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Linda Lovelace was obviously a liar


This movie is based on Linda Lovelace's "autobiography" that was written in the early 1980's when she was embracing a idealogy I call "victim feminism". This almost completely discredited idealogy, which most self-respecting women and even most feminists, would probably consider insulting today, basically supposes women have no free will, so if they end up working as strippers, porn stars, prostitutes, etc., it MUST BE because they were forced into it by men. Worse, Lovelace wasn't even sincere about this. She only became a "feminist" some years AFTER she failed to parlay her infamy from "Deep Throat" into main street celebrity.

Of course, some women ARE forced into prostition, but she was the only mainstream porn star to claim this, and strangely she never did so in the early 70's when she was at the height of her minor fame and had lots of mainstream exposure. Instead she started a revue in Las Vegas and made "Linda Lovelace for President". Her stories are also contradicted by everyone she ever "worked" with back then--Harry Reems, Gerardo Damiano, Thora Birch's mom--many of whom are not otherwise still friendly with the porn industry. She's also contradicted herself numerous times. She allegedly took a polygraph at her publisher's request after this book came out, but if THAT story is even true, the machine probably exploded or she passed it only because she was a sociopath.

It's not hard to believe she was in an abusive relationship with her then-husband Chuck Traynor, but then she turned around and made outrageous claims about mild-mannered director Gerardo Damiano holding a gun to her head. This is typical "victim feminism"--instead of blaming ONE man and assigning ANY responsibility to a woman for her poor romantic choices, they blame some kind of "patriarchal" male conspiracy, even though the larger "patriarchy" back then was definitely against women being in porn. Moreover, that was a strange time when porn was largely still illegal, but porn stars were quasi-celebrities; porn producers were outlaws flying under the radar, yet there were probably thousands of liberated young hippie girls willing to go all the way on screen (it was the height of the Sexual Revolution). And in the midst of all this, a large conspiracy of people chose to risk kidnapping rape and felony menacing charges (a gun to the head) to force one, only marginally attractive woman to make a porno movie? Pardon the pun, but this whole story is VERY hard to swallow.

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I agree wholly with your post. To portray Linda Lovelace as a victim, as some ill-informed posters have left messages, is totally wrong. Prior to her "discovering" feminist ideals, Lovelace bragged about her sexual exploits with "Playboy's" Hugh Hefner and "Screw's" Al Goldstein with whom she had oral sex in his office following an interview for his magazine.None of her participation in sex with these two men and even Sammy Davis Jnr was coerced by Chuck Traynor or anyone else.
I would suggest before taking Lovelace's words as gospel from her later publications
"Out of Bondage" and "Ordeal" one should read her own words in her earlier biographies "Intimate Diary of Linda Lovelace" and "Inside Linda Lovelace".
She was a willing party in all her pornographic movies and loops and further evidence of this can be supported by reading Richard Smith's "Getting into Deep Throat" and Legs McNeils "The Other Hollywood".
I haven't seen the movie "Lovelace" yet but I trust it has been treated objectively and not slanted as just another abused woman biopic.

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I don't know what to believe about any of this. I do however have questions. How can we be sure she really wrote her autobiographies? Ghost writers have always been used in the book business. If she actually did write her autobiographies, how do we know that she wasn't either coerced into writing positive things about her life by her psycho husband, or wrote the content fearing if she told the truth her husband or someone else would go after her? I'm keeping an open mind about what really might have happened. Coerced or not, I think it's impossible to know the truth now. I'm sure that porn isn't always a negative thing for performers, but it's not always going to be a positive thing for them either, it's never going to be a 'one or the other' type of situation. Regardless of what actually happened, I just hope that Linda didn't suffer too much.

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That was a very inflammatory and unpopular statement you made about Marilyn Monroe being nothing but what Neil Young referred to as "see-thru hooker". I happen to agree with ya. The root of the Gloria Steinem "feminist movement" came around about the time I was about nine or ten years old. Even then while I sat with my parents and watched the Walter Cronkite news and saw the scene with all the women standing around yelling about "Freedom" and "Respect" and throwing their bras into a barrel full of flame. Even then something felt "hinky" about the whole thing. Soon enough I learned that there was nothing more respectable than a woman with her nipples showing through her white secretarial dress.. Yeah, that feminist root had a rotten spot. Feminism is something that each woman, individually, has to work out for herself. As in: Am I going to ALLOW myself to SUBMIT to abuse and swallow these disrespecting comments and actions coming from this man who says he loves me, and am I going to ALLOW this "man" to use me sexually or am I NOT ? That is the question.

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If she actually did write her autobiographies, how do we know that she wasn't either coerced into writing positive things about her life by her psycho husband, or wrote the content fearing if she told the truth her husband or someone else would go after her?


I agree. She may have written glowingly about it at the time, but it could have been out of fear of what would happen if she didn't. Prostitutes can't easily leave their pimp. There's really no way to know for sure.

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Linda's books were all ghost written. The name of the writer(s) escapes me, unfortunately. For a more balanced account of Linda's life, written with her cooperation, a few years before her death, check out Eric Danville's The Complete Linda Lovelace.

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"in the movie" they show Chuck telling the writer what to write.. as Linda sitsi n a chair. So the movie makers discredit earlier autobiographies in this way.

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Chloe Sevigny has been flogging this same dead horse for a decade now.


"oh boo hoo, I did oral sex in 'Brown Bunny,' i have felt so cheap and dirty ever since, boo hoo...."







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I don't know where you get your information, but I have seen numerous interviews with Chloe Sevigny and every time Brown Bunny is brought up she says she doesn't have any regrets.

This article, published 1 year ago, reiterates my statement above: http://www.celebitchy.com/239160/chloe_sevigny_people_expect_me_to_say _i_regret_brown_bunny_but_i_wont/

Do you have a source with Chloe whining about that role or are you just making up crap?

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I had heard of her when I came to America, but I don't know much about her or her life. I know she died in an automobile accident some time ago and had married with children. I am one of those people that don't believe you are forced to do anything you don't want to. She seems to have enjoyed her fame from doing these adult movies. I am not saying there was no abuse going on, I don't know anything about her private life, but a lot of these adult actresses after they "find religion" or move on to happier lives like to blame their husbands, family, friends, etc. They don't want to take responsibility for what they decided to do. IF you want do be an adult actor and make movies there is nothing wrong with that in my eyes, but to blame others after the fact is disgusting. Linda Lovelace may or may not have been a victim of domestic abuse, but she had a choice and chose to do it and love it while doing it. I have no interest in seeing this movie. I think it's actually a stupid thing to do. We have only her word on what she wants us to believe. Others have said she wasn't a victim and loved doing the movies. I hope it bombs in the theatres to prove a point.

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I don't agree with your victim feminisation argument .
but to believe that someone would do dozens of porno films all of which had to have other people involved and she was forced to do every single one. utter b.s.

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I gree that Lovelace was totally exaggerating the whole thing. i saw her on a tv interview years ago, and she didn't seem sincere at all. Alot of times, when porn stars begin to lose their looks, they become bitter, and angry towards the people that "used" them; they search for other ways to make some money, so they invent this stuff. That way they can cash in twice, on the same thing. First she made the money from her films, then she made a little more money on her books and interviews. Traci Lords did the same thing; anyone who believes THAT girl was a victim is really gullible. But I'm still gonna see this film, because it is a great, sleazy story. Fiction or otherwise, this film holds the same fascination as "Boogie Nights." and you know THAT film was 50 percent fiction..

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Uh, Boogie Nights was 100% fiction.





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"Boogie Nights was %100 fiction..."

Not really, it was based, very loosely on the life of John Holmes. I thought that everyone was aware of that by now..

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Sort of, but show me one scene from that movie that actually happened to John Holmes.





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Some of the cheesy porno scenes in Boogie Nights were lifted almost verbatim from John Holmes movies. And alot of the stuff was based on things featured in the adult documentary "Exhausted: The John C. Holmes Story".

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The scene where a character is receiving a blow job while holding a gun to the woman's head is, obviously, inspired by Lovelace's allegations.

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Except that it was a scene from a porn film, not a "real-life" scene. PTA didn't seem interested in showing the porn industry in the negative way that Lovelace retroactively did. He wasn't showing anyone being forced into the business in any way.





"My mistake. Four coffins."

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As Boogie Nights progressed, the porn industry was portrayed in an increasingly negative light mirrored by the change from film to video.

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True, but he wasn't showing anyone being forced to perform on camera. It's very different from Lovelace's revisionist history.





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Yup.. have to agree here.. I think PTA showed the shine went off the apple of the porn film in the transition to amateur enyone in the world can hold a camera type of porn.

But no.. no one in Boogie Nights was forced into it.. Its just at that point in Nights that everyone was stuck in what had become a more grind them out industry.. cheaper and cheaper..

If you notice lately there is a surge in, some corners of porn, to bring back in at least SOME form of story. These are mostly the parody type films, but there are some productions trying to be more film like.. That's what they were trying to do at points in Boogie Nights, but then it all went away.

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I don't know how much of Lovelace's account of events I believe.
However, I don't believe a single word that came out of Traci Lord's mouth.

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Traci Lords did the same thing; anyone who believes THAT girl was a victim is really gullible.
You should read a little more about Nora Louise Kuzma/Traci Lords. She WAS a victim. I don't know anything about the porn industry and she seemed to have entered it willingly, but she was very young. Now, I'm not saying she was a "victim of the porn industry," but she WAS a victim.

"She was raped at the age of 10. At 12, she fled from her abusive alcoholic father. Her mother's new boyfriend, Roger, was a cocaine dealer who molested her.
At age 15, Nora (Traci) dropped out of high school and was living with her mother's ex-boyfriend, Roger. Posing as her stepfather, he helped her respond to classified ads requesting models. Using a false driver's license ID that stated she was 20 rather than 15, she started in the porn industry"

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your argument is flawed because Linda retired from porn at the height of her career and in the porn industry especially back then. looks do not matter as much as skill.

she was reported as being extremely great at sexual activities such as oral

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Er... so how are hookers coerced by their pimps, excuse me, boyfriends, to sell their bodies? It's the same.

I understand there are women who love the money and don't care. And there are even who had come out and stated they are freaks who love it. But that doesn't discredit anyone else.

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You sound desensitized. Too much horror and porn?

Of all the propaganda and lies which are produced for film and tv, this is the one you vehemently attack? You're out to defend the reputations of these princes of society?

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