I think I'm going to need to watch this version again at some point to reassess, but I disliked it when I saw it yesterday at the movies.
I just watched a clip on youtube with scenes of some of the different Rochesters and Janes (not including 2011) set to music so you couldn't hear the dialogue and I thought they all pretty much did a good job of expressing emotion in their faces. Then I watched one of Mia and Fassbender and actually, he was good, but she was so flat and sullen looking (for the most part). I don't think she captured the essence of the character at all except for looking suitably plain and youthful.
I know other people have said the same but I'd be interested to know if you did like her performance, why?
I really liked Mia in this - for me it was subtle but still very moving portrayal - she really captured the Jane of my imagination. I thought she showed both Janes underlying courage and moral strength and her growing attraction to Rochester and the accompanying confusion it brings her really well. And I don't think I'm being fanciful here - she seems to develop an inner glow as their relationship unfolds.
It is an understated and nuanced performance, but in my view at least, a far from wooden one.
There are a scenes where her facial expressions speak volumes - one example is when she is on her own after the "I would do anything for you". And she is wonderful and totally beleivable in the scene where he is begging her to stay.
And finally - the sexual tension between them may also be subtle but it is definately there.
maharani: Her performance was to me the single biggest detractor in the film. I was totally unfamiliar with Fassbender until I saw this, but the challenges of the time and script for MW were beyond her abilities. Bronte's Jane experiences moments of exquisite happiness, but you would never know it from this film. Had she had more range of expression, less timidity emotionally (more like the wonderful young Jane in this production)this may have been quite a triumph.
As to the comment by britlover on the begging scene: That whole scene suspends belief because it was preceded by so little interaction. Whether the actors handled it masterfully seems a moot point as it quite literally came out of nowhere. It was like the director said, OK, you've had a few scenes together and the proposal has occurred, Bertha revealed and NOW it is time to show the audience the strength of your emotions.
Very well put. I agree with your observations and especially the example you gave of after the “I’d do anything for you scene.” Mia’s body language and expression made me feel (or remember the feeling) of being a teenage girl experiencing that melting inside, weak-kneed sensation of new love. Another scene I loved was Mia sneaking a peek at Michael as he dressed after the fire (and who wouldn’t!). Again, it captures the sense of Jane’s growing sexual attraction to Rochester, as well as her youth and vulnerability.
The visual images tell much of the story. Jane and Edward’s engagement is portrayed against a backdrop of flowering cherry trees. Mia’s face transmits Jane’s radiant happiness and playfulness. Yet, the blossoms themselves presage what is to come (as much as the lightning struck chestnut under which Rochester proposes) as their symbolic meaning is the ephemeral nature of life.
I also think you see Jane’s growing maturity and self-possession through Mia's body language. In an interview, Fassbender remarked on the physical nature of Mia’s performance and attributed it to her background in dance.
~~maharani78 I think overall Mia gives a very strong performance. In my reading of the book she came closes to the Jane I've pictured. I thought her subtlety at the beginning of her interactions with Rochester were in keeping with her somewhat precarious position, as she is neither servant nor member of the family. I think when reading the book we get enthralled by the vividness of emotions expressed by Jane (First person narrative gives readers a sense of immediacy), her desires & her passionate nature are so striking & so original, we forget that she had to keep them in check for much of her early life. She is such a level headed person, she would never let her emotions jeopardize her position as governess. It's fitting that the outpouring of her pent up emotions are released after the proposal; that beaming smile she gives to Mrs.Fairfax after leaving R's arms was a great example. As far as chemistry between the leads, viewers either see it or they don't. Like beauty, it is very much in the eyes of the beholder.
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I know other people have said the same but I'd be interested to know if you did like her performance, why?
I never liked happy or melodramatic Janes. When I first read the book, a long time ago , I had this feeling of Jane inside me, it's hard to explain, it's a sum of all Janes in the novel (young Jane, pre-Rochester Jane and, finally, the Jane that hears Rochester call her name three times). I read the book eight times since then.
Before 2011, I think I liked Charlotte Gainsbourg as Jane, though there were times that her performance seemed a little off to me, but maybe the problem was that she didn't fit the role physically (too tall and dark), and her Rochester was another problem. CG was also the first "Jane" I saw. Many Janes after, Samantha Morton was physically better but she portrayed Jane in a strange way - for example, she is happy and laughing when teaching the girls in that small school, after she leaves Mr. Rochester.
I know that sometimes the way an actress looks doesn't mean a lot, but for Jane Eyre I was always looking for an actress who looked plain and young, because in my opinion these are important aspects in an adaptation of my fave novel. When I first saw the trailer I was very excited with both Jane and Rochester, for the first time. There was something about them, about the atmosphere of the movie, that attracted me.
I confess that I didn't like Mia W. in Alice, but I didn't like anyone in that movie, so I had some hope. Then, the reviews began to appear and some praised her in the movie and some said she was not good ("wooden" is now the favorite adjective used against Mia). So, I was nervous before watching the movie, I knew that if I didn't believe in her Jane it would ruin the movie for me (and I don't adore any other adaptation, only bits of this and that).
She conquered my heart. I could connect to her feelings and feel what she was feeling, I cried and cried. I already knew, by that time, that Fassbender was an incredible actor, but I was surprised to see that she is as good as he is, and their scenes together touched my heart.
It's hard to explain because many people think she can't show her emotions, but I think it's the contrary. Because she is introspective, like Jane, when she finally shows her emotions, I feel what she feels and it looks natural and true.
And to me, Jane is introspective, since the beginning, that's why she can't get along with the Reeds, and even Bessie can't understand her. She has fire and passion inside her, not outside. This is very difficult to transmit, and I understand when people don't get it. I am happy to say that I "get" her Jane and the first time I saw it, I saw it with a bad quality so when I could see it with a better quality, I was even more enthralled by her performance. Subtle, yes, but wonderful.
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One perfect example of her onscreen subtlety and letting her eyes do the talking is during the first time Rochester grills her in the fireside chat about waiting for "her people" on the lane. After her reply, her face seems to remain still but you can see an ever-so-brief look of triumph in her eyes. Brilliant.
Exactly - the way she conveys an introspective nature was subtle and perfectly done. But I can see how that might run the risk of being interpreted as flat or boring.
I agree with others that thought Mia portrayed Jane the way we imagined her while reading the novel - genuine, vulnerable, with an unwavering moral core.
I disagree with you. It wasn't "introspection" that drove Jane Eyre. It was tremendous courage in the face of adversity. It was the sort of blazing courage that could challenge her bullying cousin, her aunt and the school governor. She wasn't subtle! She was every bit as intelligent and outspoken as Lizzie Bennet, but unlike Lizzie, was incapable of playing games with words or responding with guile.
I don't think Mia had any real understanding of the fact that Charlotte Bronte and her heroine were the pioneers of women's liberation. A person who behaved the way that Mia's Jane behaved would not have been listened to; she would simply have been dismissed for insubordination. She showed resentment where she should have shown courage.
As for Fassbender- his Rochester was a total jerk!
Fassbender is the best Rochester so far. Perfection.
Mia is a wonderful Jane and yes, she understands the character much better than you. She said that if Jane lived in our time she would be in the Congress, making laws.
Jane has nothing, absolutely nothing in common with Lizzie Bennet. She was not outspoken, and only with Rochester she could say things that otherwise would be buried inside her. This was the trick that connected them, he made her speak up, and bloom. She made him less bitter and more confident. She was outspoken once, with her aunt, and then only with Rochester. She knew her place.
And Charlotte Brontë had no idea of being a pioneer of women's liberation! Go read at least one of her biographies and you will find out that all Brontë sisters were horrified with the problems their work caused, they did not know they were writing something "forbidden". Charlotte even apologyzed for her sister Emily's work, trying to make the world see Emily as she was, homely, not like people think she was, at the time.
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I was wondering if someone was going to invoke the "subtly introspective character" defense for Wasikowska's cold and tentative performance. This is not the Jane of the book and this is not the Jane that the story needs her to be for it to be a coherent narrative. Any production of Eyre will live and die with the actress who plays Jane, and her personality will naturally overshadow the whole thing. This movie is likewise cold and tentative, and as Mia runs through the character moments as they were dictated by the book instead of allowing them to flow from the screen naturally, so the movie does also with the plot.
The argument that she has a "fire and passion inside her, not outside" is only effective if you assume that apart from the way the movie works in its own universe. There is very little hint that we are allowed to see that this is the case. Mia plays her as a modern pop-psychological case-worker-defined product of an abusive home, with the self-doubt and self-abnegation of a girl who's been knocked down her entire life and has learned to hide her light under a bushel as a survival mechanism. No doubt many modern girls who have grown up feeling wronged somehow will find a kindred spirit in this interpretation. But this isn't the Jane that the story demands. There are key moments missing from the movie, such as how the schoolmaster is exposed for his cruelty, that would have got in the way of Mia's kicked-puppy portrayal. I can only assume that either the movie was edited around Mia's unfortunate stone face, showing only the moments that justify it, which is admirable if misguided, or else the director intended her to be this way from the beginning, which is sort of a revisionist Sofia-Coppola-style update of the story, without the same artistry or lingering emotional power. Either way, the chemistry between her and every other character is overwhelmed by aloofness, making their reactions to her more of a dramatic necessity rather than organically believable. Even then, if the chemistry between Jane and Rochester is palpable and transcendent, it would have saved the movie. Alas, no. And while even this might be forgivable in an eye-candy production, in this bleakly emotionless production, there is very little humanity to hold onto as a result.
The instrument has yet to be invented that can measure my indifference to that remark.
Just goes to show you how differently one person perceives from another - that's how we're made, I guess. I, and many others, found this film to be deeply emotional, filled with humanity - I would say spiritual.
Someone like me returns to this movie for multiple viewings - it's kind of like a re-charge to the soul.
No. It isn't. A book and a movie are two different narrative artifacts. But if you create one from the other, you should understand why things happen the way they do so you don't introduce narrative fallacies, like deus ex machina or melodrama.
Remove the fire from Jane's personality and the resulting narrative is "Abused girl wins the lottery". Also known as Cinderella, a one-dimensional story if there ever was one. If that's your thing, then fine. Go with it. I'm glad when any art can speak to and inspire anyone. It's what art is for. But you should realize from which level you're being spoken to and from which level you're being inspired.
The instrument has yet to be invented that can measure my indifference to that remark.
Remove the fire from Jane's personality and the resulting narrative is "Abused girl wins the lottery". Also known as Cinderella, a one-dimensional story if there ever was one. If that's your thing, then fine. Go with it.
That's sophistry. A "one-dimensional story" clearly is not "her thing." In fact, her description demonstrates that she considers the film the opposite of one-dimensional: "I find it the best adaptation, with a lot of humanity and emotions."
This is a very long thread, with lots of different opinions expressed, many of them quite positive about the movie and Mia Wasikowska's performance. It's fine to disagree with that perspective, but it's pointless to argue that anyone whose judgments differ from yours must have unrefined, simplistic tastes.
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Well, since this is a thread about how well Mia Wasikowska acts in the movie, I'm saying that how well she did may depend on what you think the movie is about. If you believe that Jane Eyre is a victim/beneficiary of fate, then she probably portrays this very well. I personally don't think the narrative holds together thematically if this is the case, but there are worse things. If you believe that Jane Eyre is the author of her own fate, for good or ill, then you might -- and I do -- feel that very little in the movie was carried off very well, and this includes her performance. We can agree to disagree, but I think calling a thematic critique mere "sophistry" is unfair. If you feel that this adaptation was full of humanity and emotional truth, then I don't share your opinion of what that phrase means. But I don't begrudge anyone else their opinion. I apologize for being long-winded.
The instrument has yet to be invented that can measure my indifference to that remark.
If you believe that Jane Eyre is a victim/beneficiary of fate
I know that LifeVsArt and Capitolina know and love the book and certainly don't believe that Jane was a victim, but, to those not familiar with the book, that is how this film can make her appear.
Leaving aside Mia's interpretation (which I've spoken about at length and won't repeat myself!), I think what the film omits has the consequence of perpetuating the victim idea.
Here are some examples of what I mean:
At the film's end, Jane returns to Rochester. There is the briefest of dialogue and then...nothing. None of the book's 19 pages (or so) of sparkling exchange when Jane tries to make him jealous to provoke a reaction. This is role-reversal at its most delicious!
The near total omission of Grace Poole just makes Jane seem dim-witted - unquestioningly accepting all the weird goings-on. In the book, she fearlessly stands up to Grace Poole the morning after the first fire.
Etc.
I'll close now because these are old criticisms, but it was interesting that you made those comments, stills-6.
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I think calling a thematic critique mere "sophistry" is unfair.
Obviously, I did not describe your "thematic critique" itself as sophistry. But what you did with your critique was create an illegitimate argument:
1. I think this Jane Eyre is one-dimensional. 2. Therefore, if you like this Jane Eyre, you must like one-dimensional stuff.
To wit: "Also known as Cinderella, a one-dimensional story if there ever was one. If that's your thing, then fine. Go with it. I'm glad when any art can speak to and inspire anyone. It's what art is for. But you should realize from which level you're being spoken to and from which level you're being inspired."
The comment about properly understanding the "level" of the film was particularly condescending, btw.
Here's the way your argument should have run, if you had been both respectful and logical:
1. I think this Jane Eyre is one-dimensional. 2. Therefore, if you like this Jane Eyre, you must disagree with me that it is one-dimensional. reply share
She could have played it with a bit more strength, but she still played it closest to how I pictured Jane Eyre. First of all, I've seen too many Jane Eyres where the actress was too old and doe eyed. Wasikowska was the right age, but at the same time was able to project a dignity and intelligence that the character needed.
Her subtlety works great because once it gets to the scene where she gives the "poor, obscure, plain and little" speech, it really stands out as her having a passionate moment after holding so much in.
And she has an interesting face that is incredible to watch and carry the story. You can see her uncertainty and confusion written across her face in the right parts.
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She was fantastic. After I saw Firelight (1996) I was kinda possessed by this kind of movies. Then I saw 1996 version of JE and I liked it. Gonna read the book.