…movies about blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people to other countries to parallel what is happening amongst blacks today, especially in major urban areas?
It’s always films and shows about how whites are the bad guys.
You know the Left hast to keep pushing that narrative. A pity they never mentioned that the first court case involving a slave included a black owner.
shareYou should stop saying "we" and say "I" instead.
There are those films out there. Why are you not watching them?
For example, Roots (2016) depicts African black people capturing other blacks and selling/trading them into slavery.
Hey look. There’s one.
shareWhy were you unaware of this one? It is a remake of a TV series based upon a popular novel. If you can't be bothered to look, then why ask?
Why not tell the truth instead of saying "always films and shows about how whites are the bad guys"? Not everyone has their head in the sand on this forum.
Are there more examples? Keep that poisonous attitude too- I get off on it.
shareAlso, reading again what was written here, the OP asked about movies that are about the significant roles blacks played in slavery, not films that had a mention or two of it. We are looking for films that directly and expressly address the horrors that blacks inflicted on their own kind during the slave trades. I admit I am unaware of any that fit this description. Please help us out here.
shareSure, if you can explain why moving goalposts is not dishonest.
I've encountered people like you on this forum before. It is routine for some people to make a claim, be shown they are wrong, then claim they meant something else.
You decided that "movies about blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people to other countries" actually meant "movies that are about the significant roles blacks played in slavery". I get tired of this kind of dishonesty at times. This is one of those times.
Who is this "we" you speak of?
What is helping you out going to do for anyone? If I make an effort, chances are you will just move the goalposts again to entertain yourself.
Are you adverse to doing any research at all? Do you know how to use an internet search engine? It really is as simple as searching for key words like slavery and africa. It is really annoying that you are trying to convince people that you are so helpless.
I used different wording, so that you might better understand the question being posed. Trying to worm your way out of it by false claims of dishonesty is yourself and only yourself being dishonest.
Now cut the lies and list the movies.
OP: "…movies about blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people to other countries"
Notice he did not ask for movies that include scenes portraying the facts in this situation, but movies about the situation of blacks enslaving other blacks and selling their own people to other countries. Your response as I see it is full of dishonesty about the words of our OP here as well as my own.
To the OP: please clarify whether or not I am reading your question correctly or if this gentleman is right in assuming you meant cameo appearances of the subject.
Also your embarrassing display there can be read as you not knowing any films at all on this subject. Put up or shutup, but quit embarrassing yourself.
shareBe a big girl now and stop asking people to hold your hand. We are surfing the same internet.
You can also stop being an idle liberal marxist loafer who wants everything handed to her on a platter.
Me offering an example of "blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people" does not make me obligated to do anything else at all.
Your lack of ability or motivation does not constitute a personal problem for me. But keep on whining if it makes you feel better. As far as I know, this is still allowed on moviechat.
Those that can do, those that can't just insult their superiors. Next time don't make claims that you cannot support with reality. Also learning to say you don't know something makes way for new knowledge. Try to learn from this- if you stick to facts and the truth you never have to be this embarrassed again.
shareI claimed that Roots (2016) is a remake. What did I get wrong? Perhaps you can quote the claim I made that I am not supporting?
shareOK, do you feel it is an accurate description then that, when asked what the movie "Roots" is about, the answer is "It's a movie about blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people to other countries"?
You just may, as it would help your position, but I do not.
I responded to this, "Notice how we never see……movies about blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people to other countries..."
I provided a link to show that there was a film or show that was about blacks enslaving their own people. That was it. The original claim was very broad. It was also rather foolish. Why would anyone on a movie forum claim to never see something that was so common in human history, depicted on film?
Yes, what I said was accurate considering the original claim was so broad. Are you going to take your own advice and stick to the facts?
I don't know what that last line means. If you think by what we have seen in this argument that my own scruples are faulty then I might ask you to look at your own contributions and take the log out of your eye first that you might see better to help me remove the splinter from my own.
Here is a description found on IMDB of the original mini-series -
"A saga of African-American life, based on Alex Haley's family history. Kunta Kinte is abducted from his African village, sold into slavery, and taken to America. He makes several escape attempts until he is finally caught and maimed. He marries Bell, his plantation's cook, and they have a daughter, Kizzy, who is eventually sold away from them. Kizzy has a son by her new master, and the boy grows up to become Chicken George. He's a legendary cock fighter who leads his family into freedom. Throughout the series, the family observes notable events in U.S. history, such as the Revolutionary and Civil Wars, slave uprisings, and emancipation."
—Eric Sorensen
I think this is a fair description. I see that in the description, even one this short, includes the fact that Kunta Kinte was abducted and sold by his countrymen. That said, the entirety of it is encapsulated in the first sentence of the story line, with a considerable amount of story line that came after- the majority. Do you disagree with this assessment? Can you provide a published synopsis that states that the primary aspect of the film is Kunta Kinte being abducted and sold into slavery?
To help you out look for words like this: 'A representation of the circumstances in Africa as it pertains to slave acquisition and trade'.
God bless
You can move goalposts, good for you.
Are you going to link to films or programs about blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people to other countries? If not, then why ware you posting here?
This false accusation again? Why don't you accuse me of a plot to kill the Pope next time- I really need some entertainment, and your shtick is getting boring. Or is that your method? I digress...
The OP asked for "movies about blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people to other countries". I see that your focus has meandered but mine has not- not even a little. My words have all been to prove that I am not aware of any films that fit the criteria described by our wonderful OP here, despite your suggestion. Discussions and arguments, if done correctly, arrive at new understandings, which are then built upon with established fact or agreed-upon points, which become new building blocks for the discussion/argument. This is a natural progression of the transfer of information- it is not moving goal posts. I think the problem here is that a) you have no argument, and b) you don't understand the logical fallacy of "moving goalposts".
It seems to follow that if a movie is about a specific topic, that when a person that has seen the film is asked the question,"What's the movie about?" If the answer is, "It's about blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people to other countries."- then Eureka (for our purposes here)! If the part in question is only mentioned in a synopsis and the watcher and others like him/her describe the film to be primarily about the experience after leaving Africa, then by definition the film is not about blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people to other countries.
You must accuse your discussion partner of 'moving goalposts' every response you make so long as your discussion partner is competent in any way. It seems to be your special manner of conceding a point.
Frankly a “movie about blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people” doesn’t sound like anything anyone would want to see. Plenty of movies portray things like black on black violence and other negatives so, even if OP is right I’m not thinking its some concerted effort to propagandize to black people that the race is full of angels
shareI don't assume to know the minds of others, but the OP seems to be interested in it, then the discussion commenced.
shareI don't think jk90us is interested in seeing anything about blacks selling blacks into slavery. Or else he would have just looked for and found what he wanted to see.
But he is accusing other of not seeing those films. That is wrong.
We actually don't care what you think- what can you prove?
shareAlso, for the edification of Mr. Ranb here and others that might require it, you have just utilized the logical fallacy known as "moving goalposts", only for real this time. The discussion here is about "movies about blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people to other countries". It is not about potential public interest in such a film. You're trying to shift the argument to be about interest in the film rather than "movies about blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people to other countries".
shareI wasn’t debating with you or anyone else. I couldn’t give a shit less about anyone’s goalposts because I’m not kicking field goals. Oh, and every conversation on the internet doesn’t have to comport with the Queen’s Standard Parliamentary Debate Regulations
shareEspecially not on the internet- that's a given, but you did answer in a line of debate- take a look, and to expect something other than debate is fooling one's self. It's similar to jumping in a boxing ring during a fight and being surprised when you get hit.
Please be sure to pick up your attitude on the way out.
Yes your logical fallacy routine and Eric Sorensen quotes are just like being in the UFC Octagon there Rhonda Rousey.
shareHad to look him up. This is a modern evil- attempts to categorize humans to make it easier to dismiss them. Now I'm this other guy, who I assume you dislike. Makes it easier to be rude to me, but like you suggested earlier freedom is such on the interwebby that you don't need anything but a resentment to be rude on the internet. Of course I never claimed to be this guy or Rousey, nor did I draw any comparisons to them but what does that matter? It's the interwebby!
BTW FYI whatever Rousey is now considered to be a one-dimensional fighter and struggles to gain the respect of real MMA fans. In comparison to today's female fighters she was one-dimensional, but more than that her absolute inability to defend herself against the new breed, and the particularly embarrassing manner in which she was dethroned doesn't help her cause. Neither did her attitude, as a successful fighter or defeated fighter. I'm very happy the disrespect she brought to women's MMA did not stick.
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God bless.
shareNot a false accusation.
Are you really trying to prove a negative?
Why are you not aware of films about blacks selling blacks into slavery? Have you looked?
Prove it then. Show me where I have deviated from looking for "movies about blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people to other countries."
shareI saw Roots. Also read the novel. Great show and book.
But the entire focus was on whites enslaving and mistreating blacks. The blacks enslaving blacks was only a very brief mention.
Why is a brief mention not enough? There are other films or shows that depict what you want to see. They are not hard to find, but I suspect that you will object to anything I post as not good enough.
It seems that you are unwilling to put any effort into to searching the internet for any film that depicts blacks selling blacks into slavery. I think you're trolling.
"Why is a brief mention not enough?"
In this conversation it is not what the OP asked for.
OP asked for "movies about blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people to other countries". Very broad if you ask me. I say it is what the OP asked for.
shareThe why didn't you answer my previous questions designed to make it clear whether or not that film is indeed a movie "about blacks in Africa enslaving and selling their own people to other countries "? I don't see you as using conversation for it's intended purpose, ostensibly you try to get some sort of thrill mistreating others with the little knowledge you gained before you dropped out of Critical Thinking.
share"...I suspect that you will object to anything I post as not good enough."
You've defeated yourself here, and made whatever argument you may have had irrelevant. Your own fear keeps you from arguing. It seems to stem from the idea that you have labeled others have having less honestly than yourself, likely because it helps to maintain your image of yourself. This is a logical fallacy known as the "Slothful Induction Fallacy.". This "fallacy concerns situations in which a person fails or refuses to reach the most obvious conclusion that should be reached based on the abundance of evidence available on the subject."
https://rhetoricmediaciviclife.blogspot.com/2017/02/the-slothful-induction-fallacyis-one.html
LMAO...LOOK WHAT THE "SLOW ONE" TYPED UP...MIRROR MIRROR,HUH?🙂
shareJeez.. these Alt-Reich boys are really all over the place with their rhetoric. "Notice how we never see..." yet you literally just made a post on the Woman King page, a fictional movie about the Dahomey who were among the worst African slave trade collaborators which the film addresses but was still heavily criticized for depicting them in fictionalized heroic light. Also pointing out that a small number of Africans who collaborated with Europeans during the trans Atlantic slave trade is a very old & very weak white supremacist talking point, which they think reduces their culpability of purpotrating a centuries long holocaust that was chattel slavery. It's literally as ridiculous as pointing out that there were Jewish collaborators during the WWII holocaust as an argument to let the Nazis off the hook.
shareI believe it can be inferred that the OP meant a fact-based film on the subject. While I have not seen this tripe, from the reviews I've read I would not be surprised to find it as a Disney Musical on Ice at some point in the near future, with our hero King Woman aghast at the White Meanies.
Coming to an ice rink near you.
When did you get your education? 1984? A few things have come to light since then. One of the things we aught to recognize is that if the involvement of black slave traders is not covered often in film or print, then that vacuum will be filled with misdirected blame, such as on whites, like you've done here.
The jewish and muslim slave trades operated for thousands of years, and the largest role Europeans played in it was as slaves themselves.
"Jeez.. these Alt-Reich boys are really all over the place with their rhetoric."
Wow that's quite the accusation, which I have no doubt that you have proof of. Please provide it.
"Also pointing out that a small number of Africans who collaborated with Europeans during the trans Atlantic slave trade is a very old & very weak white supremacist talking point..."
Can't wait for that evidence of Nazism, but what we see in this quote is a logical fallacy called Poisoning the Well. What is important is the veracity of the argument.
"It's literally as ridiculous as pointing out that there were Jewish collaborators during the WWII holocaust as an argument to let the Nazis off the hook."
More of the same well poisoning, but is their claim true? Were jews involved?
It would just be fiction anyway, wouldn't it? Since Africans never enslaved Africans to begin with, right?
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