Episode 6 destroyed Luke Skywalker again! - The Book of Boba Fett (2021) Discussion

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Book of Boba Fett is a SEQUEL, isn't it?

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[–] furiousstyles (4391) 3 years ago

How was Luke destroyed ? im confused ?

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[–] FootOfDavros (8142) 3 years ago

Surely enough given in the OP for a fan to work out what I was getting at.

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[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

NO ONE knows what you're getting at.

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[–] Martoto (5024) 3 years ago

The lack of definition of how Episode 6 destroyed Luke in this post just tells everyone that it's more of the same old pacifier spat out, toys thrown out the cot, whiny fanboy bullshit.

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[–] FootOfDavros (8142) 3 years ago

Or maybe it shows that the OP was deliberately ambiguous in order to avoid any spoilers for anyone who clicked on the thread before they'd actually watched the episode.

And just imagine if that was the case? My, that would ironically make someone else's post the toys thrown out of the cot, whiny bullshit one... 🙄

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[–] Abed303 (282) 3 years ago

The fact is that you've been asked to clarify your point and provide further detail, on a message board dedicated to such discussion. You've failed to do that and prefer to remain ambiguous, which is why you're being criticized. If anyone who hasn't seen the show is reading posts like this, then it's on them. You refrained from giving spoilers away, congratulations. Now however, it's the point in the discussion where you stop throwing toys, put the pacifier back in your mouth and explain yourself.

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[–] FootOfDavros (8142) 3 years ago

LOL. Did you forget to log in under your other account?

I'm perfectly happy to explain why if any genuine fan couldn't really work that out from the OP. The point of the post you've seen fit to reply to though however was to show the irony of people getting unnecessarily ruffled and reducing themselves to pathetic language straight off the bat on a thread rather than displaying some civility - as I had chosen to do with the OP.

It made for some rather hilarious reading...

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[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

What is wrong with you? Everyone is asking you to actually make your case and you're just mouthing off in response.

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[–] FootOfDavros (8142) 3 years ago

What's wrong with me? I would counter with what's wrong with you?

I didn't mouth off at anyone - I quite clearly pulled someone up re the irony of THEIR unnecessary whining and have since (two days ago!) largely expanded upon the OP (which as I said should have been obvious enough for a fan who had seen the episode in question without ruining it for others) just two posts below this one...

See the spoiler tagged post if you're genuinely interested rather than just being happy frothing off.

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[–] asom (6824) 3 years ago

Ok, now that you can remove your fear of spoilers can you make it CLEAR why/how was Luke destroyed?

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[–] FootOfDavros (8142) 3 years ago

As per the OP, it showed Luke subscribing to the "no attachments' mantra of the prequels.

This did not exist in the OP and furthermore Luke was shown to openly ignore Ben pretty much telling him to let his friends die.

Luke refused to give up his attachments - and later returns without any castigation / excommunication whatever from Yoda for holding on to his attachments (not that in reality he would have done as this Prequel nonsense hadn't been made up at that stage).

However, even that aside, it's utter nonsense to believe a character who followed his own path without following such dogma (or even the closest the OT came that) would suddenly then lay down that requirement on a youngling such as Baby Yoda, which would obviously cause the child such anguish.

It's clearly garbage and while (as per the OP) marrying up droids from both trilogies was a nice unifying touch, forcing Luke's character into this simply to attempt a further marrying up of the trilogies just makes a mockery of the character. Equally as stupid as that seen in the Disney Trilogy.

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[–] Martoto (5024) 3 years ago

Yeah. That's not an illogically far fetched bullshit scenario.

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[–] TandyMan (11096) 3 years ago

Why can't we have a sitcom of Luke and Mara Jade raising Baby Yoda? Make it just like Look Who's Talking.

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[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

Let me start by saying I'm not a prequel hater, so I'm not one of these idiots who'll go into a frothing rage if they see anything that hints at a prequel plotline. That said, I was PISSED!

I mean Luke has always been kind of a dope, but in those two episodes, they made him into the kind of irresponsible idiot that made me long for some time with the older Luke of the prequels!

In my case, I'm not mad because of anything related to the sequels, but because Luke treated Grogu horribly and irresponsibly. For instance, Grogu is a toddler, can walk a little but hardly talk, and Luke is so on fire to teach Jedi that he isn't taking his pupil's developmental level into account. I mean asking someone who probably doesn't know how to read or write or use a toilet to decide his future? And then sending a toddler into a fucking war zone - alone? Without checking with Mando first, to make sure he can care for a child right now without his ship or his coven? OMFG, everything about Luke's treatment of his first pupil is hasty and irreponsible, Grogu will presumably still be a child when Luke is an old man, any teacher he'll ever have will need to be patient and let the child learn and mature at the pace appropriate to his species, and here's Luke giving him the push after a few weeks because a toddler likes a shiny thing.

And yes, he's subscribing to that "no attachment" bullshit that fucked up his father in the prequels, and I've been ranting about how awful that policy is since 1999.

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[–] melissah1982 (883) 3 years ago

I haven't seen the show yet. Just finished watching the Mandelorian last week, so Boba Fett this week. but I think why I have been so hesitant to watch anything is because of how they are treating Luke. I don't 100% hate the PT as well but I also don't watch them and don't care for how they present the Jedi. I get it. I do. and in order to understand the fall of the Jedi from that time, it made sense for them to look out dated and too strict and blind to how they were treating people. so that's in the past. Obi Wan and Yoda tried to push some of that told think into Luke and he refused it and succeeded using his own heart and mind. His attachments are what saved the rebellion. His love for his father is what saved Anakin in the end. So to see them try and put this prequel stuff into Luke just doesn't fit. I am not even a fan of Ashoka being alive and part of his story. I didn't like how in Mandelorian, how Luke was fighting like a prequel Jedi. That's not how Luke fought in RotJ. and I get it, 5 years since RotJ, he learned a new style I guess. I just don't like it. It doesn't make sense to me and it comes down to a # Not my Luke kind of thing. They make him too stoic. But like Yoda acted crazy when he met Luke, Luke plays stoic to present a certain persona to people. In reality, he's much more natural and jovial. They way he acted with Jabba was completely different from how he was when he showed up to the Endor meeting. It wouldn't kill us to see him smile and youthful. I guess the TL;DR here is they are putting a prequel skin on Luke and it just doesn't fit for me.

Editing to add that I know there had been some previous discussion that Luke KNEW what Grogu would choose. I just don't think the execution was done well enough to see what Luke was trying to do. Sometimes trying to hard to be mysterious is a detriment to the story. And again...enigmatic Luke is not Luke to me. No need to make a 50 year old baby work that hard, haha

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[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

The Boba Fett show isn't very good and the last episode does not rise above its predecessors, so IMHO no need to rush out and see the episode in question. And also IMHO, if Luke were going to send a toddler away from Jedi training and back to his dad, he ought to do so with a note saying "Grogu is too young for Jedi training right now, tell him to come back when you die of old age. Then, he'll be school age, and old enough to begin training for real". After, of course, Luke might check so see whether he'll be sending the kid into a war or something!

As for Luke being an idiot and falling for that "No attachment" crap, when his attachment to the father he'd never known saved the galaxy... well, Luke was never the brightest bunny. Immensely good-hearted and likeable, of course, but his mind isn't exactly honed to razor-edge brilliance. And it could make sense that at this stage of his life he'd be keen to do things the way Ben and Yoda did, and well. When most people embark on serious study for the first time in their lives, they tend to be very keen and feel like they're discovering the secrets of the universe, and it takes a while for whatever capacity they have for criticial thinking to kick in and start questioning what their teachers are telling them. So yes, I can believe that a few years after the fall of the Empire, Luke would be crazy about all things Jedi, and wouldn't realize he'd already disproven their ideas about attachments.

I just can't believe that Luke would send a defenseless child into a war zone. He should have gone in person, it's not like he needs to stay home and teach others, or supervise the droids building the new temple.

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[–] FootOfDavros (8142) 3 years ago

Obi Wan and Yoda tried to push some of that told think into Luke and he refused it and succeeded using his own heart and mind. His attachments are what saved the rebellion. His love for his father is what saved Anakin in the end. So to see them try and put this prequel stuff into Luke just doesn't fit.

Exactly, well said.

The other ridiculous thing about trying to enforce this nonsense on Luke's character within this show is that it doesn't even make sense in terms of Sequel Trilogy Luke!

There we know that Luke had obviously maintained his relationships with Leia (as if he was going to abandon his newly discovered sister!) and Han. Furthermore he was training his own nephew. So no lack of attachments there 😂.

So, simply to shoehorn in some unnecessary prequel linkage, the cartoon prequel writer has made it go:-

OT Luke -> Attachments ok.
BOBF Luke -> Attachments unacceptable.
ST Luke -> Attachments ok.

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[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

Well, people do change their minds about things over time. See above, for why I think that Luke might have bought some of the traditional Jedi bullshit about attachment at this point in his life. Studying the Jedi wisdom would have seemed so new and exciting at that point.

I actually like the older, wiser Luke of the prequels! Not everything about him or his story, of course, but I loved the fact that he'd realized the Jedi were wrong about a lot of things (don't get me started), and that he'd forged a deeper, more personal connection with the Force. But I disagree that a Luke who'd realized that the Jedi Way was bullshit would go and hide for 20 years, I'd guess that after he'd gone away and had some time to think... he'd realize that attachment was the most important thing in the galaxy and he'd go back to Leia, and become close to her and Han again. He'd just let Leia do the heavy thinking...

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[–] melissah1982 (883) 3 years ago

You all make great points. I tried watching Episode 1 of Boba Fett...I'll be honest, even in the books, I always hated this idea of him surviving the Sarlaac pit. Watching that whole first 10 minute sequence was embarrassing. Just not a character I care that much for. I also agree that Luke would have went with Grogu. He would never leave a child to go off on his own, I just don't get it.

I think what all this discussion proves is just how much more of Luke's story I am interested in seeing. If they are going to have Ashoka there, it would make a great series of HER trying to teach Luke the old Jedi way and him trying to figure out what stuff works for him and what doesn't. It would make more sense to me for why Luke seems to be flip flopping with his actions as opposed to assuming he's just 'changing his mind' at points. The conflict of wanting to keep the old Jedi way and forging his own way is intriguing. I guess you can say that was all done in the original movies but these series allows us to see him grow more into it. I always liked this one concept from the old books where people told or Luke figured out that he wasn't the LAST of the old Jedi; he was the FIRST of the new. But right now, since we are only getting small glimpses and call backs and foreshadowing to the prequels and sequels (which I also don't care for) it's hard to get a stable understanding of what is going on with Luke here. I guess I just want more than 'oh! there's Luke and his temple!' and that's more than they can do with a show that isn't supposed to be about him.

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[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

I'm pissed that they had to drag Luke and Mando into the Boba Fett Shitshow for ratings, and I'm pissed that they made a has of Luke's appearance. Showing him sending a small child alone into a fucking war is, IMHO, worse than anything they did to him in the prequels!

And I don't know how much more of Luke's story the fans really want to see, because it seems that the fans who identify the most with Luke hate what he became in the prequels. I think a lot of them want to see Luke living out their fantasies of living out the galaxies, not being fallible and making mistakes (even plausible ones, I hate him sending Grogu away the way he did because it's not plausible). And some really don't want to see him mentored by a woman, even one they know from "Clone Wars", there are some very unpleasant people in the fandom.

Fett worked much better in smaller doses, and at this point in Luke's career, IMHO the same might be true of him.

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