So I guess no Avatar 4 and 5?


With the soso slightly above average reviews, I think at most they will do the 3rd one if it isn't already finished but can the 4th and 5th installment. Probably won't make the same amount as Avatar as well until way down the line.

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Since the 3rd film has already been filmed - there's only a need for post-editing and advertisement.
Also, the first act of A4 has already been filmed as well (dunno how many acts they split films into though).
The scripts for A4-5 have already been written and approved.

But yeah - I suspect a lot depends on how this film does and how much of a money laundering operation this is. I've seen way too many big budget sequels being filmed one after another - at a loss, not to think that something is off. I figure if there's a huge stock market crash and blackrock/vanguard start hemorrhaging money, the odds are, they might not be able to fund woke/climate change films any longer and hollywood will have to change its strategy in order to survive.

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" . . . they might not be able to fund woke/climate change films any longer and hollywood will have to change its strategy in order to survive."

Refresh my memory. Where was climate change addressed in Avatar?

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It's very subtle (or perhaps not that subtle) - but it is there
btw, you didn't know that the current narrative is that lack of nature's preservation is accelerating climate change?
This film is all about nature's preservation - and one of the people that arrived in part 2 mentioned how Earth was a mess.

In part one - there's more focus on Earth.
Here is how they describe Earth - In the 22nd century, the population of the planet had more than tripled since the previous century. Due to pollution, famine, poverty, and war, the population had topped out at around 20 billion people. The Earth is now a decaying world, covered in a haze of greenhouse gasses.

https://james-camerons-avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Earth

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"btw, you didn't know that the current narrative is that lack of nature's preservation is accelerating climate change?"

Well, and it's not wrong ...

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Environmentalism is there. Granted. But the film does not address climate change.

You are connecting the dots and straining to insist that it's there, but I don't think climate change is on anyone's mind when leaving the theater.

I'd also argue that climate change is a more serious threat and would warrant a heading more urgent than "environmentalism." It would be like insisting creating a technology to avert an asteroid strike is another example of "environmentalism."

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Fair enough - let's go with environmentalism
I think I mislabeled the whole thing - in fact, are there any climate change films out there?

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And there's nothing wrong with being good stewards of the environment. What's wrong is when it becomes the ONLY priority to exclusion of truth and common sense.

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Only box office matters. With a $150m OW and two long holiday weekends, it should gross over $400m domestic and $800m international by Jan 2. Long haul, $1.5B WW.

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I hear he needs to make $2B to even turn a profit. Budget was around $350-400m and about $1B for both 2 and 3.

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Average reviews? It's 78% on Rotten Tomatoes with an audience score of 94% and an 8.2 on IMDb.

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Cinemascore A.

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Not enough reviewers, yet. Sample size is below 40k. Need at least 100k. Also it went down to 8.1 on IMDb.

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78 on RT is pretty average especially considering these movies get a bit boost from their insane cost alone.

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I'd say 60-69 is average.

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For the AVERAGE movie maybe, this is a Titanic-level epic. 78% is measly.

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Wtf do reviews have to do with anything? This ain't some indie movie that relays on word of mouth

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Very true. Critics blasted Jurassic World: Dominion but it still made a billion dollars.

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That's because it's a franchise and that easily pulls in the big dough, usually. Avatar is trying to be a franchise.

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Not an indie movie based on budget size but considering he's only made one movie of this then a sequel 25 or so years later, it might as well be. Maybe the magic or nostalgia that drove people for the first one will be there.

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Just came across this, may be of interest given the thread topic:

"During an interview with Total Film, Cameron said that the franchise will end with Avatar 3 if the second one underperforms at the box office. “The market could be telling us we’re done in three months, or we might be semi-done, meaning: ‘OK, let’s complete the story within movie three, and not go on endlessly’ if it’s just not profitable,” Cameron said. These movies are, in his own words, “Very f-cking [expensive]”—the reported combined budget for the next three movies is a whopping $1 billion, with plans for as many as six or seven movies if there is demand for them. The next movie is planned for 2024, Avatar 4 is slated to be released in 2026, and Avatar 5 is set to be released in 2028."

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