with his little cartoon universe. It's kind of annoying the way he shoehorns several of those characters into these two shows. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy Mando, and the last two episodes of this show have been noticeably better, but he shoves his little character into these shows just to keep them around.
shareAnd what's wrong with that?
shareAnakin never had an apprentice, for starters. Let's be real about this. That show had nothing to do with the movies and we all know it. You can watch the prequels and it's quite clear these characters and events didn't exist; but Filoni is insistent about putting them in our face.
shareJar Jar Abrams and Ruin Johnson did the same with their awful characters as well.
shareGeorge Lucas authorized Clone Wars and stated that it is an anthology to the films.
Clone Wars (2008) is very much canon and part of the Star Wars Universe.
Show me one piece of evidence from the movies Anakin had an apprentice.
Or that Maul and Sidious were gallivanting around the universe conducting "secret" wars out in the open.
You wouldn’t see it in the movies.
But the series was carefully written so as to fit the canon and not contradict the movies.
Because it never happened.
Carefully crafted my ass. Stuff like this never happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQATBFIZ13o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOZ4SpuOmH4
ROTS makes it quite clear that was their first fight since AOTC.
ROTS makes it quite clear that was their first fight since AOTC.
Stop it. You know this scene is a direct reference to their last (and only) fight. You know, when Dooku MAIMED Anakin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cmwTrTMqCo
It could go either way.
If Anakin had said, “my powers have doubled since our last fight in Geonosis”, you would be correct.
But that is not the case.
Either way my foot. You know he's referencing THAT fight. Nothing happened in the other ones. Of course he's talking about when Dooku changed his life (cut off his arm).
shareNo, you don't know that. If he says "since our last fight," that could mean they have had 10 fights since the one you reference, or 100 fights, or none. "Since our last fight" simply means since the last time they fought.
shareI do KNOW that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZb1kqraK7A
Obi-Wan: This time we do it together.
Obi Wan was talking about Geonosis, but Anakin wasn't? Now, stop. it.
Exactly.
The prequel trilogy just hammered away at the fact that Anakin was barely in control of himself. He's the only jedi shown in film to have such a lack of control. By the end of episode II Anakin was filled with pain, rage, vengeance, humiliation, loss, etc. It was already established in episode I that Yoda sensed his internal struggles. It's ridiculous to think he'd be allowed to train a padawan.
That show is filled with contradictions and inconsistencies. If someone likes it? No problem, I've read and enjoyed plenty of comics and some books with problems, but don't tell me it meshes seamlessly with the movies. If it ain't live action, it's a side project. Expanded Universe type of stuff.
shareWho says either was talking about that?
shareLucas kept a Star Wars "Bible" of official canon storylines for writers in order to avoid contradictions in the expanded universe re: books; games; movies; series. The Clones Wars series was considered canon by him. Disney tossed the guidebook.
shareThat's nonsense. He had areas for people to avoid because he couldn't give a damn about the EU stuff and didn't want to have to answer to stuff that was written in them and could toss them whenever he felt like it. In other words, he never considered them canon.
Disney came out and told everyone where they stood and admitted that film and TV series would not be stuck with any continuity that exists in the EU stuff. This enables them to only create publish, shoot and distribute canon material going forward. And not stuff that's purposely segregated off so that fans can pretend to themselves their getting the whole story while the owner of the IP can pretend they don't even exist. Even Mark Hamill stated that the Mara Jade stuff was just a joke to him and George was more or less oblivious. That's how much he cared about the stuff.
"he never considered them canon."
That's not what I wrote. Lucas had compiled an official reference guide for authors so stories, characters and lore wouldn't conflict with each other. I was into the EU and the stories were very consistent.
The Heir to the Empire books are enjoyed more than the Disney sequel trilogy crap. All Disney has done since they bought the franchise is to remake the original trilogy. They don't have one original thought.
"The Heir to the Empire books are enjoyed more than the Disney sequel trilogy crap. All Disney has done since they bought the franchise is to remake the original trilogy. They don't have one original thought."
Heir to the Empire has Palpatine talking to Mara Jade from the grave and a clone of Luke named Luuke. Don't give me this "original thought" crap. The prequels were original and blow. Rebels introduced stuff like time travel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v254mgxMmG8 and it's moronic. Original is irrelevant to quality.
Disney SW is quality? LOL!
shareI know it's not what you wrote. It's what I wrote.
Lucas told people where to stay away from and what not to contradict. Besides that he was disinterested.
You are fucking dreaming about the Heir to the Empire.
Nonsense. Lucas spent 18 years creating SW movies and decades building and running a huge corporation with multiple smaller companies including video games, TV/movie special effects, media sound, animation which he sold, photography editing which he sold, Indiana Jones franchise as well as the huge Star Wars franchise which included film, TV series, licensing deals for toys and merchandise, books, music, dvds, games, etc..
Your attitude that he must personally do everything in a large corporation otherwise he's disinterested is ridiculous.
Lucas loved and cared about SW and treated us fans well.
When Trekkies were sued for making fan films, Lucas created an official fan film contest, became the judge and used his money for cash awards.
When fans asked for a few skins while trying to port an old SW game to newer PCs, Lucas allowed them to have skins plus the newer game engine, mods, music for free. That type of generosity is unheard of and could only be permitted from the very top aka: Lucas!
Devoted fans who created free SW material on the internet have been contacted and hired by Lucas. One guy was hired to write a comic.
Lucas has always shown kindness to the fans so I don't appreciate the attacks on him by ungrateful fans.
You're part of the reason he sold his corporation to the white slavers.
You are fucking tripping mate. And you're talking about different stuff entirely.
He ringfenced a few time periods in Star Wars and told the publishing arm what couldn't be touched and left them to release whatever they wanted. He had no interest in what they came up with.
Only a few losers are marred to the idea that the shows and movies are going to be adapted from the novels and comics they spent their money on. Lucas never touched them. He used the income made from them at the time to do the things he was interested in doing. The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, Radioland Murders and computer graphics.
But you expect Disney too be "creative" and film stories you already know and which Lucas never wasted his time adapting either.
Don't watch Star Wars since you hate it so much.
share"You are fucking tripping mate. And you're talking about different stuff entirely."
Ah, I see you've meet Keelai.
DUDE. STFU. The cartoons are not always accurate or always considered canon. Most people dont even watch them. Jesus Christ. Stop being a fannerd. So what if Anakin had an apprentice. Jesus q christ
Smh.
[deleted]
Anddddddd whats wrong with that? The characters are fantastic, cad ban and asouka are cool as fuck
shareYou and I both know Anakin never had an apprentice and she's a reminder of that disconnect between the movies and show. It's forced. There's no real reason these particular characters need to be popping up now.They're all major players in The Clone Wars, apparently don't exist in any way in 6 prior movies, but are all emerging again now. Please. Most of them would be dead. Filono just shoehorns them in their because they're HIS characters. There's no rhyme or reason for these particular individuals to be present.
shareClearly he did because she is in the show.
shareThey wouldn't even grant him the rank of master: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82GnV58Zopo, but sure. They trusted him with an apprentice. Uh huh.
Like I said to the guy above, like the show all you want, but there is GLARING plot holes and continuity errors - and you know it.
Did you even watch Clone Wars?
You don't need to be a Master to have a Padawan ... In fact there aren't many Jedi Masters at all.
You just need to be a Jedi Knight, which he was. Case in point Obi Wan was not a Master when he took on Anakin either, he was only a Jedi Knight as per:
https://youtu.be/kE-wvaM6OoI
It's not a plot hole.
Anakin wasn't made a master and they openly resented him being placed on the council, but they trusted him with the life of a Padawan. Sure.
shareDid you read anything or even watch the video?
Your entire thread has been debunked.
Obi Wan takes Anakin as an apprentice after only becoming a knight, not master.
Move along.
Dude....you just need to stop.
1. The Jedi Council didn't like Palpatine interfering with their business, such as naming people to the council. He MADE them put Anakin on the council, when he was clearly far from ready. They didn't like that. So they weren't just going to confer the rank of MASTER on him, when he had just become a knight 3 or less years prior.
2. Yoda or whoever, clearly put Ahsoka with Anakin because she had a similar personality/temperment to him. And it was clear, in the show, that even though Anakin still suffered from his own impatience/insubordination/etc., having to be responsible for her, and teaching her, did help him to mature and grow up more. Which was the point of "trusting him with her life".
3. You really need to stop with the "You and I both know" bit. Just because something "makes sense" to you, doesn't mean it makes sense to others.
Show me evidence from the movies Anakin had an apprentice.
shareThe idea that Anakin would be given an apprentice considering his performance at Geonosis that almost got him and Obi Wan killed. And in the middle of the war.
"Yeah I know you got your ass handed to you and lost your arm and Yoda had to save you, letting Dooku escape in the process, but here's a young kid to tag around with you now that the war's underway and you need to command thousands of clone troopers which you have no experience of either."
It's unreal people defend it. It's clear he didn't have nor was he fit for an apprentice or leading an army. Like the show all you want, but the inconsistencies are GLARING.
shareI don't mind of people like it. It's Lucas's prequels that are the problem. I don't know if he came up with the idea or Filoni did, but Lucas definitely approved of Anakin having a padawan during the clone wars,.
In fact he admitted that he screwed up the prequels and missed out half the story that needed to be told. And that's because, rather than it being the planned out world building masterclass that fans pretend to themselves that it is, he was making up the prequels as he went along. When it came time to write Anakin's turn to the darkside he realised that all the motives that he wanted to give him would either contradict things said in the previous films, our would have required him to set them up in the previous two films. Instead we got "I'm not a master? That's outrageous and it's unfair." and staring out of a window for a few minutes.
I don't either - I have liked some comics and books over the years - I do mind when they simply refuse to admit it's problems and inconsistencies or inject it into a movie convo.
This show came out FIVE YEARS after the last prequel, I can't believe Lucas or Filoni thought it was a smart idea for something that just clearly didn't happen in the movies to exist in the show. Same for Dooku fighting Anakin in this show. Just careless.
The Clone Wars is meant to make up for the failure of the prequel trilogy. The fans still fawned the conclusion of Episode III, even though Lucas himself recognised that they generally hated the prequels. So as far as George is concerned, the first half of his "complete saga" is The Clone Wars show + Revenge Of The Sith.
shareShow me evidence from the movies Anakin didn't have an apprentice between eps. II and III.
shareYou prove something exists, not that it doesn't.
shareThat doesn't make any sense. You can't show evidence because there isn't any, and therefore movies don't contradict Anakin having a padawan during the Clone Wars (which is SW canon as it has been mentioned already), whether you like it or not.
shareShow evidence from the movies that Anakin did not have an apprentice.
shareAhsoka actually felt like herself in the latest ep. That was nice. But somehow Cad came across as more cartoon than his cartoon counterpart. I personally have no desire for a live action version of Clone Wars, but that seems to be what we're gonna be getting.
shareWhy do you think she wasn't herself before? I'm not a Clone Wars guy and don't notice.
I liked his introduction here, but definitely roll my eyes at how bad Filoni forces this.
Like, Ahsoka has this kind of relaxed cool factor. Which I felt in this appearance, but it was missing in her Mando episodes. I don't know if she's already been shooting her episodes for her show at this point, but Rosario just looked much more comfortable in the role.
shareTo be fair, she's been through a lot of sh**. Surviving the Jedi purge (due to not being a Jedi partly, but still), having to live in hiding, finding out her former master turned into one of the most evil men in the galaxy, being killed/almost being killed by him, etc.
She would not be the "relaxed cool" character from Clone Wars. She was a kid then, innocent (until her framing). Even in Rebels, she was older, more somber.
Solid points for sure. I'm certainly nothing like the cool cucumber I used to be. I never watched Rebels so maybe that's part of my issue. One of the things I always loved about Clone Wars is it's the first time it actually made being a Jedi look like a lot of fun.
share"And what's wrong with that?"
You're not supposed to write off the main character and replace him with another show's, ffs
Imagine if Better Call Saul did it with Walter White? Do you think anyone would like it?
You're not wrong, but I have to admit the last 2 episodes are the best ones.
shareWell, he killed Cad Bane in the finale, so at least he is not into keeping them around for too long
share
True, but they're also creating a whole show based on Rosario Dawson's Ahsoka Tano and the rumors abound that they're casting Thrawn and Ezra Bridger.
But to kuatorises's original point, I haven't seen very many of any of the animated series, canon or pre-canon, so the "shoehorning" doesn't bother me as long as each of the live action versions stand on their own.
I have to say, none of it bothered me at all.
For example, when Bo Katan took off her helmet it was clear she was SOMEbody because (A) it was Katee Sackhoff and (B) the way the camera shot her made it clear her face was important. Same with Cad Bane. But I had no idea who these people actually were until I looked them up online.
I thought this was even more true of Ahsoka Tano. I had no idea she existed before Bo Katan mentioned her, much less her role as Anakin's padawan. And it didn't matter to me. She's clearly a badass who has some mastery of the force and knows Vader was Anakin. And that's all I needed to know for the story.
Point being, I think it can only bother you if you look to be bothered by it. At no point did I feel I HAD to know these characters from the cartoons in order to enjoy them in these shows.
Also, I'm not sure (and I don't care enough to go look it up) how much of these characters' histories are truly canon. Didn't the earlier Clone Wars series get tossed into the "Legends" trashbin? Seems to me Filoni isn't shoehorning so much as cherry-picking.
Cad Bane alone doesn't bug me. Frankly, he's pretty damn cool. But all of it together is just so forced at times.
sharekind of?
share