there was little to no storyline. obviously the characters are all likable from the first, so this film was just a chance to see them. the film consists of a bunch of random scenes stuck together. i think if you actually only had the scenes that pushed the storyline forward in anyway the film would only last 15 minutes. i know its a kids film but at least all other animated films from dreamworks or pixar have a solid storyline that adults can enjoy. im shocked at how poor this film was. it wasnt about gru the hero or villan, it was about gru the single dad. 2 out of 5
Are you trying to ask me in your pigeon English have I seen a lot of animated movies..... Yes I have seen many. I have just seen DM2 And DM2 is up there on the list as being one of the best. Expand your pallet!
I'm sorry to do this, you seem like a respectable dude, but... you are complaining about the OP saying this was one of the worst animated movies ever and yet you are saying it is one of the best? I think there are about 30 animated movies that easily top Despicable Me 2...
These aren't in any particular order 1. Fantasia 2. Cinderella 3. Hercules 4. The Lion King 5. Aladdin 6. Watership Down 7. The Secret of NIMH 8. Snow White and the Seven Dwarves 9. The Nightmare Before Christmas 10. Toy Story 11. Toy Story 2 12. Toy Story 3 13. ParaNorman 14. Antz 15. Coraline 16. Wallace and Gromit 17. The Land Before Time 18. Shrek 19. Shrek 2 20. Despicable Me 21. Rango 22. Up 23. Wall-E 24. How To Train Your Dragon 25. Kung Fu Panda 26. Kung Fu Panda 2 27. Mary and Max 28. Titan A.E. 29. The Incredibles 30. Finding Nemo
Sorry, but Despicable Me 2 hardly surpasses any of those movies. Though, this is all just about opinions, but even you have to agree that about 2/3 of this list is better than Despicable Me 2.
God man, Rango! Bloody Rango.... How are you even saying this to me.... Some of the others i can understand but Rango? I hated that johnny depp ego vehicle..... And i know so many people that hated it aswell.... and all of those that hated it were tricked by those who said they saw it and loved it.
I dont know, maybe its the world that we live in, maybe its that people have so much choice in their lives that these complete and total poplar opposites arise and breeds weird likes and dislikes......
I really dont know though how you didnt walk away from that movie with a deep hatred for depp, i taught my hate level for him was at his highest and then i saw Rango...... If i could put a voodoo curse on him, i would!
Dude Rango was praised by critics. Also it won the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature soooooo you may have hated it but it did receive a lot of praise.
Critics.... cumon, if they done their job properly we wouldnt have the huge list of innane ,pontless and pretentious Johnny depp/Tim burton ego vehicles that we all have had to endure over the years.
And as for winning an academy award.... I dont think they can be seen as a benchmark, sure how many did the Departed win? And that was awful! ...... A terrible copy of a Hong kong film.
DM2 was no WALL-E (it would be extremely hard to top that) , but as an overall package, including good tunes by Pharell & Cee Lo Green its great.... Im even very appreciative of the fact it only cost 76million.... I know its not my money making the thing, but when we have 200million dollar turkeys been continually thrown at us by Hollwood douchebag executives, it makes a refreshing change and it shows that you can do more with story over marketing and continual in your face publicity.
I agree that Dm2 is absolutely no where near the best animated movie, not by a long shot, and most of the movies you listed are way better. But I have to agree with firefly that rango is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
I can understand disliking certain aspects of Rango, but it did win the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature so I don't understand why there is so much hate for the film when apparently a lot of people liked it enough to consider it an outstanding movie.
I can see some things in the movie that would put off some viewers, however you have to look a little deeper into the film to appreciate it. Also the animation and art direction was fantastic. Another thing I loved about it is the fact that it didn't hold back on violence.
Idk man all I'm saying is that I hated it, despite what critics think. I don't think I hate any movie with as much passion as I hate Rango. I saw it with my entire family and that was the first movie we've ever been to that we were discussing walking out on (I dont actually remember why we didnt). I guess I just dont see what other people see in it. I thought it was a truly awful piece of storytelling that had very little to redeem it aside from the visual/technical artistry (not including the horrific character designs).
I dont mean to be rude or anything, I mean it doesnt bother me that other people really seem to like it. I don't understand it but I also dont care enough to get in to a debate about it.
Okay. I can understand where hate for the film could come from (because I have heard a lot of complaints about this movie) but I feel like the movie was made for a very specific audience and apparently that audience was movie critics and people who love to analyze movies.
Why am I supposed to be a weirdo? Cause I like an animated movie better suited for adults and references Chinatown and several classic Westerns instead of a kiddie animation caper?
I totally get it. Seems like your hatred for Depp has scrambled your brain.
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....my... hatred... for depp........???? are... you sure you're replying to the right person?
why are you trying so hard to start something, i just said I dont care about rango enough to get in to an argument over it, yet you're so desperately looking for a fight. Look somewhere else, weirdo.
"Why am I supposed to be a weirdo? Cause I like an animated movie better suited for adults and references Chinatown and several classic Westerns instead of a kiddie animation caper?
I totally get it. Seems like your hatred for Depp has scrambled your brain. "
Yes, because if someone does not hold all the same opinions as you do, they must have a reason why this flaw exists. You're the one being the jerk, insulting this guy for what he likes and doesn't like.
"Who cares if you hated Rango, it was considered very good movie by most critics. And rightly so."
Who cares that you didn't hate "Rango?" Stop being a jerk. He didn't bring it up, he was responding and it might be difficult for you to realize, but people come here to talk about things they like and dislike.
We're supposed to like a movie just because it won an Oscar for lack of competition? It was competing with the amazing Dreamworks borefest that are Kung Fu Panda 2, Puss in Boots and two foreign movies that probably none of the voters saw. Rango , just like Lone Ranger was a Depp vehicle "comedy" that took itself too seriously. It was too long, trite, predictable and made no sense even within its own universe.
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Here is the thing, Rango didn't simply "win" awards because it had some mediocre competition, it won awards because it was good. Roger Ebert gave the movie 4/4 stars and claimed that it was a rare and amazing movie.
Now you don't have to trust what critics say, but when the movie has an extremely high approval rating from critics then you know that there are people out there who like it, and specifically the people who like it have seen thousands of other movies and still rank it as highly as they do.
You don't have to like it, but obviously there is more to it than " it won an Oscar for lack of competition"
"Here is the thing, Rango didn't simply "win" awards because it had some mediocre competition, it won awards because it was good. Roger Ebert gave the movie 4/4 stars and claimed that it was a rare and amazing movie. "
In what way does this argument in any way validate that "Rango" was a good movie? I loved Roger Ebert, but his opinion is not the absolute judge of what makes a movie a good or a bad movie.
"You don't have to like it, but obviously there is more to it than " it won an Oscar for lack of competition""
This is probably the best point you've made in your responses. It definitely won because it was such an excellent movie and to assume it was due to lack of competition makes no sense. There were plenty of other long form animated movies up against it and it is silly to think they were all so bad that "Rango" was the default winner. Good point.
"I can understand disliking certain aspects of Rango, but it did win the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature so I don't understand why there is so much hate for the film when apparently a lot of people liked it enough to consider it an outstanding movie. "
This is flawed reasoning. You cannot assume that people should consider a movie an outstanding movie because it won an Academy Award. You seem to have a serious issue understanding that opinions vary greatly. The only thing you need to realize is that your tastes and the tastes of the Academy are not the end all and be all of opinions on movies. While I agree with you about "Rango" being such an excellent movie and deserving the Academy Award that year, no one is required to like or respect a movie based off the perceptions of others.
" no one is required to like or respect a movie based off the perceptions of others "
No one is required to respect other people's opinions? Interesting... you kind of shot yourself in the foot there. Isn't the whole concept of opinions is to respect them?
Obviously you didn't even know what my argument was OR even what I said. I said that I understand disliking it (so I just respected the opposing side's opinion) BUT I said that while you may still dislike it, you have to at least respect the fact that there is a large amount of people who like the movie. I said I was fine with them disliking it, just as long as they consider the fact that it may not be a universally bad movie like the poster implied. Next time try to read into a post a little bit more before you comment on it.
No one is required to respect other people's opinions? Interesting... you kind of shot yourself in the foot there. Isn't the whole concept of opinions is to respect them?
Reading comprehension could do you some good. The poster you replied to never said anything about respecting opinions, he said and I quote (which is what you also quoted, funny enough) "no one is required to like or respect a movie based off the perceptions of others."
Only one who shot himself in the foot this time is you. lol.
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What are you babbling about? Perception has nothing to with it. Nor do opinions. He said he doesn't need to respect a movie based on anothers opinion. Not that opinions shouldn't be respected, which is what you tried to twist it into. Which is why I corrected you. You can respect ones positive opinion of a movie and still hate that particular movie at the same time.
Perception is view, and opinion derives from a person's point of view. However I do get your point and see how I could've interpreted it wrong. My bad.
So happy you put Watership Down up on there. So many people don't know about it, and it is a fantastic piece of animated gold. Though I will probably never watch it again (it scared the living crap out of me and still does when I watch clips).
And also, Titan A.E.? Really? Don't get me wrong, it's a good movie, it just isn't anything spectacular.
Titan A.E. was definitely better than Despicable Me 2. For its time the animation was at least groundbreaking, also (while cliche) it had some really unique enemies, and some interesting character designs. The concept of humans being the extinct ones was cool in my opinion and is a concept that you rarely see in sci-fi... or in any kids' films.
Sorry in advance, this isn't related to the topic but, it's cool that you have Watership Down, The Secret of Nimh, and Titan A. E. on your list. Those are some of my favorite movies and hardly anyone I know has seen them.
I know! Titan A.E. seems to be more of a cult classic, because a lot of people seem to really hate it. Watership Down seems to be a secret, and The Secret of Nimh seems to be mostly forgotten. All great movies.
hey :) i loved your list! and i was very happy to see titan a.e. and the secret of nimh on them. i watched the secret of nimh when i was 6 or something and i saw titan a.e. when it was in the cinema and loved it right away!
do you by any chance know "the last unicorn"? just wondering since you didn't have it on your list and it's another one of my favourites. i think outside germany it's not very well known and i don't like the english version as much as the german one (the singing by the woman in the film in english is especially bad... i don't know why it's not the same recording as the on the soundtrack)... anyway, if you've never seen it, you might want to have a look :)
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I have heard of that movie, but I never got around to it. I think it was the title that always kind of turned me off as a kid, but when you get older you start to respect animation more so I think I will have to watch it :P
Ever watch Mary and Max? Depressing yet great stop-motion animation.
"I'm sorry to do this, you seem like a respectable dude, but... you are complaining about the OP saying this was one of the worst animated movies ever and yet you are saying it is one of the best? I think there are about 30 animated movies that easily top Despicable Me 2."
Sorry but this is a straw man argument. Just because sundaefries's response to the OP does not seem to agree with the OP that "Despicable Me 2" is not the worst animated movie of all time, this does not in any way imply that sundaefries assumes that "Despicable Me 2" is the best animated film of all time. Nowhere in the response is such a thing even implied.
Furthermore, sundaefries did not say that "Despicable Me 2" surpasses any of the films you listed as a good or better movie. Furthermore, even if he did, your "apologies" are condescending because you are assuming that your opinions are more valid than sundaefries's opinions, however since they are opinions such a thing is impossible. So you technically did not "do" anything to sundaefries, and your entire post argues against a point that sundaefries did not make.
He said it was one of the greatest animated movies, so what I did was put the movie into perspective. The point of a debate/argument is to persuade the opposing viewpoint. He said the OP was wrong for hating it, I said he was wrong for thinking this movie was one of the "best" animated movies of all time. How did I support my view? I said "here are 30 movies that are considered to be animated masterpieces (save for a few), so do you still believe in your own statement?"
That is how a debate works. And yes, s/he did say it was one of the greatest animated movies.
First of all, you need to take Land Before Time off of this list because that is an example of forcing a message and being cloying all at the same time.
Secondly, Beauty and the Beast needs to be on this list because it was nominated for Best Movie before there was an animated film category.
Third, Shrek 2 and Kung-Fu Panda 2 should not be on this list as they were poor imitations of the first movies.
Lastly, You have nothing by Hayao Miyazaki who is the undisputed master of animated features. "Sprited Away" is his best movie and needs to be on any list that includes the best of animation.
I said here are 30 movies that are better than Despicable Me 2. That doesn't mean this is EVERY animated movie that is better than it haha yeah if I were to list every animated movie that is better than Despicable Me 2 I would've had every Hayao Miyazaki movie on there :P
I thought Kung Fu Panda 2 was good, but in a different way. Shrek 2 was enjoyable, and even if you don't like it, it is at least better than Despicable Me 2.
Kung Fu Panda 2 and Shrek 2 may be good movies but they are on par with Despicable Me 2 in that they are desperately trying to find new aspects of our hero to explore. All of these movies are enjoyable but not better than the other.
The only sequel I have ever seen that is equal or better than the first movie in the series is Toy Story 2. It breaks the rules about sequels in a spectacular manner as woody finds out he is a toy icon.
Your list seems to start with movies that are the best in the genre. That is why I feel the loss of Miyazaki. The Jungle Book and the Iron Giant need to be there as well.
You do realize Coraline is one of the highest rated animated movies of all time? Why would it be random to have Coraline on my list?
Also Antz was much better than A Bug's Life in my opinion.
The problem I have with Despicable Me 2 is mainly the fact that the movie is just a comedy with no substance or actual plot. If the movie had an interesting plot then I would think of it more highly, but when a movie like Titan A.E., Coraline, and Antz ALL are plot focused movies then I think they are better. Antz had a strong plot compared to A Bug's Life (even though we weren't debating about that), Coraline was plot focused and was brilliantly animated, and Titan A.E. did have problems but AT LEAST IT HAD A PLOT!
Despicable Me 2 doesn't even try, so I don't think it should be considered better than those.
Not sure what you mean by "highest rated animated movies" since 7.7 is pretty far from the highest ones (which are at 8.2, 8.3 or more (see http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0245429/reference ^^). Antz was dumb and so was a bug's life, i'll grant you that. A movie might have a good plot but poor execution, dialogues and animation. It does little if you have no humour, character alchemy and fitting universe. Anyway, i stand by my word, despicable me 2 was, for me, better than most of your picks. And well, you're talking ratings, it's rated higher too. In fact, it's currently rated higher than coraline... ;)
That is a pretty big difference. Not many animated films get 80s.
Either way, if you liked it, good for you. However I prefer plot over humor. A good plot gives you something to think over for days after watching the movie, but a good joke gives you a laugh for a couple of minutes and then it stops being funny... except for the Marx Brothers haha.
Wow...some people actually look at metacritic ? It's heavily biased, uses weird algorithm for calculating scores (like giving some critics a much heavier influence) and adds some unknown bloggers in the mix. Stick to imdb, you'll get accurate ratings. And those don't lie...coraline has less than despicable me 2.
Anyway, coraline had no plot whatsoever anyway, except "ohmygod i'm trapped, i need to escape". Despicable me (not the second) had a much better plot than coraline. So, again, not really sure what you're talking about.
... You think that Despicable Me 2 had a better plot than Coraline? Oh, fun fact: Metacritic is all reviews combined to give an average review. Coraline's average review from critics is higher and so is its Rotten Tomatoes review. The only reason why its user rating is lower is because it has had more ratings than Despicable Me 2 has.
Metacritic: 80 RottenTomatoes: 89%
Also, Despicable Me 2 has virtually no plot and focuses on humor only. Coraline focuses entirely on atmosphere and character interaction with very little humor.
One is for little kids One is for people who respect animation as an art
I'm not saying you have to like Coraline, but the movie is enjoyed primarily because of its rich and unique atmosphere and fantastic stop-motion animation. People like it because of the art that was put into it along with the premise and plot. Coraline actually has something much more important to teach kids.
People like Despicable Me 2 only for its humor (and granted, it is funny)but being funny will never beat a movie that actually has something important to show and something that has depth, art, creativity, character development, originality, and crazy awesome animation.
As i already said several times, the only real value if you want to compare "how good" a movie is, is raw numbers. And imdb has them. Other scores are irrelevant since they're just thrown around usually by 1 guy. The rest is just subjectivity and personnal opinion. If you want to compare 2 movies, compare their cricital success over the masses. The rest is indeed irrelevant since it can't be objectively compared.
The first Despicable Me was a good film. Not my favorite, but it was enjoyable.
Fun fact: I think Stop-motion is one of the coolest things to watch so I am naturally biased towards Coraline. Stop-motion requires so much work, so it bothers me when stop-motion movies are over-looked because they aren't as "flashy" even though much more work went into making them.
I mean, the zombies resurrecting in ParaNorman took over a year to animate and it is only a couple of minutes long.
Are you trying to ask me in your pigeon English have I seen a lot of animated movies.....
I didn't know pigeons spoke English, unless you meant pidgin English. You know, before dissing others on their knowledge of English you might want to brush up on your own. Proverbs about stones and glass houses come to mind.
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I did not love it either, but there were two clear story lines here- finding the villain who stole the arctic lab, and the Gru-dating-falling in love with Lucy. The minions partying on the beach was really the only scenes that seem superfluous, but people love them.
Why do cranky adults go to animated movies and bitch about them?
Unfortunately It's an animated movie aimed at young kids and brainwashed drones so a story and character development does not matter to most ( not all).
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