DCEU is kicking MCUs a$&! With only three films so far. - Suicide Squad (2016) Discussion

[–] Kmadden2004 8 years ago

This is a really, really stupid comparison to make.

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[–] Kmadden2004 8 years ago

No, it's not comparable, seeing as how they're not like-for-like products.

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[–] Kmadden2004 8 years ago

Not on a film by film basis, they're not.

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[–] wickerman71 8 years ago

You are not taking into account that the DCEU is starting with their team movies before their solo movies so not really a fair comparison. Do you really think that if the JLA movie is done to the same quality as BvS that it is going to get Avengers type Box Office; because I seriously doubt that.

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[–] Madcap2112 8 years ago

Dick. Two of the most like for like universes ever made.

Dick. Iron Man and the HULK can't remotely compare in cultural signifigance to BATMAN AND FREAKIN' SUPERMAN. Before Iron Man, the GA didn't know who he was.

A better comparison would be Iron Man 3, which released the same year as MOS. And Civil War, that released around the time BvS did, followed by Dr. Strange which will release around the time SS did. Thus far BvS and SS COMBINED only beats CA:CW by around 300 million dollars. CA3 Made almost as much as BOTH DC BLOCKBUSTERS COMBINED.

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[–] MyHandsAreTied 8 years ago

A better comparison would be Iron Man 3, which released the same year as MOS. And Civil War, that released around the time BvS did, followed by Dr. Strange which will release around the time SS did.

Though I don't agree with the idea that we should be comparing the first 3 MCU movies to the first 3 DCEU movies, you are doing the same thing as the op, only in the opposite direction. Marvel built a cinematic universe that is very profitable and the first Avengers movie reaped the benefits of that built universe, so to compare the beginning films of one universe with the second phase of films in another universe doesn't work. Dr. Strange will be successful because Marvel is successful.

DCEU has just started and just because Superman and Batman are huge figures does not mean people will flock to the movies for it. It's still the beginning of their universe, so there isn't a lot of connection to the characters. Some would argue there won't be because the DCEU characters are one dimensional, and that is a fair critique, but we still need to see where the DCEU goes from here and how they build their universe and the story/character development.

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[–] alexryan31 8 years ago

who wasted a fortune making and marketing their films

When one wants to be idiot... I guess one will be an idiot.

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[–] Furious_Styles77 8 years ago

how can you make this comparison when batman and superman are the most popular comic characters created ?

please can you explain to me why BVS didn't make anywhere near Civil Wars Box Office?

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[–] Furious_Styles77 8 years ago

So by you're logic suicide squad should beat BvS correct ? Each film made means the box office gets bigger ?

Stupid is as stupid does

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[–] Madcap2112 8 years ago

Simple bvs two movies in answer civil war 12 movies in. If you need more help please ask.

Did the nuthouse get Internet again?

Batman and Superman in the same movie for the first time should have DESTROYED Civil War, but it didn't. Why? Because it SUCKED!

God, the excuses for the sh!tty quality of the DCCU are hilarious.

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[–] Ollymandias 8 years ago

So what you're saying is that MArvel took their time building up to this over a period of years to assure both maximum hype and to raise the stakes in the MCU to the point where a 'civil war' didn't feel rushed, contrived and cynical; instead of realeasing a tonally confused, convoluted *beep* of a film with an overture of one prior release that in itself had a lukewarm reception.

Also as much as the political debate in CW wan't the best, at least it wasn't Jesse Eisenberg and his 'Wachowksi' approach to adolescent philosophy.

RE: quality. Not going to defend CW hugely but I will insist that if nothing else it was coherent and made to a certain standard. And by that I mean it wasn't hacked to pieces by some trailer editing company to make it more like GotG, that it was lit competently and the action wasn't boring as f!ck.

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[–] Madcap2112 8 years ago

Civil war had 11 trailers called "movies" before it came out therefore the hype was at fever point. Bvs got slated even before filming started therefore a whole bunch of dimwits never bothered watching but still post how crap it was. And if we're going on quality civil war was the biggest disappointment in superhero movies ever. If you disagree you're a liar.

Wow, you are dumb.

To use your reasoning:

Superman (1978)
Superman 2
Superman 3
Superman 4
Batman
Batman Returns
Batman Forever
Batman and Robin
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight
The Dark Knight Rises
Superman Returns
Man of Steel.

13 movies leading up to it.

Not to mention 70+ years of being pop culture icons.

Yet it was STOMPED by CW.

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[–] PeppermintPanda 8 years ago

The obvious question is "Why does that matter?"

Where these two franchises were when they started is vastly different. Marvel was a new movie studio, with no experience making or marketing movies, that took relatively unknown characters, and made good movies that enabled them to create a shared universe. While inflation is not a huge factor, the worldwide movie market has rapidly evolved since Marvel's first movies were released and now the foreign movie market represents a much larger portion of the worldwide box office than it once did.

Warner Bros is an established studio that has a ton of experience making and marketing movies, they took extremely well known characters, made bad movies that were marketed exceptionally well, and tried to create a shared universe instantaneously. The long term question I have for DC is how long can they bait and switch their audience before they start to see significant drops in their movie's Box Office?

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[–] DethstruXioN 8 years ago

Sony and FOX are in the same boat.
They both tried to make shared Universe movies, but either had to back out or failed.

The X-Men movies are making some back doors, but they would have to make some deals before a cross over could happen. Same for Spiderman and Fantastic Four.

It looks like Marvel, despite of having sold their best known heroes, is calling the shots after all, because the other corps are failing to emulate the Marvel madness.

The Disney overtake and Avengers movie changed the game, for the better for Marvel, so i think Disney actually deserves some credit, but to level it, Marvel had to play with lesser known heroes at the time, taking it step by step, Sony, FOX and WB tried to jump on the Avengers train, but they all kinda missed the jump.
WB still gets around because its got 2 of the most iconic superheroes in store, but aside from Nolan's trilogy and some previous Batman's, WB has been a lackluster since.
Sony & FOX just dont get it, X-Men and Spiderman are barely tolerable at times, and FF4 gets crapped on by everyone. Deadpool might be the only good thing from them, because Wolverine has been lacking too.

They are trying to do the opposite of Marvel, and i think they suckseeded :P
Less success and less successful strategies.

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[–] Kmadden2004 8 years ago

It was new back in 2008.

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[–] Furious_Styles77 8 years ago

No but you certainly are

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[–] alexgon1965 8 years ago

DCU will never catch up to MCU 20billion plus in 13 films and counting, with Dr Strange this year and the other 3 films coming out next year . Marvel will have to stop production for the next 5 years or more for DC to ever catch up

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[–] CichlidAsh 8 years ago

God some DC fans are so stupid that I don't think I could ever get bored with this forum, I am just sad that I did not come here earlier to see the claims that BvS was apparently going to shatter box office records and end MCU and Star Wars.

Tarburrinman you can not compare a film from 2008 to a movie from 2013 like you have with Iron Man and MOS. If you wish to compare movies box office then you need to at least compare ones from the same year at least. You wont want to do that though as you will realise that Civil War is so dominant in terms of box office that it makes DC look like a sickly child. Let us not even go into critical reception because then things start to look worse for DC.

Only the most stupid of fanboys would think that at the moment DC is competitive with Marvel when it comes to CBM and the financial promise that each studio represents.

What would have me worried most is not Marvel, DC I am sure know that it would take a long time to reach where Marvel is at the moment. What would concern me is that none of the current DCEU movies can match the box office of TDK even without that films box office not being inflation adjusted. Even with the biggest title that DC could offer us which is Batman Vs Superman they could not break a billion that is really bad news when Captain America 3 can.

What titles do you think that DC have left which will appeal to the general public more than Batman Vs Superman would? I seriously doubt that people who are not DC fans or knowledgeable about comics will really be interested in Justice League, especially after the very mixed public reaction to BvS and terrible critical reviews.

This is all besides the point though as a audience member I don't care how much a studio is making, what I care about is good films and three movies in one is only ok another is really disappointing and one is terrible. So how many films does DC have to be into the DCEU before it makes a movie as good as they did with TDK?

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[–] vinnybinny 8 years ago

I agree with the original poster - it is a matter of fact that dc has only released three connected universe films to date man of steel bvs ans ss and the box office return IS HIGHER THEN MARVELS FIRST THREE now ok the argument is that the dc characters are more well know BUT the fact is they dc has taken more then marvel did at the same point in their shared universe THAT IS A FACT

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[–] Kmadden2004 8 years ago

It's also a fact that the genre was in a different place ten years ago.

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[–] vinnybinny 8 years ago

but that still does not change the fact that dc' first three shared universe moves have beaten marvels first three shared universe movies at the box office the number DO NOT LIE be it poor critic reviews etc etc its a FACT what ever spin you put on it

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[–] Kmadden2004 8 years ago

It might be a fact, but it's also a fact that has a significant amount of context surrounding it.

And stripping it of that context is a much greater example of spin, frankly.

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[–] vinnybinny 8 years ago

not sure exactly what your point is if im being honest - but to answer a previous point it took marvel 5 films before it crossed the billion mark with the avengers bvs took close to 900 million in its second shared universe film so with wonder women and justice league i can see dc breaking the billion mark soon enough

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[–] Kmadden2004 8 years ago

Let's boil it down to this; you are comparing the box office results for the first ever movie to star Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman to an Incredible Hulk movie that came out nearly ten years ago.

Do you really think that is a like-for-like comparison?

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[–] vinnybinny 8 years ago

man of steel was the first in the shared universe not bvs now the hulk has had a tv series with lou ferrino that is replayed to this day around the world he had multiple tv movies again replayed around the world then the hulk with eric banner then edd nortons version so lets compere that to man of steel that was the first in the shared universe and the made 575 million vs the incredible hulks 263 million

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[–] Kmadden2004 8 years ago

man of steel was the first in the shared universe not bvs

Yeah, i know, how does that counter anything I've said?

now the hulk has had a tv series with lou ferrino

You really think a cult TV series from thirty years ago is enough to give Hulk the same amount of cultural cachet as the first ever Trinity film?

so lets compere that to man of steel that was the first in the shared universe and the made 575 million vs the incredible hulks 263 million

Why?

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[–] vinnybinny 8 years ago

my point is that the hulk is not a b-list character he is as famous as superman and should have done far more that it did

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[–] vinnybinny 8 years ago

i dont agree hulk as i said tv series tv movies two big budget movies two avengers movies etc etc

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[–] Kmadden2004 8 years ago

Wait, hold up...

No. Just no.

When The Incredible Hulk was released in 2008, Hulk only had a cult TV series and one other movie that was a box office bomb.

That is in no way, shape or form anywhere near the same level of cultural impact that Superman has had over the last forty years.

I mean, seriously, I don't know what you're trying to prove by bringing the two Avengers movies into this conversation.

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[–] Kmadden2004 8 years ago

Except he was a B-list character at the time. Superman has been a certifiably iconic figure for over forty years, Hulk hasn't.

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[–] kitsunegames 8 years ago

so what are you going to do about it. so are we gonna stop compairing them now? you yourself want to compare your marvel *beep* here. accept 3 dceu movies kicks more than 50% of marvel movies made. simeple as that

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[–] ranma_st 8 years ago

Now, what about first MCU ensemble movie (Avengers) against first DCEU ensemble movie (BvS). Wow, what a way to destroy a movie. Avengers destroyed, crap all over Batman v Superman. Wow. Oh and Avengers is an universally loved movie, not like these DCEU crap.

FROM:"Save me Batman, please, save me" WB and MOS TO:"Save me Product Placement, save me" WB and BvS

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[–] Kmadden2004 8 years ago

You just know that if Justice League fails to break $1b, they'll start comparing it to Captain America and claim that as a victory, right?

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[–] DethstruXioN 8 years ago

Theyre "winning" battles, but losing the war.

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[–] ranma_st 8 years ago

Well, I tend to understand these poor guys, they have nothing to celebrate, nothing to really claim as a victory. They have to cope with three bad movies, critically panned films and three box office disappointments in a road. They have put the best they have (Superman, Superman/Batman/WW, Batman/Joker) against "not even" the best Marvel can put on screen and they have been literally destroyed in every aspect. So, in order to feel some imaginary and temporal happiness they have to cowardly put their best guns against Marvels' "first" (I can't say "worse", because Marvel does not have worse to compete against the DCEU) and even then they know it's not real. I fell kind of pity for them.

FROM:"Save me Batman, please, save me" WB and MOS TO:"Save me Product Placement, save me" WB and BvS

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[–] Kmadden2004 8 years ago

so are we gonna stop compairing them now?

Well, the grown ups here probably will.

you yourself want to compare your marvel *beep* here.

Show me where I am going out of my way to compare Marvel to DC's box office.

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[–] adithyanarayans 8 years ago

So your point being iconography >>>>>story for better box office results.

All it takes is one bad day to reduce sanest man alive to lunacy

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[–] Kmadden2004 8 years ago

No, that's not the point I'm making.

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[–] adithyanarayans 8 years ago

Then what's the point of defending first three movies of MCU which didn't make as much money as first three DCEU films.

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[–] Kmadden2004 8 years ago

What's the point of comparing them in the first place?

(other than to score imaginary points in a childish fanboy pissing contest, of course)

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[–] adithyanarayans 8 years ago

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[–] Kmadden2004 8 years ago

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Not sure if you're laughing with or at...

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[–] adithyanarayans 8 years ago

With you.

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[–] Jake1976 8 years ago

Whenever someone use "Caption" making their sentence look intimidating they actually look dumb.
DC was not only more popular but also widely known because of Superman & Batman even Justice League was quite famous too. I didn't grow up knowing about Captain America etc. So yes DC have big following & MCU is just new kid in the town but difference is MCU Daddy is Disney which changes everything in a good way for MCU. DC clearly need good scripts & directors. After DKR their movies are not up to the mark which is sad but true.

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[–] vinnybinny 8 years ago

the dark knight trilogy had christopher nolan directing chris nolan is one of the best directors to ever pick up a camera just look at inception interstellar the dark knight etc he is even being compered to Stanly kubrick and i agree dc does not to get its elf sorted out with decent scrips and directors im hoping for jj abrahams to direct mos 2

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