourney Weaver's death. WTF? Did those people on the talk show kill her? Cillian just finds her dead after the talk show got out of hand. And why are they portraying the talk show appearance as though it would matter at all? In most believable worlds, Sigourney's appearance would be little more than an episode of some daytime talk show, or a blurb in a TLC programs on debunking paranormal claims. Yet, Cillian is watching this event unfold on his television screen as though he's watching a State of the Union address, or some debate that has ANY consequences to important matters. Again... who cares? Cillian's character, I guess. The audience sure wasn't lead to a place of caring by this point in the script.

5. Near the end of the film, the "scientist" who ran the experiment on De Niro is about to publish his findings that the demonstrated psychic phenomena was real. This is supposed to be a HUGE deal for some reason, that ONE scientist at ONE university published a study. This also goes against the point other reviewers posted that this script takes place in a universe where everyone is interested in the paranormal and the public widely believes in paranormal abilities. If that is the case, then why would this study be a big deal? I think this point shows that the writer/director wanted this script to take place in the real world, which is absolute insanity. Anyway... back to the topic. This scene is ridiculous! Scientist publish controversial findings all the time. The movie acts as though the second this study is signed and published, the world as we know it will come to an end. Up will become down. Black will become white. Yadda yadda. Who... gives... a... *beep* Studies like this one HAVE been published in the real world and no one cared. So... why would anyone care about a fictionalization of a common occurrence? It's all just so terrible.

6. Sigourney make a comment at one point about how the department trying to prove psychic phenomena exists has double the funding of her "debunking" department and how they are "over subsidized." So, one weird and inconsequential department at one random university has more funding than the other weird and inconsequential department. Who cares? The writer acts as though there is one university on the planet and one scientist's findings have some massive effect on the human population. And oh yea, the government is funding entire departments to prove psychic's are real. The funny thing is, the US government actually does spend a good deal of money studying these topics and experimenting with remote viewing, mind control, etc. AND IT STILL DOESN'T MATTER!

7. De Niro not actually being blind is a poor attempt at a twist. First, it's pretty hacky and easy to see coming. But, more importantly, De Niro being blind in the first place had no real effect on the story, so who gives a *beep* if he was faking? Nice "twist" that didn't matter at all.

The entire script just seems like a debunker's wet dream. A world where people care about this topic with a passion and the entire world is out to get the debunker for being right in the face of wrong. Seriously... no one cares and this film sure as hell doesn't do anything to change that fact. I don't know why any of the actor's took this job. Come on, De Niro. I know you take a lot of *beep* roles now, but really? This piece of crap? Did you even know what movie you were in? Sigourney does an OK job acting, but she should really stick to comedic roles nowadays (Baby Mama, Paul, Cedar Rapids, etc), unless a very good script comes her way. She sure as hell couldn't carry this film, but I doubt anyone could. And Cillian. What are you doing to your career? I've liked you in many roles, but why on Earth did you take this job?

TL;DR:
One of the worst movies I've ever seen. Up there with Bongwater and equally fun to dissect and make fun of while high. So many plot holes, you might trip over one, set in a silly world that isn't very believable, stupid and inconsequential twists that can be seen coming a mile away... but those are not the worst aspects of this film. The worst thing about the film is that the basic idea is just flawed. A lot of movies fail to execute a good idea. That is not the case with Red Lights. This movie does the best job it possibly can executing a terrible idea for a script... and that is just sad. As with softcore "skinamax" flicks I'll see randomly on the guide at 2AM, this movie left me feeling: Who the hell pays for this *beep* to get made and why did anyone think it was a good idea in the first place?!?

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I'll give this a serious reply. I see where you're coming from, but movies, like all art, is subjective and there's really no correct way of viewing it but maybe this will help you see why some people really like this movie.

1- This statement is somewhat true. A couple of things though. It was the main character's job to investigate fraud in people who make money off of their psychic abilities. So, of course it's gonna be a big part of their life and something that matters to them. If there was a celebrity out there like 'Silver', it would also matter to the public a lot more.

2- That's pretty much the same answer. It's their job. Also, you learn that Weaver's character started taking things personal after Silver had brought the subject of her son up while debating on a tv show.

3- This is one of the few parts in the movie I didn't find believable. Maybe if you're making money off of your 'abilities' and it's proven you don't have any...that would be considered 'fraud' ..but like you mentioned that's unlikely.

4- I think you're really mentally projecting here. I understand YOU don't care about the subject of the paranormal but believe that if there was someone out there that could do the kind of things De Niro's character could do and make himself into an entertaining showman/celebrity, it would be on talk shows everywhere. And i thought it was obvious about Weaver's death. She was killed by Silver. Silver also killed the other skeptic that was investigating him. Did anyone NOT get that? Why did you make the comment about the tv show killing her?

5- You don't know what you're talking about. There's been a lot of studies of the paranormal. All false. Nothing conclusive except one study that shows a very slightly higher than chance coincidence of the paranormal. It involves people who sleep near one another tend to have similar dream content.
Nothing to write home about, really.

6- All things that matter are subjective. Nothing is the only thing that doesn't matter. :)

7- I agree here, somewhat. It doesn't really "matter" in the storyline. I didn't really see it as a big twist though either. I think it more or less shows what a hack/con-man Silver was. The way he pretends to know things that couldn't be known otherwise.


"A world where people care about this topic with a passion and the entire world is out to get the debunker for being right in the face of wrong."

Again, not the whole world, just the main characters of the movie, and to sum up, it's not that people aren't interested in the topic. They really are. Why do you think Paranormal Activity does so well at the box office? Or why there's all these fake haunted house reality tv show types out there? It's something a lot of people hope for. That there's something out there that's completely unexplainable by science. Something we can't just break down into a boring process and shrug apathetically about afterwards. This movie even draws on that topic a bit.
We want to believe.

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what a crap film totally senseless and confusing and boring

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Sir, I respect your point of view, but all you is talk about how this movie fails to adapt reality in it. Most of the movies fail to do that. I assume you can hardly watch any 90's action movie.

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OOOOKkkay, after reading your rant

you are the worst "reviewer"
all questions. all opinions. you leave more unanswered critiques than the few "plot holes" this movie has.

You are as annoying as the idiots who didn't like Prometheus, because none of them ever learned about any single shred of Philosophy.
Let me actually do your volunteer work AND answer your questions in the numbered order:

1. No it is not. nor the movie or script ever gives that inclination. I still do not know why you even asked this question because it is blatantly clear it is grounded in reality. If anything, the technical and creative setting are to mirror the perspective of the real narrator of the story: cillian murphy. The film never makes it seem like the world are plagued by frauds. If anything, more accurately depicted, is yes, that mofo' cillian murphy is highly obsessive and so he seeks out other obsessive people like him. Anyone who truly loves their career and craft do the same. That's directing; the ability to show, not with just images, the obsession a character possess.

2. De niro is not a villain. He was never written to fit the archetype you are blaming the movie for him failing to live up to. I do not know what prior information you were given about this movie, or what bad marketing the studio probably did for this film, but it was not a superhero movie; or at least not a traditional one. Robert was hated by the two main characters for their own individual reasons. (c'mon? if you thought someone was *beep* with your head and "killed" one of your closest friends, all the while parading around, wouldn't you want a taste of revenge? oh wait, just maybe that was how the script was written....)

3.So I am guessing you never took law? ha, no one has to to, to know it is illegal to make money off of fraudulent claims... and that is assuming the affected party press charges. if that equipment is hi-tech, then I wonder how many college campuses you have walked on and how many college laboratories you have been in.( maybe they purchased this equipment with their own money due to low funding.. )

4.The only observation I somewhat agree with; Her death was never explained BUT THAT WAS THE POINT!! some deaths are natural causes,there are plenty of medical names for conditions and deaths that cannot be explained with modern science. Moreover, since it was filmed cillian's perspective, all we saw was he his own allusions to the cause. regardless, it was pretty clear the director wanted the "wtf" reaction. The film is not what I call "theater" style, in which the audience knows more than the character. no, the director wanted you to not know more and only what was seen. why? that's up to you to discuss.. why does everything need to be explained? the irony of the film.....


5.Yet again, yes you are somewhat "correct" with FEELING this way. I am pretty sure there are other things that go on in this world that are important, let say, to a particular town or country, and not to the world. Your poor articulation is the reflection of the better analysis the film does on the topic of media and sensationalism.This can simply be part of news that is as alienable as celebrity gossip or sports. This film thrusts you into THEIR world and a world where people actually take this seriously. I will not even begin to point out the parallels in "real life"...


6.Yawwwwn.your are such a whiner. Did you know the government spends money on the military? you pointing out obvious facts is not a support of a critique on a film. The financial argument,although a weak support, was for Weaver's obsession and dislike for the competing departments, his societal critique on college and the mishandling of funding within universities, and the critique on the literary and scientific profession dependence on such universities being the "end all, say all" on topics that can change the course of a society.

7. De niro wasn't the twist. there was only one twist.. and that was the end. any beginner who studies film would have deduced that without any effort.

and then you reference *expletive* CEDAR RAPIDS AS A GENRE SIGORUNEY WEAVER SHOULD STICK TOO? I ONLY WENT ON THIS RANT TO PROVE YOUR A FRAUD AND HOPEFULLY MANY WILL READ THIS REBUTTAL AND DISCUSS THE MOVIE FOR THEMSELVES, MINUS THE ENTERTAINING AND PERSUASIVE INACCURACIES PRESENTED IN YOUR REVIEW. frauuudd!!!!

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One of the best actors, Sigourney Weaver. Other than Alien, check out Death and the Maiden. Before you talk yourself in to a silly corner.

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I agree that the movie completely sucks but the acting wasn't bad. Sometimes you can over look a weak script if the actors are good but there isn't an actor alive or dead that could make this into a good movie. I honestly think thats 2 hours of my life completely wasted.

live and let live

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This film's story is essentially a restructured version of 1992's Leap of Faith, with parapsychology being substituted for religion. There are even a few suspense-ified sequences cribbed directly from the aforementioned film, but details aside, both stories offer the same characters and premise: Deniro/Martin as the fraud, Richardson/Winger as the partner in crime, Weaver/Neeson as the skeptic, and Murphy/Haas as the 'genuine article' who's very existence changes everything for everyone else.

The primary difference in the Red Lights script is that the genuine article doubles as a plot point "twist" in the climax. The pros and cons of this technique can of course be debated to no end, but unfortunately for this film, without the advantage of experiencing the protagonist's journey from his perspective, the twist sacrifices the impact of a clever reveal (Witness for the Prosecution, Psycho, Oldboy, The Usual Suspects) or a cathartic epiphany (Carnival of Souls, Fight Club, The Matrix, Memento), or even a simple shock to the system (Diabolique, Carrie, Haute Tension, Volver). In as much, the story doesn't earn the audience's faith, and the finale is reduced to a contrived deus ex machina that ultimately robs the audience of empathy while simultaneously pointing a spotlight at any plotholes.

Storytelling problems intrinsic to keeping secrets from the audience are typically obfuscated by some amalgam of innovative execution, technical eye candy, good performances, and/or a strong script. The principle actors in this film turned in good performances given the material, and the pointless romance angle was largely avoided, but that's about as much as can be said for the effort.

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The movie does make this all seem awfully heavy. Part of the time, it works as a way of showing how important this is to the characters. Cillian is having a meltdown watching... not a war, trial, election or even the Super Bowl, but a talk-show spat about spoon-bending. But to this character, this IS the Super Bowl. This matters more than anything to him. That's fine. Later, we learn the real reason why this is so. The characters have deep personal issues related to the paranormal. It works.

But then they can't stop there. They make it clear that everyone in this world -- media, police, everyone -- is hanging on every ex cathedra ruling uttered by some self-appointed professional skeptic. A debunker who matters so much that when she has a bad day on a talk show and walks off, it makes the front page of the paper? Pure fantasy. I don't read my horoscope, but that doesn't mean I check with James Randi before deciding what to believe either.

If only they could have stopped with the characters, not the whole world!

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When I got this movie at redbox I was like, hell yeah, all star cast! What could go wrong? This is gonna be great!

Untold hours later it seems, I ejected the disc from the DVD player and said to myself, "how many other, better ways could I have spent that $1.30?"

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