Why is rape consider worse than murder?
Don't get why rape got two threads yet, Damon has done so much worse, like murder.
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It's not. The difference is people don't try to excuse away/defend the perpetrator and blame the victim when it comes to murder. Idk why that's so hard to understand.
sharehuh? People always defend Damon whenever he kills someone saying that the murder victim deserved it.
Murder is still worse than rape.
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Okay I can answer this one truthfully: When you are raped it takes such a big part out of you and you are depressed and wish you were dead for a long time afterwards and it's a big violation of who you are. The victim can feel that her attacker had of killed her instead so she won't have to live with it and have such a huge distrust in people. It's very hard to get over if you ever do especially if people act stupid and try to make it feel like it's your fault, you got what you deserved, or flat out don't believe you Trust me on that one!
But on the murder thing: That would take up too much space.
"Who lives, who dies, who tells your story"
Exactly why I think rape is worse.
shareI think it's easier to get away with rape than murder. I know of very few rapists who have been successfully imprisoned. Most times rapists get short prison sentences or the evidence is considered to be so negligible that they get off. Rape is not treated as seriously b/c it is a very gendered crime.
People treat rape victims horribly. They harass them, drive them to suicide, burn down their houses and blame them for the crime committed against them. More women in my family have been raped than murdered, so I see one crime as being much more common and more downplayed. People don't really downplay murder quite as much.
When you are raped it takes such a big part out of you
When you are murdered it takes EVERYTHING out of you, and everything you could have ever been.
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Well I would have preferred everything at that time, okay?! No offense but please refrain from commenting on something that you haven't lived through! Because if you have you would have wished you hadn't of!
"Who lives, who dies, who tells your story"
I'm pretty sure no-one here is a victim of murder so this conversation is moot. There is no solid answer because there are only survivors to give an opinion on one of the two scenarios and who knows what option a murder victim would choose if given the choice.
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I know what you are saying but IDK I just feel that some of these people are just saying "Well at least you weren't killed" in between the lines which to me is really annoying. It's been a few years now and at times it does feel like it happened yesterday. So a big part of me did die and there was a time I did wish "all of me" had of. Sorry to get so upset but I just can't help it especially when people act like it's not a big deal.
"Who lives, who dies, who tells your story"
No need to be sorry, it's obviously an experience that has been horrifically traumatizing to you personally, and it most definitely is not something that should be downplayed.
This whole thread is a lose lose and fraught with emotion because the solid answer is they are both equally horrific acts that can be performed against a human being.
I truly hope that with time, you will find a way to get through this and live a fulfilling life. I know that it's possible so just hang in there ;)
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"Who lives, who dies, who tells your story"
One can acknowledge the difficult time emotionally and mentally that rape victims go through, while at the same time acknowledge that murder victims have suffered too. Murder victims can't speak for themselves and it really shouldn't be a competition in which suffers more.
Both things are awful to go through and it would be cruel if any person had to pick between being raped and murdered. Rape victims wouldn't picked to be raped and murder victims wouldn't eagerly offer themselves for murder.
I say that they both make the victims suffer. Rape victims have a lot to recover from. But, I just don't think that because a person dies, it shouldn't discount or discredit or take away from the fact that the murder victim may have suffered at the hands of the murderer before death.
And as a matter of fact the way that the victim suffered before death or the way that they were killed may play a factor in the degree of murder that the person is charged with and if the murderer is sentenced to life or death in prison.
Rape is worse. You just did the worst thing you could possibly do to someone.
At least when you kill someone their problems are over, the same can't be said for a rape victim (unless they are killed afterwards which would be a mercy.)
I say that they are both bad. Rape leaves behind an emotionally/mentally traumatized victim, who has to try to live and recover from being brutally violated.
But, someone's problems aren't over when they are murdered in cold blood. Their right to live gets taken away from them and let behind is their family/loved ones who have to grieve and mourn them. So, I think that a family dealing with someone else taking their loved ones life away is a harsher death to have to mourn over a family member dying of natural causes.
Especially if it's parents having to deal with their child/kid being murdered. I see murder as equal especially if it's someone taking the life of an innocent child and robbing that child of being able to have an entire life ahead of them. And leaving the parents with the pain of no longer having their child around.
But rape victims can get justice more easily than murdered ones. They are still alive, they still have a voice, they still can get their life back around. Can't say the same for murdered victims.
That's why there are so many unsolved murder mysteries. So many people that get killed gets no justice.
Theoretically - yes. In practice and statistically, no. Rape has the lowest conviction rate of any crime.
shareNot really always true since there are a lot of rapes that go unreported because of how rape culture is and how the victims get blamed for their rape or attacked for coming forward and trying to get justice. In the justice system there are many rape kits that are sitting around and never get tested and rapists walk away all together or get a light sentence like in the Brock Turner case. With many Colleges they don't take rape reports seriously and won't investigate it like they are suppose to, especially if the person getting accused is a student athlete.
So, I disagree with the part of how rape victims can get justice more easily.
I know this for sure as well. It's not easy to get a conviction because of lack of proof. Most cases won't even go to trial and that will be the end of it. At least in a murder it could be a cold case that may get justice eventually but for rape victims once they decide there is no evidence that's pretty much it.
"Who lives, who dies, who tells your story"
Actually their problems are over since die means to be at peace and move on to wherever it is you think you go after death. Your family has to deal with it but you yourself would be at peace and not feel any pain unless of course your death is slow and painful which is usually not the case on this show. I would have rather have been killed than raped TBH I know my family and friends would have been hurt but at least I wouldn't have to live with it any longer.
"Who lives, who dies, who tells your story"
But murder is still cruel if the right and the choice of the murder victim to live is taken away and if they would choose to live and go on in life without having someone come along and deciding to end it. I wouldn't consider being killed by murder peaceful. People can be murdered in lots of painful ways depending on how the murderer kills them, so I wouldn't say that it's peaceful for the victims.
Some of them have to go through the mental and emotional pain of knowing that their life is being taken away from them. Some might have to go through physical pain before getting killed. And some get raped and sexual assaulted before being murdered. And I think that those who rape a person before murdering them are extra cruel.
Murderers aren't that better than rapist because they violate a person's right to live. It's not there right to make their victims problems be over or to rationalize the fact that the victim is better off dead because their problems are over.
We don't know if all murder victims would be okay with being killed for their problems with being over, because we have no way to ask them since they are dead. But, if there was a way that we could and they would have preferred to live then that is what makes murder equal to rape or worse.
I respect your views and that they are different. but there are real life cases of people being murdered and saying how they don't want to die before being killed.
If a murderer hears that victim begging for their life and pleading to live and not be killed and they murder the person anyway, then that is just as cold blooded a rapists raping a victim who saying No or a rapist raping a victim who clearly hasn't given consent.
I understand what you are saying, murder is cruel but of course when you are a rape victim especially one who didn't get justice and who is believed to be a liar, you will wish something worse happened since living with it can be a lot worse.
"Who lives, who dies, who tells your story"
Rape victims can still have a choice to move on though after that while murder victims gets all their choices taken from them. Damon did rape Caroline and that was horrible but we did manage to see Caroline moving on from that and live her life after that, yet all of the innocent lives that not only Damon took but Stefan, Caroline, Klaus etc has ever took have no way having the choice to live their life like Caroline ever did.
shareI just think it's better to actually die than to live through it but I don't want to discuss it anymore since I'm getting frustrated all over again. It's easy for someone on the outside looking in to say you can just get over it but like I said I'm done discussing it. I'm really wishing I hadn't of even replied in the first place.
"Who lives, who dies, who tells your story"
It will always be a personal choice. As many people have committed suicide after being raped - either immediately, or after year s of suffering from PTSD from it - as have survived. Out of those who survived, they've struggled with depression and phobia that have severely impaired their quality of life. So even if they didn't die, they certainly had the life they would have otherwise had - taken from them.
shareShould katherine been to blame toosince she's the one who took caroline's life? She pratically did not give caroline any chance.
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@emilythedramaqueen You may wish something worse happened or you may eventually be all the more grateful for the life you get to live. I say this as someone who has been exactly where you have been. For me, I'm grateful to be alive. No one has the final say on how rape victims should feel about themselves or their life.
shareBut, someone's problems aren't over when they are murdered in cold blood. Their right to live gets taken away from them and let behind is their family/loved ones who have to grieve and mourn them. So, I think that a family dealing with someone else taking their loved ones life away is a harsher death to have to mourn over a family member dying of natural causes.
Eh, I think that depends on one's cultural and spiritual beliefs. When someone is murdered, due to the fact I was raised Christian, I believe there is one thing the murderer can never take from the victim and that is their soul. Especially if the victim is saved, I know they've moved on to eternity with the Father. My uncle was shot and killed last month (robbery), and yes it was devastating and we'll all miss him. But we find peace in the fact that he not only knew God, but had a personal relationship with Him.
So he's at peace and is free from this world, which I'm not sure if you've noticed is quite cruel. And yes, his problems are over. His killer, however, better repent. Because his problems are just beginning. And if he doesn't, when it's his time to pass on, he'll have an eternity of torment and misery to look forward to. Eternity is a long time.
Again, it's all about your beliefs and how you view death. I don’t fear it. Sure it hurts when it happens to a loved one, especially if it happens suddenly and violently. But this too shall pass. I serve a God that conquered death, so it's aces.
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(unless they are killed afterwards which would be a mercy.)
this is the worst piece of crap I've encountered in Internet in a while. Mercy would be restore their sense of self-worth and help them overcome the whole thing. You clearly have no idea how many people get raped, "mercy killing" is not an applicable concept here. share
It got two threads because Damon's rape was never addressed as such on the show and many people still deny that it ever happened.
As for why rape is considered worse... I imagine that that's a question for both the writers and the Damon-defenders. The writers who refused to use the word 'rape' in any way on the show or in their interviews/writer's commentary but made the decision to depict not one, not two but several storylines involving nonconsensual sex. Not just Damon to Caroline; but Damon to Andie; Katherine to Stefan; etc.
Then the Damon-defenders who will do logical gymnastics to deny that rape occurred. They obviously feel that rape is worse than murder otherwise they won't be so determined to defend/minimise it.
As I said, the rest of us are just pointing out the fact that this is never addressed properly in the show and considering how pervasive rape culture is, the real-life parallels/implications of this are disturbing.
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Well, guess you got your wish. Inciting yet more hate.
If you didn't get why there were two threads you will now,
The reason is because almost everyone else on the show has killed someone, therefore Damon is not as big a target for murdering people. To justify hating Damon more than anyone else the "rape card" has been played.
Play on. I'm over it.
I can't wrap my head around the logic that hating a fictional character needs to be "justified" by anything.
Next thing I'll be hearing that we need to "justify" hating Palpatine. Or Voldemort. Or Sauron.
I just wish we could drop both of these topics. I will say this and I know it's going to be controversial but if any of us vampires we would do sh!t to our advantage.
shareUnless it is a serial killer who likes to torture his victims before killing, then I'd say rape is worse because it can't be done "on impulse." You've got to really want to hurt someone that bad, to continue, because rape isn't over in one minute. And you've got to like hearing someone's crying or screams.
Like, there is murder of passion. A women walks in on her husband having sex with someone else. In rage, she grabs the gun from the night stand drawer and shoot.
Or someone is ticked they got fired, went out, bought a gun, walked into the office and shot their boss. That takes a day of planning, but the murder itself? Done in one minute.
Rape is continuous during the act. (Since the majority of rape is men raping women, I'm going to focus on that for this) It's not just - vulgar language ahead - the guy grabs the girls and sticks in his penis in her vagina, and it's over in thirty seconds. It's longer, a process, and someone has to be really sick to draw all that out and enjoy it.
There's also random rape too at bars where the girl do not know what's going on, no kicking or screaming.
Just like you said, murders have types too. But killing is always wrong unless it's an accident or self defense, which cannot be said on all the selfish killings on this show and I hate how murder gets taken lightly by most of the people in this board and made a big deal about Caroline and Damon non-consensual sex six seasons ago more than horrendous murders in this show.
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But killing is always wrong unless it's an accident or self defense
Seriously? Rape is ALWAYS wrong! There is no self-defense rape or accidental rape.
Murder is taken lightly on this show because it involves vampires, vampires whose mythology includes murder. People would probably be upset with the murder if they tried to call it something else or insist it didn't happen, just like they did with Damon raping Caroline. share
Seriously? Rape is ALWAYS wrong! There is no self-defense rape or accidental rape.
Murder is taken lightly on this show because it involves vampires, vampires whose mythology includes murder. People would probably be upset with the murder if they tried to call it something else or insist it didn't happen, just like they did with Damon raping Caroline. share
I'm so sick of this crap.Damon never raped anyone!
All of you Damon hating psychotic a holes should go to a web site all by yourselves and burn pics of Damon, this is ridiculous, enough already, have an intelligent discussion or F off.
And what is an "intelligent discussion" in your view? Blind, Damon worshipping?
Is Ian Somerhalder a "psychotic, Damon-hating a-hole"?
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