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Slightly "woke" (Spoilers)


This is a great example of a movie that doesn't need to wear its politics on its sleeve. The bare-bones skeleton of the story makes for great horror. Save all the speeches (the girl telling the guy how awful it is to be a woman in America [Really, American women, shut up already. You're the most powerful people on the planet at this point. Stop pretending the U.S. is some kind of third world country where women have to cover their faces, etc.] and the guy in the end pretending to be ashamed of himself for, apparently, having raped his co-star). When Romero made Night of the Living Dead, he was just making a horror movie. The politics came out on their own. Barbarian is ALMOST a great movie. The on-the-nose politics nearly ruins it.

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North American women, black or white, or whatever, have it better than 90% of people on the planet, but are among the most vocal about how everything is so terrible for them. Everyone else just fucking gets on with it without constantly whining.

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There are women in America that are so indoctrinated by feminism that they truly think women are treated worse in the west than anywhere else in the world 😳😳

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You are projecting. is White men the ones that have been the most privileged in the world.

Not only women (even in the west) have the permanent risk of being raped and sexually harassed, women are also discriminated at work for being women, paid less, etc.

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Could you please retype that so that it makes sense?

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The fact that any middle-class, Western women have enough temerity, gall, and/or sheer ignorance to not realize they’re quite literally the most privileged, protected group of earthlings in the history of all known time and space is at once scary, hilarious, and incredibly embarrassing.

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Not only women (even in the west) have the permanent risk of being raped and sexually harassed by men, women are also discriminated at work for being women, paid less, are less likely to hold positions of power, etc. Women are also in a culture of sexual objectification, where 49% of the population hate them and/or see them as objects.

I don't see how they are most privileged than western men

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I'm guessing this is the real post and the one above was a mistake.

Men get raped too. Women, generally speaking, do not get headbutted or punched in the face for looking at someone wrong or saying something dumb. This is something men have to live with their whole lives. It's a two way street. Women are objectified but they can use that to their advantage if they are savvy enough. Women get punished less for the same crimes. "Objectified" women have the option to marry for money and never have to work. Women don't get drafted and they also live longer. They are even biologically privileged compared to the rest of the world and even compared to North American men.

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1. By "looking at someone wrong" or "saying something dumb", what exactly do you mean? I've seen men say insane amounts of dumb things and looking at people all sorts of ways without a headbutt or any kind of violence.
2. I don't know if you're trying to compare rape to this hypothetical "headbutt for saying something dumb" here, but if you are that's an insane take and shows you have no grasp on the severity of rape and its impact. If you're NOT trying to compare them, I'm not sure why you just threw out "men get raped too" and then introduced this bizarre hypothetical situation of men getting attacked for saying dumb things.
3. Ah, women have it better because they can marry for money. Would you marry for money? Personally can't see the benefit to that, presuming you're marrying somebody you do not love and aren't attracted to. I'm not sure what era you're living in but a lot of families are dual income and there are plenty examples of women who earn more than their husbands.

I'm not here to debate who has it better or even say anyone's worse off than the other, but I can't understand people like OP and yourself who have to insert discussions about gender everywhere. Yeah, the movie had an on-the-nose discussion about the situation being less dangerous for a man, but was the character wrong? Sure, it was unnecessary, but who the fuck cares? A woman would be more skeptical of a man if that situation had been reversed, I'm not sure what the harm in pointing that out is. It even has Skarsgard's character refuting it and having valid points, it's not just one-sided preaching.

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Agreed. I just rolled my eyes when the typical "Women have it so hard" speech hit but I didn't let it detract from the movie. Making Justin Long's character a typical rapey douchbag almost came close to annoying me but I understood what they were doing with him. Overall the stupid moments didn't detract from it too much IMHO.

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Women have it made, and I am a woman.
A woman can admit in court she screwed around on her husband and that the child is not his, and he can still be forced to give her "child" support if she won't or can't name the father.
She can lie and say she is on birth control to trap the man, get pregnant, admit what she did and he still has to give "child" support.
With the "child" support it can be her and one child (needing two bedrooms) and she can move into a more expensive place with more bedrooms and the extra rent is factored into the "child" support.
She can lie and say a man raped her after she has consensual sex (or even no sex) and his name and picture will be everywhere. Then if the truth comes out, maybe a tiny mention and her identity still protected.
If she is pregnant and he really wants the baby and she doesn't, she can abort or give it up for adoption and he has no say.
Look at what happened to the boy scouts. Now it's "scouts" and "girl scouts" because it's ok to have an all-girl club but not an all-boy one.
When an adult male teacher has consensual sex with a 17-year-old female, he's called a "pervert" but when an adult female teacher does the same with a 17-year-old boy he is "lucky".
If a woman does not get a promotion she did not deserve but a man who does deserve it gets it, she can cry "sexual discrimination" but it does not work the same the other way around.
It goes on and on.

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Glad I'm married and had the snip.

Never thought I'd say that.

To much info? Probably 🤷‍♂️

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Luckily, there are plenty of women who recognize this.

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Yup!!!!

Signed, another woman.

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When an adult male teacher has consensual sex with a 17-year-old female, he's called a "pervert" but when an adult female teacher does the same with a 17-year-old boy he is "lucky".

Well, in fairness, no one is exactly going to have a high opinion of that female teacher, and at the very least (I would think) she would lose her job.


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No, people make comments about "Why didn't I have teachers like that?" and the women say (rightfully) that the kid knew what he was doing. But insist the underage girl does not.

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I was going to call you a pick me but to be honest, I don't even think you a are a woman

Women are more likely to be single parents, and be loaded with all the work related with raising children without the economical or practical support of the father. That's why the laws of child support protect women more.

Women have been traditionally raped and harmed by men without being believed and even today that's the case. Being raped is hard to prove, and most of the times the crime goes unpunished. Statistics show that lies about rape are rare, however, impunity is the norm.

Women endure all the physical consequences of child birth, and a child is way more impactfull in the life of a woman. It can even completely stop her career prospects. That's why a woman should decide if aborting or not.

The thing about boy scouts is irrelevant, but women have been historically excluded from many spaces.

Adult people should not have "consensual" sex with children. In general. The law forbids it regardless of the sex of the people involved.

Women are actually discriminated and that's why women make up less than 30% of management positions and the share is close to it for any positions in some industries




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Actually, i am a woman but I see reality.
A woman can admit she screwed around on her husband and DNA can show the kid is not his and he can still be forced to pay. Even if he had no idea it was not his kid when he at first "accepted" it. Should DNA tests be mandatory before the man signs the birth certificate? I can just hear women screaming about that idea.
Even after admitting she screwed around, she is usually still favored in the divorce.
Again, a woman can collect far more "child" support than she spends on the child and never has to show how much "child" support is actually spent on the child. And her WANTS, not just her NEEDS are factored into the amount. (Example: It's her and one child. She NEEDS a 2 bedroom apartment but WANTS a 3 bedroom. Guess what? He has to pay.)
Yes, rape happens. However, it is NOT rape if she fully consented then changed her mind, or he does not call her ever again.
No, adults should not have consensual sex with underage (there is a difference between a child and a 17-year-old) but the fact remains men get far more time then women do, especially if the woman is "hot".
These days, all a woman as to do is make an accusation and the man's life is over. If she is proven to be a liar, her name and face are not broadcast everywhere saying she is a liar and she is rarely punished for it. And the man usually still suffers for it anyway.
How is the scout reference "irrelevant?" If the girls can still have "girl scout" why can't the boys have "boy scouts" or just have one group called "scouts" and get rid of "girl scouts" so it is truly equal?

Oh yea. Groups yelling te most about "equal" don't really want equal. They want special privileges.

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Jesus! This is the true horror movie.

Both men and women have to be careful, as one bad man or woman can easily RUIN another man or woman’s life.

The only difference seems to be that evil women still get sympathy. Look at all the serial killer couples. The woman usually gets way less punishment. She just has to say “he made me do it” and she’s in the clear!

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The misogyny is coming from inside the house.

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I too noticed these 'woke' points.

It's so played out now. I swear every second horror film you see today has some element relating to the evils of men and the tragedy of being a woman. (Men, Last Night in Soho, Resurrection, The Invisible Man, Titane, Midsommar, Watcher...also I haven't seen them but She Will and Fresh are perhaps two others.) You'd swear it's a necessity to include such elements for your film to get made. That's a joke but it honestly might be true!

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If you haven't yet, I highly recommend watching The Empty Man (2020). It's very non woke in my opinion. So much so that it seems like it was made specifically to be anti-woke. 👍👍

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Sadly I notice the “agenda” messaging pretty much everywhere in tv and movies now. Barbarian wasn’t too bad with the messaging so I could still enjoy it but I really miss the days of watching movies without such strong messaging

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Amen on absolutely everything you said. And I'm a woman. But the part you and I part ways is the "barbarian is almost a great movie". I thought it was fucking stupid. Not just because of all that woke bullshit but because of pretty much everything. Although I did love Bill of course.

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These days, if a movie (in my opinion) doesn't completely stink, I'm impressed.

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🤣🤣🤣🤣 I hear ya 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Damn you said it. Most movies these days cannot even keep me interested enough to where I finish it.. barbarian actually kept my attention - so rare for modern movies

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"I thought it was fucking stupid." And yet, April, you tried, in two since-deleted posts, to get people to pirate this movie. The criminal aspect aside, why did you want to promote a movie you didn't like?

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Wah, wah, wOke.

- man

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Wah, wah, wOke.

- beta


Fixed it for ya!

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Oh no! Someone put an opinion in a movie I don't agree with!

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Nobody said anything of the sort, but you keep trying to disrupt things with disingenuous bullshit. See how that works out for you around here.

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Yeah, the people obsessed with race and gender on this board are so tiresome.

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And they're all cons

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