I think I'm going to need to watch this version again at some point to reassess, but I disliked it when I saw it yesterday at the movies.
I just watched a clip on youtube with scenes of some of the different Rochesters and Janes (not including 2011) set to music so you couldn't hear the dialogue and I thought they all pretty much did a good job of expressing emotion in their faces. Then I watched one of Mia and Fassbender and actually, he was good, but she was so flat and sullen looking (for the most part). I don't think she captured the essence of the character at all except for looking suitably plain and youthful.
I know other people have said the same but I'd be interested to know if you did like her performance, why?
I liked Mia Wasikowska in this. I first saw her in Alice in Wonderland, and I thought she was all right. I didn't think she was great, not bad. But then in this, she really played Jane well, I thought. Mia's pretty, but she's very plain looking, which Jane is, so she fitted this character in that way, and her demeanor I thought fit the character well also. Her acting I thought was very good. Period films can be tricky to act it. Either you do very well, or you do God awful. I'd say both her and Michael Fassbender did fantastic.
It's like being inside a dream or something.. There's truth, but no logic.
One of my favourite scenes is Jane's conversation with St. John about teaching at the rural school and saving her talents for later. One of the few moments when I liked the character that Mia Wasikowska portrayed and when her Jane is true to the positive character of the book. This scene shows that Mia Wasikowska is not incapable of being relaxed and responsive. Sadly in most of the scenes with Rochester her face is an impenetrable mask. With the result that she seemed to have better chemistry with everybody else than with Rochester.
Sadly in most of the scenes with Rochester her face is an impenetrable mask. With the result that she seemed to have better chemistry with everybody else than with Rochester.
I think I can understand why you got this impression, but I watched some of the scenes like a hundred times (in order to make some videos) and in my opinion in most of the scenes she does a great job. There are some scenes where her face doesn't change much, I know, but I have noticed that most people are like that, they don't usually show what they are thinking. You may argue that in a motion picture an actor should always show what is inside the character's mind, but I would disagree because, imho, this doesn't suit Jane. And it wouldn't make the proposal scene emotional at all if she acted like that all of the time.
Some scenes where she and Rochester are perfect: a) the meeting, where she doesn't show any fear of him even though he is a stranger, but she keeps a distance, like all girls her age and position would do; b) the first conversation when he asks her about her drawings and the green men; c) before Mason arrives and she is depressed; d) when she asks for her money, that part when she says he must not be trusted; e) the proposal scene and the kiss on the stairs; f) the ending, that adorable reunion, so beautiful! g) and the best, the begging scene:
^ This part of the movie is on YouTube with Spanish subtitles, the best scene of the movie and the best Jane Eyre scene adapted to the screen ever, I think.
Oh, and I forgot the deleted scene, you can find it on YouTube, when she asks him for an explanation after Bertha ripped the veil.
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Mia was flawless. Her Jane posseses intelligence, inner strength in spades (without having to flaunt it), poise and a passionate heart. She is well matched with Michael Fassbender's Rochester. Their chemistry knocks my socks off.
Loved her & this is my ultimate 'Jane Eyre' adaptation.
I thought Mia gave a great performance - she really captured the Jane of the novel for me and her interaction with Michael was spot on too . And in my opinion she showed the development of Janes character/ personality well - the grave, shy and quiet governess growing in confidence and inner joy. I wouldn't say it was flawless but then I haven't seen too many perfect performances ( though Cate Blanchett in the fist Elizabeth came pretty close for me). I certainly didn't find it wooden or dimensional as some have - but then one man's understated, nuanced peformance is another mans wooden one.
To be perfectly honest, I was extremely, extremely surprised at her excellent performance as Jane. I was really worried she would disappoint since I had only seen her in "Alice in Wonderland" and I thought her acting in that film (which I genereally didn't like) was very wooden and simply boring.
She made a great Jane though. I guess she might be best suited for playing quiet, restrained types with an INTERNAL passion.
I didn't imagine her to be all smiley and outwardly fiery in the book, either.
I think Mia was good in an understated way, also she is a 'plain jane' without the make up. Only thing any Jane has yet to be in any of the productions is 'small'. I think the smallest was Joan Fontaine at 5ft 3 which now is just under the average British female height of 5ft 4. I would have thought when the book was wrote Jane would have been under 5ft, would be nice to see if its done again a genuine 'petite' person is cast.
I found Mia's mode of acting and interpreting Jane's charactor a little difficult to understand and appreciate. After watching this version several times I came to the conclusion that it was simply her way of doing it. I certainly do not find her unattracive:I could not call her "plain Jane" Producers find it quite difficult to have a heroine who is other than a good looker.Their brains appear to "lock on" to "she's gotta be pretty" even if she was never intended to be.
As to height, we mustn't make the mistake of thinking Victorian ladies crept around like a bunch of hobbits. The average height of a Victorian woman was 5'2". Queen Victoria herself was 4'11" but was regarded as "short". I am not aware of Zelah Clarke's height(1983) but I imagine she is "petite".
When we visit Victorian and Edwardian homes we can be struck (sometimes literally) by the lowness of ceilings and doorways but this was to keep heat in and cold out.Beds too, seem short by our standards, but Victorians did not sprawl all over beds as we do but slept well supported by bolsters and tiers of pillows which kept them more in a somewhat upright position. (my gran was still sleeping like this in the 60's)
I found Mia's mode of acting and interpreting Jane's charactor a little difficult to understand and appreciate. After watching this version several times I came to the conclusion that it was simply her way of doing it. I certainly do not find her unattracive:I could not call her "plain Jane" Producers find it quite difficult to have a heroine who is other than a good looker.Their brains appear to "lock on" to "she's gotta be pretty" even if she was never intended to be.
As to height, we mustn't make the mistake of thinking Victorian ladies crept around like a bunch of hobbits. The average height of a Victorian woman was 5'2". Queen Victoria herself was 4'11" but was regarded as "short". I am not aware of Zelah Clarke's height(1983)but I imagine she is "petite".
When we visit Victorian and Edwardian homes we can be struck (sometimes literally) by the lowness of ceilings and doorways but this was to keep heat in and cold out. Beds too, seem short by our standards, but Victorians did not sprawl all over beds as we do but slept well supported by bolsters and tiers of pillows which kept them more in a somewhat upright position. (my gran was still sleeping like this in the 60's)
Very subtle young actress. It was a very different take on Jane, but I grew to love her. I say this even though I loved Ruth Wilson and Samantha Morton in the earlier adaptations. Mia comes across as incredibly plain at first. Then as she grows on one, she becomes almost beautiful. .
I agree with the comments made by wickedialogue (Sun Sep 18 2011) and the later comments made by the same editor and supegran.
I was disappointed in the range of emotion that Mia displayed. Her reaction towards the warmth of the housekeeper was minimal. Her surprise at her new bedroom was minimal. Her pleasure (or otherwise) at Adelle's performance was so neutral as to be completely dispiriting. Her reaction at meeting Adelle's maid, about her own age, was non-existent. Her reaction to finding the bedroom curtains alight was so slow it was painful. Her manner of teaching her charming little pupil was so lacking in any enthusiasm that it is small wonder the child advanced at all. She showed not the tiniest spark of positive emotion at any time in the entire performance: not of joy, not of pleasure, not of curiosity, not of enthusiasm, not of love.
So what did she do?
She threw herself into the role in a sullen and embittered manner that denied the true spirit of the girl.
I think that one of the serious problems of the entire movie was that no-one had caught on to the way in which Mia Wasikowska was reading the script, well enough to correct her reading of it.
Her Jane Eyre was a belligerent leftwing feminist working-class girl of the 21th century saying "Don't put ME down! I'm as good as you are!"
Wasikowska never realised Jane Eyre as a pioneering heroine who was creating a new order, not simply repeating slogans that others had already used.
When Jane Eyre tells Rochester that she might be poor and plain, but she is not without feeling, she is not speaking insolently. She is discovering the truth of Equality, and sharing it with him. She knows in her heart, that they are equals, and she wants him to fully know it, as well. Not because he is her boss, and he is putting her down, but because he is the man she loves and she wants him to grow in this understanding, whether she shares her life with him, or not.
This, for a servant, is an unusual discovery. The servant/master order had prevailed for a very long time, and was so entrenched that it took the likes of Charlotte Bronte to challenge it.
Mia Wasikowska doesn't understand this. Her Jane Eyre sounds wounded, sullen, resentful, and insubordinate, but not challenging.
I cannot criticise Mia Wasikowska for not attempting to express depth and meaning in her part. But her reading of the character is very poor indeed, and since she is a young person, the director should have talked her through it, very much better!
"Wounded, sullen, resentful, and insubordinate" just about sums up Mia's portrayal, with very little variation. I don't know who is to blame for this interpretation - Mia herself, or the director. However, there is a sheen of darkness and misery over the entire production, that I feel it must be part of the director's vision. I don't share that vision. Mine is more akin to yours: "joy..pleasure..enthusiasm..love".
I've been reading your comments about JE96. Was Gainsbourg your favourite Jane?
- What kind of sycophant are you? - What kind of sycophant would you like me to be?
At this point, Gainsbourg IS my favourite Jane, but I haven't watched any other versions, apart from these two, for a very long time.
I really enjoyed William Hurt's portrayal of Rochester, particularly the way in which he provokes and then tries to come to terms with the outspoken comments and reflections of his employed governess.
It's been a while since I watched 1996, to be honest, and I forget the interaction between Jane and Rochester in that version. I do remember being dissatisfied with Hurt's depressed and melancholy Rochester.
Have you seen my personal favourite - 2006?
- What kind of sycophant are you? - What kind of sycophant would you like me to be?
It's been a while since I watched 1996, to be honest, and I forget the interaction between Jane and Rochester in that version. I do remember being dissatisfied with Hurt's depressed and melancholy Rochester.
I watched 1996 recently, then 1997 again, then 1944 again. Charlotte Gainsbourg, together with Samantha Morton, are my second favorite "Janes", I wish Charlotte had shown some things Morton showed, and that she looked more like Jane. Charlotte is one of my fave actresses*, I think she is really fantastic, but William Hurt was totally miscast. The only thing good I can think is that he did not try to overact to compensate it. There were some few scenes where his Rochester was right, I think, two scenes made me smile, I remember. I like the Zeffirelli's movie but the third part of the film is so rushed. It was the first adaptation I could get since reading the book and I was enjoying Jane's childhood, the wonderful score - truly beautiful - the expected beauty of Zeffirelli's movies, images are correct, but in the end it did not work. Bertha puts fire on the house at the same time Jane is leaving, Bertha looks like a monster - something I do not like in adaptations - and poor Grace Poole dies with her. The very end, when they meet, is adequate, but too formal. Overall I think 1996 is my third best adaptation, after 2011 and 1997 (almost tied with 1996).
*one question, do we still use the word actress or actresses? I now read actor regarding female or male, is that right? Should I say "one of my fave actors"?
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Too subdued. She didn't have the spunk of Zelah Clarke from the 1983 BBC version. I had to turn on the subtitles just to figure out what she was saying.