You really thought a film by Greta Gerwid wasn't going to full of femenist empowerment and left wing messages?
shareI still want to know why a Barbie movie has a picture/drawing that includes a map that shows a disputed area of water China.
Well, I know why, I just want to hear some lame excuses for it.
I did give her the benefit of the doubt for about 90 seconds. Good to see my assumption is true, in the end.
shareI was expecting some kind of positive feminist/girl power message along the lines of girls can do anything and/or girls should chase their dreams, but I was surprised at how frequent and overt the ant-male elements of the film were. I would have had no objection to a positive message about equality or girls/women accomplishing whatever they wanted.
shareI hear that if you play a drinking game and have a drink every time someone says "patriarchy" in this movie, you'd die of alcohol poisoning before the movie was over, lol.
shareYOU HEARD WRONG.
shareThey do use the word patriarchy a lot in the film to the point where it feels excessive.
shareTHIS BULLSHIT...I WANT TO SEE THIS DAMN MOVIE...I AM NOT PAYING THEATER FUCK YOU IN THE ASS PRICES THOUGH...SO I HAVE TO WAIT...FOR FUCKING EVER...UGH!@!#$%%!
shareYou say its Bullshit. But you didn't see it.
shareWEIRDO...JUST FOR YOU AND THE OTHER MISCREANTS...I WATCHED IT...IT WAS DELIGHTFUL...IT'S ABOUT GROWING UP AND RECONCILING YOUR OWN PRECONCEPTIONS AND IMAGE OF WHO YOU ARE AND WHERE AND HOW YOU FIT IN...AS WELL AS OTHERS PRECONCEPTIONS ABOUT YOU...IT'S ABOUT CHANGE AND LIFE...EQUALITY...TRUE EQUALITY...WHERE PEOPLE SEE EACH OTHER FOR WHO THEY ARE NOT WHAT THEY REPRESENT OR MEAN TO OTHERS...IT'S ABOUT THE PATRIARCY AND THE MATRIARCY AND HOW NEITHER ARE RIGHT OR FAIR...IS IT JUST ME OR ARE YOU INTERNET WHINERS NOT VERY GOOD AT THINKING?🫤
shareInteresting interpretation of the film. I often agree with you Kowalski, but this time I'm going to have to disagree on this one. I didn't see anything in the film about growing up or fitting in. The film doesn't seem like it is promoting or advocating for equality. At the end of the movie, the Barbies still have all the power in Barbieland and when the Kens ask if one ken can be on the supreme court, they are outright told no and to settle for lower positions. The kens in Barbieland have less power than women in the real world. There are in fact women on the supreme court in the real world. It would have been better if they had instituted a new system in Barbieland where they gave equal opportunities to everyone, regardless of gender. I don't usually complain about things like this, but I do think that the internet whiners as you call them actually have a valid point this time.
shareAt the end of the movie, the Barbies still have all the power in Barbieland and when the Kens ask if one ken can be on the supreme court, they are outright told no and to settle for lower positions.
I've never read A Modest Proposal so I can't comment on that. If Barbie is trying to be ironic, it fails and does not do a good job in promoting equality, if you think that is what it is trying to do. It's not just that one scene that is problematic though. Much of the film contains male bashing and it goes beyond good natured ribbing. I don't mind jokes poking fun at men's faults, but Barbie came across to me (and many others) as anti-male. It is possible to celebrate women and promote women's rights without bashing men, but Barbie doesn't do that and I honestly don't think it ever tried to do that. If it did, then it failed to achieve that and that is bad film-making.
shareYou don't have to have read A Modest Proposal to gain an understanding of the mechanics of how satire and irony work.
If Barbie is trying to be ironic, it fails and does not do a good job
Sure, it is possible I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I am willing to admit when I am wrong. It is also possible that I am right and those who disagree may be wrong. You might even agree with my take on the film after you have seen it.
shareIt is also possible that I am right and those who disagree may be wrong.
You might even agree with my take on the film after you have seen it.
I didn't see anything in the film about growing up or fitting in.
DUDE...THAT'S THE WHOLE MOVIE...AMERIA FERRERA AND HER DAUGHTER,BARBIE,KEN,THE ENTIRE FILM IS ABOUT GROWING UP AND FITTING IN AND THE CONSTANT CHANGES THAT ARE A PART OF THAT.
the Barbies still have all the power in Barbieland and when the Kens ask if one ken can be on the supreme court, they are outright told no and to settle for lower positions.
THE MATRIARCY WAS WRONG...THEY KNOW AND ADMIT THAT...BUT JUST LIKE WHEN WOMEN GAINED THEIR RIGHTS IN THE REAL WORLD...THE KENS ARE NOT GOING TO IMMEDIATELY GET TOP FLIGHT JOBS...THEY HAVE TO WORK AND EARN THEIR WAY TO THOSE...THEY NOW HAVE THE RIGHT TO CLIMB THE LADDER...THE NARRATOR EVEN SAYS IT WON'T BE LONG BEFORE KENS AND BARBIES ARE ON EQUAL FOOTING IN ALL FIELDS.
THIS MOVIE ADVOCATES FOR PEOPLE TO SEE WHO PEOPLE ARE AND NOT WHAT THEY ARE...ACCEPTANCE AND LOVE...THIS IS A POSITIVE MOVIE WITH ZERO BAD MESSAGING.
YOU ARE STONE COLD WRONG ON THIS,MY FRIEND.
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. We have very different takeaways from the film. I still think they should have cast you and me as Kens. We are at least as handsome as Ryan Gosling, right?
shareI've just came back from watching it and as a male I don't see any anti male messages, quite the opposite.
At the start Barbieland is just for the females. Barbie doesn't even know where the Ken's stay.
When Ken sees that men mainly rule in the real world and comes back he tries to change barbieland to be the same. It's a role reversal and had the same problems e.g. only one sex has the power.
So when the Barbie's take back control they decide to try and make it a bit more equal. Yes they don't let the Ken's go into the top positions but then after women had the right to vote there where still a lot of stuff they couldn't do.
Some countries still have a bad record for female rights
While the film does focus on female rights more, which is to be expected, to me the end message was that equality should be equality for all
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shareYou got offended when i called someone "jewish" and accused me of anti-semitism. Not surprised you got offended by this movie too.
shareAt least we learned an important lesson after this advertising campaign: it appears Hollyweird got better at tricking people into coming to the theaters by not outright saying that there was gonna be woke shit in the film, even though there was. It means we can't trust film advertising anymore, not after this.
shareWhy are you so enamored with this movie? You haven't seen it and you have no children. Do you realize how stupid you sound?
shareHow can anyone in their right mind think a Barbie film, i.e. a f-cking BARBIE film, wasn't going to be "full of feminist empowerment"?!! 😂
That's like going to see a Jason Statham movie and declaring it a surprise to find it was full of machine guns and fist fights...
Wait! What? Are you saying that Jason Statham movies are full of machine guns and fist fights?
shareOh - and sharks. I forgot about the sharks...
Anyway, you've been warned - don't be "duped" the next time you go to see Statham expecting it to be all light and breezy. There will be guns, fights...and possibly sharks.
I have been warned, but the lure of sharks may prove too great.
shareGunfighting, fistfighting sharks. Pretty amazing, considering they can't make a fist nor do they have fingers to pull a trigger.
shareWhat tf? What kind of Barbie are you familiar with?
shareEh? The Barbie which is a girls' play doll.
I think if you have any failure to understand my point, the question would be what kind of Barbie are you actually familiar with?
I'm familiar with the one that has absolutely nothing to do with 'feminism' or any social movements.
shareThe one that's had Barbie in costumes for pretty much every job which weren't traditionally considered "womens' jobs" since the 50s/60s?
Or the one which has been styled more recently to be more inclusive socially by having wheelchair versions, etc?
I guess you must be "familiar" with something else - are you sure you even mean Barbie? Perhaps you've got yourself mixed up with something else...
Is "Barbie" trying to make some kind of statement? If this is the case, I think it's crazy. I haven't seen "Barbie" and pretty much have no interest. I did figure it would be a lighthearted, fun, loose, easy going type of film. If it does try to make a statement, I think the film makers should realize this is Barbie we are talking about. She's a doll, she's not a politician.
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