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Love this film, watched it again last night, but ...


... here's my thing. I see all the questions asked here (some dumb, some not) and pretty much, they're all now answered to my satisfaction. I understand the basic concepts of the omega, alphas, time resetting, the number of times Cage goes back and learns over and over, how he finally figures out the Paris thing, how he re-gains the time-shift thing at the end, etc. etc.

So here's my got'cha: If gets kicked awake every morning, goes off and gets trained with Rita every day, you would imagine that he would get sharper and buffer and that's JUST what happens. He becomes a real soldier, best of the best. Every day they push a little farther gets further along in the missions, to the farm house, finally reaching the German dam site, etc.

But if he wakes up every day with yesterday's body, his muscles aren't any better than day one. He can't *really* get stronger, as in building muscles mass. And can he really build up the kind of muscle-memory dexterity that gives him such a super soldier reflexes? I don't think so.

His mind can remember everything, he gets to know all the weapons well beyond figuring out how to turn off the safeties, starts asking for extra ammo and batteries, etc. He can also 'learn' about the alien movements in Rita's training with those machines. But how can his muscle-memory endure day after day when he wakes up each morning with the old original poof's body?

That's the one thing that seems unlikely to me. That daily routine would have to be MIND + MUSCLE training together, with no resetting.

Yeah, I know, complaining about little stuff in a futuristic sci-fi ...

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I agree. In marine training they train your body and mind. Someone could go thru marine training a thousand time like he does in this movie, but if their body wasn't progressing like their mind was then it wouldn't be the same. He his mind might be upgraded but if his body cant keep up then all would be lost.

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"Muscle memory" *is* a kind of memory, in the brain. It comes back with the resets.

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Well I can't refute that because I'm not a scientist, but I thought that muscle memory required some muscle action / reaction / response connected to the brain bone. (Not 100% brain.)

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I'm no doctor either. It's just easier to cheat and use Wikipedia:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory

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I understand your statement and it is both amusing(I'm no doctor either. It's just easier to cheat and use Wikipedia hahaha) and valid, but even if he still had the muscle memory to be able to swift side to side and dodge attacks he would still need the proper muscle strength to be able to push his weight fast enough. His mind might tell his body to move when it needs to but his weakened body wont be able to keep up unless he had the training he had.

That link even says

Muscle memory related to strength training involves elements of both motor learning, described below, and long-lasting changes in the muscle tissue


If he doesn't have that "long-lasting changes in the muscle tissue" he wont develop the correct muscle memory he would otherwise if he didn't repeat a day 1000X. Like I said, his mind will have it but his body wont keep up.

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Even when he trains, he's only dealing with a body that's 24-48 hours older than when he resets. There'd be no long-term muscle tissue changes at the end of his 2 day training that he'd really miss by resetting back 2 days. He just becomes really skilled with using the same body that he has throughout.

Also, as the other fellow just pointed out, he's using an exoskeleton. In this case, the "muscle memory" he's building up is more like becoming excellent at driving a car or playing a video game. :)

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Yea you guys make a valid point. I forgot about the exoskeleton he was using. I was thinking more of hand to hand combat and parkour stuff wouldn't change

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Your understanding of muscle memory is unscientific. Memory is in your brain. His actual mass is irrelevant, he does all the killing with the exoskeleton and firearms.

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Bingo

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He looks tired throughout the action. There's no fitness montage.

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It's all in the brain. Muscle memory included. Also happened in The Matrix, when Neo was given the memory (knowledge) about martial arts and then he's like "I know Kung Fu" about two seconds later.

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* He is fit to begin with

* He gets used to using that body under harsh circumstances. It doesn't get easier (as his muscles remain in their original state) but his experience with this body does get better and better.

* He uses an exoskeleton suit, and get better and better at it.

Imo those three points justifies the transformation we see. Surely if he would buff up etc. this would be a plus, but he doesn't and that is all there is to it.

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Dude good point!

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I was thinking the same thing, don't forget stamina. You build that but he can't because he relives the same day over and over again.

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